What an Arse-About-Face game.
I suspect that England will get a 150 run lead and this will carry on into day 5
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Eng continue to amaze in finding ever more abject manners on how to collapse. Just beyond pathetic and a first proper, 5 consecutive defeats in series beckons.
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IPL started today.
Watching our local One Dayers. Heinrich Klaasen finally get to age. 150 no. Unbelievable knock.
Watching our local One Dayers. Heinrich Klaasen finally get to age. 150 no. Unbelievable knock.
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England duly thumped.
Faf with an entertaining innings for RCB in the IPL
After taking his time being 20 odd off 30 balls, boomed it to 88 from 57.
Faf with an entertaining innings for RCB in the IPL
After taking his time being 20 odd off 30 balls, boomed it to 88 from 57.
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Karthik finishing it off with 32 from 14, putting RCB over 200. 205/2
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That's feeble even by our standards
Lots of folk on social media calling for Root to go.
Not sure how that suddenly finds two opening batsmen, quality spin bowlers and quicks.
The problem is the structure of the English summer. There's no four day cricket in July and August the last few years, its all bishbash short attention span cricket. So no quicks, spinners or openers play long in ings on hard dry tracks at the height of the English summer. No wonder they don't know what they're doing and look fricking lost.
I'd play the four day comp alongside the T20, hundred etc. Do away with second XIs, allow guys who are natural crease occupiers to play their game instead of forcing them to swing the bat, let spinners learn how you tease someone out over an afternoon, let quicks rough people up. All of a sudden there will be test cricketers worth the cap again.
Not sure how that suddenly finds two opening batsmen, quality spin bowlers and quicks.
The problem is the structure of the English summer. There's no four day cricket in July and August the last few years, its all bishbash short attention span cricket. So no quicks, spinners or openers play long in ings on hard dry tracks at the height of the English summer. No wonder they don't know what they're doing and look fricking lost.
I'd play the four day comp alongside the T20, hundred etc. Do away with second XIs, allow guys who are natural crease occupiers to play their game instead of forcing them to swing the bat, let spinners learn how you tease someone out over an afternoon, let quicks rough people up. All of a sudden there will be test cricketers worth the cap again.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Yes I’m very critical of Root but the problem doesn’t start with him.
Nor do I think there is an easy fix in terms of the county schedule - though it would of course help 1) to play games in better weather and 2) have the best players playing against each other.
We’re producing mentally weak cricketers as much as anything - the public school influence IMHO. Only Burns has debuted in the last seven years and averaged over 30. This isn’t solely talent - this is a lack of mental toughness, which leads to lack of application in the middle and failure to work on weaknesses in training. I can accept low scores, I can’t accept our top order being so brutally exposed in avoidable ways again and again. Of course, when a coach like Ramps points this out to them he’s described as ‘intense’ and sidelined. Likewise don’t you dare call someone like Robinson or Bairstow fat, it’s mean.
Cricket social media is a depressing place, the solution appears to be:
Step 1 - Scrap the Hundred
Step 2 - ???
Step 3 - England win tests
Genuine fucking madness.
It’s time to accept we have a genuinely poor test side - IMO the worst since I started watching in the 90s. Sides like NZ with a fraction of our resources and a not totally dissimilar climate achieve significantly better results. It’s pathetic and the buck stops with the ECB - don’t even get me started with how they’re treating club volunteers.
Most of all though, I’m not convinced that the guys going out there really care. Similar comments have been made about Sweeney and the RFU, and Hogg et al. I feel taken for granted, I don’t feel the players get that playing for your country is a high honour many of us would do silly things to achieve, I don’t think they get the emotion invested, the cash spent etc. A poor side losing having given it all I can accept, I’m not convinced they’re really that bothered or really applied themselves to win that series. Don’t think the ECB will get me buying test tickets this summer.
Nor do I think there is an easy fix in terms of the county schedule - though it would of course help 1) to play games in better weather and 2) have the best players playing against each other.
We’re producing mentally weak cricketers as much as anything - the public school influence IMHO. Only Burns has debuted in the last seven years and averaged over 30. This isn’t solely talent - this is a lack of mental toughness, which leads to lack of application in the middle and failure to work on weaknesses in training. I can accept low scores, I can’t accept our top order being so brutally exposed in avoidable ways again and again. Of course, when a coach like Ramps points this out to them he’s described as ‘intense’ and sidelined. Likewise don’t you dare call someone like Robinson or Bairstow fat, it’s mean.
Cricket social media is a depressing place, the solution appears to be:
Step 1 - Scrap the Hundred
Step 2 - ???
Step 3 - England win tests
Genuine fucking madness.
It’s time to accept we have a genuinely poor test side - IMO the worst since I started watching in the 90s. Sides like NZ with a fraction of our resources and a not totally dissimilar climate achieve significantly better results. It’s pathetic and the buck stops with the ECB - don’t even get me started with how they’re treating club volunteers.
Most of all though, I’m not convinced that the guys going out there really care. Similar comments have been made about Sweeney and the RFU, and Hogg et al. I feel taken for granted, I don’t feel the players get that playing for your country is a high honour many of us would do silly things to achieve, I don’t think they get the emotion invested, the cash spent etc. A poor side losing having given it all I can accept, I’m not convinced they’re really that bothered or really applied themselves to win that series. Don’t think the ECB will get me buying test tickets this summer.
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
The reason they’re mentally weak is they rarely have to concentrate on games that last more than six hours.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:30 pm Yes I’m very critical of Root but the problem doesn’t start with him.
Nor do I think there is an easy fix in terms of the county schedule - though it would of course help 1) to play games in better weather and 2) have the best players playing against each other.
We’re producing mentally weak cricketers as much as anything - the public school influence IMHO. Only Burns has debuted in the last seven years and averaged over 30. This isn’t solely talent - this is a lack of mental toughness, which leads to lack of application in the middle and failure to work on weaknesses in training. I can accept low scores, I can’t accept our top order being so brutally exposed in avoidable ways again and again. Of course, when a coach like Ramps points this out to them he’s described as ‘intense’ and sidelined. Likewise don’t you dare call someone like Robinson or Bairstow fat, it’s mean.
Cricket social media is a depressing place, the solution appears to be:
Step 1 - Scrap the Hundred
Step 2 - ???
Step 3 - England win tests
Genuine fucking madness.
It’s time to accept we have a genuinely poor test side - IMO the worst since I started watching in the 90s. Sides like NZ with a fraction of our resources and a not totally dissimilar climate achieve significantly better results. It’s pathetic and the buck stops with the ECB - don’t even get me started with how they’re treating club volunteers.
Most of all though, I’m not convinced that the guys going out there really care. Similar comments have been made about Sweeney and the RFU, and Hogg et al. I feel taken for granted, I don’t feel the players get that playing for your country is a high honour many of us would do silly things to achieve, I don’t think they get the emotion invested, the cash spent etc. A poor side losing having given it all I can accept, I’m not convinced they’re really that bothered or really applied themselves to win that series. Don’t think the ECB will get me buying test tickets this summer.
The public school criticism is weird btw, those are the only schools where you’re likely to have to play a two day game.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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I see the players who come out of the public school system. It locks in mentally weak cricketers which is why our test bats have such easily unlocked techniques and a lack of willingness to work on it
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Which part?
- our players are mentally weak, clearly
- they fail to work on obvious flaws in their technique
- we achieve worse outcomes than nations with fewer resources
- there is no easy fix to this, certainly scrapping the Hundred won’t do it
- this is a genuinely poor side and they don’t seem to care
None of that seems particularly controversial
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Genuinely bonkers. Some of our best ever batsmen are products of public school. Neither school system is particularly responsible for breeding that mentality. You can't see the wood for the trees: we're reaping the whirlwind when it comes to sacrificing long form cricket in this country.
Our cricketers show plenty of mental toughness in other forms of the sport. It's a criticism that does not stand up to any scrutiny.
Our cricketers show plenty of mental toughness in other forms of the sport. It's a criticism that does not stand up to any scrutiny.
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If you genuinely think this England test team is mentally tough I don’t know where to start - have you watched them play the last two years? Stokes excepted but he’s not a top order bat anyway.
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
I think this team is an absolute mess. Their collective batting weaknesses have nothing to do with their upbringing, that's mad talk, and easily disproved by the existence of many a recent top class player.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:20 pm If you genuinely think this England test team is mentally tough I don’t know where to start - have you watched them play the last two years? Stokes excepted but he’s not a top order bat anyway.
The problems we have are a complete absence of decent coaching, a complete gutting of our domestic scene, and the massive increase in time and money spent on other forms of the game. Selections are made from a shallow pool, in a complete panic, from a group of players who all have techniques created by that set of circumstances. Expecting anyone to come out of the current system with a technique able to stand up to the lonely world of test cricket is asking a lot.
Other criticisms: Ramprakash oversaw batting humiliations. He wasn't "too intense", he was shit at his job.
As for not calling Robinson fat, what does that even mean? They very publicly called him out, so they aren't shying away from criticism. Of course if we're talking fitness, perhaps we should be questioning why we keep breaking Stokes, Archer, Wood, Stone, and pretty much every other bowler that isn't senior enough to manage their own workloads. I'm sure Root bowling Archer into the fucking ground didn't have anything to do with his injury...
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To clarify I’m not making a class war style point and it would be pretty hypocritical if I was - private school cricket ends up with a lot of games that are little more than an extended net, followed by training that is more netting. People aren’t ‘found out’ in the way they should be and it is producing crops of mediocre professionals who fail to utilise their talent as they should do. They play too much cricket against average and often fairly brainless teenagers rather than working their way through the top of the Premier Leagues and then into the pro game.
I see this again and again and it drives me nuts.
In fairness for a bit of balance it does drive standards of fielding far above and beyond what we see from England’s other pathways.
Ramps lost the dressing room for pointing out the technical flaws - I don’t know what his man management was like of course but there’s little doubt from anyone with access inside the camp that pointing out technical flaws and trying to work on them was not brilliantly received.
Likewise any environment that allowed Robinson to end up in that shape in the first place prior to a major series is not demanding performance in the way it should be - everything I hear points to a softness that just shouldn’t be accepted at that level. Similarly, it is not in any way unfair to question whether they care when this sort of stuff is allowed.
Agreed on your wider fitness point and I’ve been plenty critical of Root’s captaincy on that front and others.
I see this again and again and it drives me nuts.
In fairness for a bit of balance it does drive standards of fielding far above and beyond what we see from England’s other pathways.
Ramps lost the dressing room for pointing out the technical flaws - I don’t know what his man management was like of course but there’s little doubt from anyone with access inside the camp that pointing out technical flaws and trying to work on them was not brilliantly received.
Likewise any environment that allowed Robinson to end up in that shape in the first place prior to a major series is not demanding performance in the way it should be - everything I hear points to a softness that just shouldn’t be accepted at that level. Similarly, it is not in any way unfair to question whether they care when this sort of stuff is allowed.
Agreed on your wider fitness point and I’ve been plenty critical of Root’s captaincy on that front and others.
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MOG, I'm agreeing with JMJM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:15 pm Genuinely bonkers. Some of our best ever batsmen are products of public school. Neither school system is particularly responsible for breeding that mentality. You can't see the wood for the trees: we're reaping the whirlwind when it comes to sacrificing long form cricket in this country.
67 years ago today, the Black Caps set a world record that still proudly stands unbeaten though India made a brave challenge at it a couple of years ago. Black Caps, leading the way in test cricket for well over half a century.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte ... 45832.html
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I can't help feeling that this record will stand as long as Bradman's 99.94Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:51 am 67 years ago today, the Black Caps set a world record that still proudly stands unbeaten though India made a brave challenge at it a couple of years ago. Black Caps, leading the way in test cricket for well over half a century.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte ... 45832.html
Sadly, I agree with you.not_english wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:35 amI can't help feeling that this record will stand as long as Bradman's 99.94Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:51 am 67 years ago today, the Black Caps set a world record that still proudly stands unbeaten though India made a brave challenge at it a couple of years ago. Black Caps, leading the way in test cricket for well over half a century.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte ... 45832.html
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Mehhh. Eng trying hard and will get there eventually.Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:51 am 67 years ago today, the Black Caps set a world record that still proudly stands unbeaten though India made a brave challenge at it a couple of years ago. Black Caps, leading the way in test cricket for well over half a century.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte ... 45832.html
Nah, they had their chance when they had lost 8 for 23 on 22 March 2018 at Eden Park but weren't good enough to lose their last two wickets for two runs. Useless pricks.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:14 pmMehhh. Eng trying hard and will get there eventually.Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:51 am 67 years ago today, the Black Caps set a world record that still proudly stands unbeaten though India made a brave challenge at it a couple of years ago. Black Caps, leading the way in test cricket for well over half a century.
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There’s a surprising lack of comment on today’s big game. I thought this thread would be buzzing.
NZ (minus about a dozen players away at the IPL) are chasing 202 in the first ODI vs. the Netherlands. Through their long and storied rivalry the head to head stands with NZ leading by a single match.
NZ (minus about a dozen players away at the IPL) are chasing 202 in the first ODI vs. the Netherlands. Through their long and storied rivalry the head to head stands with NZ leading by a single match.
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2 test series vs Bangladesh starts on Thursday. IPL poaching all the top players. Sad for countries.
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In our local One dayers, the Titans (Bulls in rugby) hit a record 453/3 in 50 overs
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SA v Bangladesh in Durban, kicking off now.
Bangladesh:
1 Mominul Haque, 2 Shadman Islam, 3 Mahmudul Hasan Joy, 4 Najmul Hossain Shanto, 5 Mushfiqur Rahim, 6 Yasir Ali, 7 Litton Das (wk), 8 Mehidy Hasan Miraz, 9 Taskin Ahmed, 10 Khaled Ahmed, 11 Ebadot Hossain
South Africa:
1 Dean Elgar, 2 Sarel Erwee, 3 Kegan Petersen, 4 Temba Bavuma, 5 Ryan Rickleton, 6 Kyle Verreynne (wk), 7 Wiaan Mulder, 8 Keshav Maharaj, 9 Simon Harmer, 10 Lizaad Williams, 11 Duanne Olivier
Bangladesh win the toss and bowl first
Bangladesh:
1 Mominul Haque, 2 Shadman Islam, 3 Mahmudul Hasan Joy, 4 Najmul Hossain Shanto, 5 Mushfiqur Rahim, 6 Yasir Ali, 7 Litton Das (wk), 8 Mehidy Hasan Miraz, 9 Taskin Ahmed, 10 Khaled Ahmed, 11 Ebadot Hossain
South Africa:
1 Dean Elgar, 2 Sarel Erwee, 3 Kegan Petersen, 4 Temba Bavuma, 5 Ryan Rickleton, 6 Kyle Verreynne (wk), 7 Wiaan Mulder, 8 Keshav Maharaj, 9 Simon Harmer, 10 Lizaad Williams, 11 Duanne Olivier
Bangladesh win the toss and bowl first
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First test in Durbs since 2019 and it takes 20+ mins to bowl the first ball because the site screens were not working properly 
23/0 after 7
23/0 after 7
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Batting first probably what we would do aswell with two spinners
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Great start, but the Bangers have been poor
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Elgar gone. 117/1. Great start.
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Erwee playing a loose shot 117/2
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Very bold to select a 4 man attack in SA.... Peterson looking very composed
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Taskin bowling beautifully, unlucky not to have Peterson
Yours.Big Nipper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:22 pm Very bold to select a 4 man attack in SA.... Peterson looking very composed
Rickleton under pressure to justify his selection ahead of Zondo.
The game is by no means lost, but we are playing Bangladesh, not India or Australia.
147 for three.
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Rickelton look pretty solid plus a lh batsman. Bit unfare to expect to much from him in his debut.
Yours.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:08 pm Rickelton look pretty solid plus a lh batsman. Bit unfare to expect to much from him in his debut.
Fucking DSTV changed my coverage to the fucking IPL, so I missed him getting out.
There's a fucking test match on with the national side, and it's relegated to a minor sports channel by these cunts because Indian cricket takes precedence.
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Switch to 201. Agree on you, I,ll rather watch our CSA 1 dayers as that kak.Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:56 pmYours.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:08 pm Rickelton look pretty solid plus a lh batsman. Bit unfare to expect to much from him in his debut.
Fucking DSTV changed my coverage to the fucking IPL, so I missed him getting out.
There's a fucking test match on with the national side, and it's relegated to a minor sports channel by these cunts because Indian cricket takes precedence.