Europe has reinvented itself a hub of tolerance and progressivism in the past 75 years but only after it pulled the world into the most destructive conflict in the history of the planet. A conflict that in part led to the creation of the modern state of Israel and the problems that we see in the ME today.
The problems we see are in the ME today are because of Islam, not because of the modern state of Israel. The Jews returned to their historical homeland, a homeland that existed millenia before the rise of Islam. I would like you to tell me why you think this is wrong?
Nothing you have written in this post reflects what I have written. What do you think I wrote?
Europeans killed Jews for centuries necessitating their need for a homeland as a refuge from persecution. Would you be honest enough to admit that the so called holier than thou west played its part in creating the problems in the ME?
Russians then Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews resulting in a need for a homeland. What's wrong with the premise of a homeland?
The problems we see are in the ME today are because of Islam, not because of the modern state of Israel. The Jews returned to their historical homeland, a homeland that existed millenia before the rise of Islam. I would like you to tell me why you think this is wrong?
Nothing you have written in this post reflects what I have written. What do you think I wrote?
Europeans killed Jews for centuries necessitating their need for a homeland as a refuge from persecution. Would you be honest enough to admit that the so called holier than thou west played its part in creating the problems in the ME?
Russians then Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews resulting in a need for a homeland. What's wrong with the premise of a homeland?
The persecution of Jews was much more extensive than just Russians and Nazis. It was continent wide over many centuries and they faced persecution even in places where they were very few in number: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_boycott
And I never said there was not a good reason for a Jewish homeland, in fact I completely understand the need for it so I don't know where you are getting that from tbh.
Nothing you have written in this post reflects what I have written. What do you think I wrote?
Europeans killed Jews for centuries necessitating their need for a homeland as a refuge from persecution. Would you be honest enough to admit that the so called holier than thou west played its part in creating the problems in the ME?
Russians then Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews resulting in a need for a homeland. What's wrong with the premise of a homeland?
The persecution of Jews was much more extensive than just Russians and Nazis. It was continent wide over many centuries and they faced persecution even in places where they were very few in number: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_boycott
And I never said there was not a good reason for a Jewish homeland, in fact I completely understand the need for it so I don't know where you are getting that from tbh.
You're using a 1000 year time frame for your persecution, are they persecuted in Europe now or are they persecuted in the ME now?
Russians then Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews resulting in a need for a homeland. What's wrong with the premise of a homeland?
The persecution of Jews was much more extensive than just Russians and Nazis. It was continent wide over many centuries and they faced persecution even in places where they were very few in number: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_boycott
And I never said there was not a good reason for a Jewish homeland, in fact I completely understand the need for it so I don't know where you are getting that from tbh.
You're using a 1000 year time frame for your persecution.
The persecution of Jews was much more extensive than just Russians and Nazis. It was continent wide over many centuries and they faced persecution even in places where they were very few in number: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_boycott
And I never said there was not a good reason for a Jewish homeland, in fact I completely understand the need for it so I don't know where you are getting that from tbh.
You're using a 1000 year time frame for your persecution.
Yes because that is the reality of the situation.
and what's the reality of the situation today?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:58 pm
by Line6 HXFX
I mean for me, I can see into the future, and the future is obviously abandon Israel (lets be honest..how on earth is it even sustainable, when you are hitting peak aparthied, its never good is it?) and move everyone to a state in the mid west or to states with low population density..so can I sell you on Montana, Wyoming, and North Dakota , which have relatively low population densities, highlighting their vast stretches of open land and rural landscapes.
These states are characterized by expansive wilderness areas and lower population numbers compared to more urbanized regions, making them ideal for relocation.
This is the shit we should be talking about, not who did what to who., when and why, and chucking fucking willy pete into areas with high civilian populations.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:00 pm
by David in Gwent
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:58 pm
I mean for me, I can see into the future, and the future is obviously abandon Israel (lets be honest..how on earth is it even sustainable, when you are hitting peak aparthied, its never good is it?) and move everyone to a state in the mid west or to states with low population density..so can I sell you on Montana, Wyoming, and North Dakota , which have relatively low population densities, highlighting their vast stretches of open land and rural landscapes.
These states are characterized by expansive wilderness areas and lower population numbers compared to more urbanized regions, making them ideal for relocation.
This is the shit we should be talking about, not who did what to who., when and why.
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Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:04 pm
by Sandstorm
Refry: too lazy to move to Cardiff.
Israelis: must move 6000 miles to Missouri
Do you judge the German people of today, like they are all nazis?
It wasn't just Nazis who killed Jews, they were killed throughout Europe over many centuries. Banished from Spain, France and England at various times.
It's the smug, self congratulatory nature of thinking that the west has superior values that grates.
You're absolutely right so yeah go ahead and turn Gaza into a multi storey car park.
It wasn't just Nazis who killed Jews, they were killed throughout Europe over many centuries. Banished from Spain, France and England at various times.
It's the smug, self congratulatory nature of thinking that the west has superior values that grates.
You're absolutely right so yeah go ahead and turn Gaza into a multi storey car park.
With dead civilians strewn around
Starting with the soon to come pictures of dead babies in incubators in Gaza, or ICU patients who stubbornly refused not to die when the machines keeping them alive have the leccie turn off ......
I'm sure DAC will explain how these infants were all part of the conspiracy to murder Jewish people, & thus only have themselves to blame.
You're absolutely right so yeah go ahead and turn Gaza into a multi storey car park.
With dead civilians strewn around
Starting with the soon to come pictures of dead babies in incubators in Gaza, or ICU patients who stubbornly refused not to die when the machines keeping them alive have the leccie turn off ......
I'm sure DAC will explain how these infants were all part of the conspiracy to murder Jewish people, & thus only have themselves to blame.
The kids aren't to blame, bless their hearts. The parents........
You're absolutely right so yeah go ahead and turn Gaza into a multi storey car park.
With dead civilians strewn around
Starting with the soon to come pictures of dead babies in incubators in Gaza, or ICU patients who stubbornly refused not to die when the machines keeping them alive have the leccie turn off ......
I'm sure DAC will explain how these infants were all part of the conspiracy to murder Jewish people, & thus only have themselves to blame.
I'm sure Foodie will explain why other Arab countries don't want to help the children in Palestine?
sefton wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:10 pm
I think that’s called ethnic cleaning.
What do you do Sefton. Do this for another 100 years? I think the chance was lost fir them to live side by side about 20/30 years ago. There is no going back that I can see. Thankfully I don't have to make the decisions and can just shite on here
The logical end point of this disaster of a thread really was someone suggesting genocide is the only option and doubling down when called out on it.
My god, the thread should be locked. Absolutely no good will come from posting on here for anyone.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:35 pm
by David in Gwent
Israel now has a Unity Government after inviting members of the opposition to join the current Government.
Let's hope, for the sake of the children of Gaza that Hamas finds it in itself to return all of the kidnapped children before it's too late. Military prisoners are one thing, toddlers without their parents is another.
sefton wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:10 pm
I think that’s called ethnic cleaning.
What do you do Sefton. Do this for another 100 years? I think the chance was lost fir them to live side by side about 20/30 years ago. There is no going back that I can see. Thankfully I don't have to make the decisions and can just shite on here
Global warming will make the whole of the Middle East uninhabitable shortly.
When the Israelis, Palestinians and assorted Arabs and Persians all go begging for a new homeland somewhere wetter…..I wonder who’ll want to help the whole barrel of lunatics?
sefton wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:10 pm
I think that’s called ethnic cleaning.
What do you do Sefton. Do this for another 100 years? I think the chance was lost fir them to live side by side about 20/30 years ago. There is no going back that I can see. Thankfully I don't have to make the decisions and can just shite on here
The logical end point of this disaster of a thread really was someone suggesting genocide is the only option and doubling down when called out on it.
My god, the thread should be locked. Absolutely no good will come from posting on here for anyone.
I'm going to suggest that you only think its a disaster of a thread because not everyone here is taking a knee and saying they stand with Palestine?
sefton wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:10 pm
I think that’s called ethnic cleaning.
What do you do Sefton. Do this for another 100 years? I think the chance was lost fir them to live side by side about 20/30 years ago. There is no going back that I can see. Thankfully I don't have to make the decisions and can just shite on here
Global warming will make the whole of the Middle East uninhabitable shortly.
When the Israelis, Palestinians and assorted Arabs and Persians all go begging for a new homeland somewhere wetter…..I wonder who’ll want to help the whole barrel of lunatics?
I vote it's Merseyside.
Global warming is a scam designed to make us poorer. Uk Net Zero is literally offshoring our carbon credits to China in order to tick a box.
What do you do Sefton. Do this for another 100 years? I think the chance was lost fir them to live side by side about 20/30 years ago. There is no going back that I can see. Thankfully I don't have to make the decisions and can just shite on here
Global warming will make the whole of the Middle East uninhabitable shortly.
When the Israelis, Palestinians and assorted Arabs and Persians all go begging for a new homeland somewhere wetter…..I wonder who’ll want to help the whole barrel of lunatics?
Are you volunteering. I think you are volunteering.
My land would be strictly secular with no religion allowed. Too much baggage.
Would any of the above want to stay?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:43 pm
by Raggs
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:41 pm
My land would be strictly secular with no religion allowed. Too much baggage.
Would any of the above want to stay?
Pretty much every kibbutznik I've met would be happy with that. As would plenty of other Israelis.
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:41 pm
My land would be strictly secular with no religion allowed. Too much baggage.
Would any of the above want to stay?
Pretty much every kibbutznik I've met would be happy with that. As would plenty of other Israelis.
Welcome Raggs.
I take it everyone would need to be quadrupled vaccinated and tripled boosted?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:53 pm
by Line6 HXFX
It's kind of striking that we have a nuclear power who are about to commit genocide on innocent people, and wipe out a quarter of the
the Palistinians in Gaza... and the media stories about Hamas beheading children and what not, are completely uncoroberated, and yet are being thrown around the planet as fact, at the speed of light.
The first job of journalists is to ensure accuracy, of their information, but apparently now is the not the time, now is the time to be in a complete misinformation festival, where anyone with a copy of word 96 can make up anything, and put it out there.
This story (the beheading off children) was reported to a journalist by a IDF soldier, and later was changed, backtracked etc by his officer commanding.
Lies travel around the world before the truth gets its shoes on.
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:53 pm
It's kind of striking that we have a nuclear power who are about to commit genocide on innocent people, and wipe out a quarter of the
the Palistinians in Gaza... and the media stories about Hamas beheading children and what not, are completely uncoroberated, and yet are being thrown around the planet as fact, at the speed of light.
The first job of journalists is to ensure accuracy, of their information, but apparently now is the not the time, now is the time to be in a complete misinformation festival, where anyone with a copy of word 96 can make up anything, and put it out there.
This story (the beheading off children) was reported to a journalist by a IDF soldier, and later was changed, backtracked etc by his officer commanding.
Lies travel around the world before the truth gets its shoes on.
I mean can you imagine honestly, putting out a bullshit story about 40 kids being beheaded..its gotta be up there spectacular tall tales like England are contenders because they beat Chile...problem is of course, these lies will cost tens of thousands of Palestinian lives, and allows Netenyahoo to portray the population of Gaza as just inhuman dogshit, that is more than deserving of having their lives extinguished....the bastards.
Not saying hamas are angels, but fuckingell mun.
Missouri invites and welcomes all non war crime commiting Israelies, for coffee and tea and a evening of dance and introduction, starting 7.00pm.
I take it everyone would need to be quadrupled vaccinated and tripled boosted?
You are such an enormous cunt
Well he said no religion, I knew this chap quite well in 2019 and Covid turned out to be his religion, sadly.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 pm
by Tichtheid
This thread has become about the personalities who are commenting and interpersonal rancour, rather than the topic.
From the short time he has been here David in Gwent has done this on every thread.
It was the very same with that Bimbo character.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 pm
by Line6 HXFX
Must be said, I am f'king crushing it on the kicking off in Israel thread.
It's like every point I am making is solid gold.
What tinderbox can I sort out next?
Global warming?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:37 pm
by David in Gwent
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 pm
This thread has become about the personalities who are commenting and interpersonal rancour, rather than the topic.
From the short time he has been here David in Gwent has done this on every thread.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 pm
This thread has become about the personalities who are commenting and interpersonal rancour, rather than the topic.
From the short time he has been here David in Gwent has done this on every thread.
It was the very same with that Bimbo character.
Laughs out Loud.
You've been seen for what you are.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:45 pm
by Line6 HXFX
I discovered a long long time ago, that I attract some serious full blown narcissists, tichthead.
They always appear angry on every given subject, they particularly lose it if you stand up for minorities, the unemployed, the oppressed, the disenfranchised, anyone or anything that requires compassion or empathy.
The way to deal, is just post more compassionate and empathetic stuff and just sit back.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 pm
This thread has become about the personalities who are commenting and interpersonal rancour, rather than the topic.
From the short time he has been here David in Gwent has done this on every thread.
Oh I've no doubt that you don't give a fuck, that is why your behaviour is as it is on here.
More people will see you as you go on, though.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:04 pm
by petej
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:03 pm
This is your typical blast of misinformation from refry. It's all very Russian but I suppose they own the internet these days. Ignore th actual pictures of naked spat on women and dead people and say 'well the beheaded babies might not be true. That's a very important point so if you would stop looking at that other stuff and concentrate on this instead'
To be equal handed DAC and his ilk have spent years spreading Russian propaganda over shit like brexit and more recently covid. Following the horse shoe theory refry and DAC are actually pretty similar.
