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Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:24 am It’s as obsessive as dozy with China against the West. Silver/Lemon with Russia.

sturginho wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:21 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:24 am It’s as obsessive as dozy with China against the West. Silver/Lemon with Russia.

You with IH

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:13 am often misleading information (no one is held accountable for)

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:48 am You do understand I was talking generally, and not about your most recent specific link, mr happy clappy.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:11 am96 pages ….

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:33 am Ooh, looks like another Brexit win!

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:30 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:33 am Ooh, looks like another Brexit win!

Juror's Ocean?

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:39 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:30 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:33 am Ooh, looks like another Brexit win!

Juror's Ocean?

The freedom to treat our own land and rivers as a literal shithole was hard won doncha know? #takingbackcontrol

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:15 am Be nicer to the fucking Tories, please, you'll upset Yourmother who wants to believe everything is hunky dory and that a populist government who dragged us into a hard Brexit and have made a horlicks of dealing with a pandemic that's killed 150k of our fellow citizens can't possibly be continuing to do things that deserve criticism

That's the real problem facing society right now

People pointing out the shitty things the government does and being mean about it

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:24 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:15 am Be nicer to the fucking Tories, please, you'll upset Yourmother who wants to believe everything is hunky dory and that a populist government who dragged us into a hard Brexit and have made a horlicks of dealing with a pandemic that's killed 150k of our fellow citizens can't possibly be continuing to do things that deserve criticism

That's the real problem facing society right now

People pointing out the shitty things the government does and being mean about it

In a way, the absolute unending stream of it is desensitising the populace. I think Boris could drop a turd in the queen's lap and get away with it now.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:24 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:15 am Be nicer to the fucking Tories, please, you'll upset Yourmother who wants to believe everything is hunky dory and that a populist government who dragged us into a hard Brexit and have made a horlicks of dealing with a pandemic that's killed 150k of our fellow citizens can't possibly be continuing to do things that deserve criticism

That's the real problem facing society right now

People pointing out the shitty things the government does and being mean about it

In a way, the absolute unending stream of it is desensitising the populace. I think Boris could drop a turd in the queen's lap and get away with it now.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:15 am Be nicer to the fucking Tories, please, you'll upset Yourmother who wants to believe everything is hunky dory and that a populist government who dragged us into a hard Brexit and have made a horlicks of dealing with a pandemic that's killed 150k of our fellow citizens can't possibly be continuing to do things that deserve criticism

That's the real problem facing society right now

People pointing out the shitty things the government does and being mean about it

Boris Johnson used the £2.6m Downing Street briefing room for a private screening of the new James Bond film, No 10 has admitted.
The government has been under fire for spending millions on fitting out the room – only to scrap plans for White House-style press conferences, which was the purpose.
Instead, the room is used for twice-daily briefings with political journalists, but has been unavailable for the last two days for unspecified “events”

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:20 pm Aaah, this is what it was really built for.

Boris Johnson used the £2.6m Downing Street briefing room for a private screening of the new James Bond film, No 10 has admitted.
The government has been under fire for spending millions on fitting out the room – only to scrap plans for White House-style press conferences, which was the purpose.
Instead, the room is used for twice-daily briefings with political journalists, but has been unavailable for the last two days for unspecified “events”

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:41 pm We used to use the main boardroom for poker evenings sometimes.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:37 am

sturginho wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:21 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:24 am It’s as obsessive as dozy with China against the West. Silver/Lemon with Russia.

You with IH

Perhaps I’m obsessed with the obsessiveness of it, I’ll grant you that.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:37 am Sorry if I left you out of the obsessive list Rinkals.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:45 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:43 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:37 pm


Most reasonable commentators seem to think Scotland wouldn't be any worse off as an independent country than it is sailing off on the Good Ship Boris.
My contention is that it is a short term thing, then we can set our own course, to continue the navigation metaphor.

Can you name a country that has gone independent then asked to be taken back under control of the union it left?

So Scotland going independent would suffer some 'short-term' hardship but leaving a controlling Union would ultimately be beneficial. So you were pro-Brexit then presumably?

No, I can examine different proposals on their own merits

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:30 am

Plim wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:46 am This must be the most politically self-regarding meme ever. Everything good is left-wing; everything bad is right-wing (more properly: all good things come only from the left; if you find anything bad you must understand it to be right-wing).

Over a hundred years ago it was exactly the same, just in relation to the Liberals rather than Labour. As John Buchan put it, about the Liberals in 1911, though he was writing in 1940:

“Now that the once omnipotent Liberal party has so declined, it is hard to realise how formidable it was in 1911—especially in Scotland. Its dogmas were so completely taken for granted that their presentation partook less of argument than of a tribal incantation. Mr. Gladstone had given it an aura of earnest morality, so that its platforms were also pulpits and its harangues had the weight of sermons. Its members seemed to assume that their opponents must be lacking either in morals or mind. The Tories were the "stupid" party; Liberals alone understood and sympathised with the poor; a working man who was not a Liberal was inaccessible to reason, or morally corrupt, or intimidated by laird or employer. I remember a lady summing up the attitude thus: Tories may think they are better born, but Liberals know that they are born better.“

We can only hope that Labour goes the way of the Liberals and that we get an up-to-date and sensible centre left party.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:57 am

Plim wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:46 am This must be the most politically self-regarding meme ever. Everything good is left-wing; everything bad is right-wing (more properly: all good things come only from the left; if you find anything bad you must understand it to be right-wing).

Over a hundred years ago it was exactly the same, just in relation to the Liberals rather than Labour. As John Buchan put it, about the Liberals in 1911, though he was writing in 1940:

“Now that the once omnipotent Liberal party has so declined, it is hard to realise how formidable it was in 1911—especially in Scotland. Its dogmas were so completely taken for granted that their presentation partook less of argument than of a tribal incantation. Mr. Gladstone had given it an aura of earnest morality, so that its platforms were also pulpits and its harangues had the weight of sermons. Its members seemed to assume that their opponents must be lacking either in morals or mind. The Tories were the "stupid" party; Liberals alone understood and sympathised with the poor; a working man who was not a Liberal was inaccessible to reason, or morally corrupt, or intimidated by laird or employer. I remember a lady summing up the attitude thus: Tories may think they are better born, but Liberals know that they are born better.“

We can only hope that Labour goes the way of the Liberals and that we get an up-to-date and sensible centre left party.

It's funny because it winds up right wingers

Plim wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:10 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:57 am

Plim wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:46 am This must be the most politically self-regarding meme ever. Everything good is left-wing; everything bad is right-wing (more properly: all good things come only from the left; if you find anything bad you must understand it to be right-wing).

Over a hundred years ago it was exactly the same, just in relation to the Liberals rather than Labour. As John Buchan put it, about the Liberals in 1911, though he was writing in 1940:

“Now that the once omnipotent Liberal party has so declined, it is hard to realise how formidable it was in 1911—especially in Scotland. Its dogmas were so completely taken for granted that their presentation partook less of argument than of a tribal incantation. Mr. Gladstone had given it an aura of earnest morality, so that its platforms were also pulpits and its harangues had the weight of sermons. Its members seemed to assume that their opponents must be lacking either in morals or mind. The Tories were the "stupid" party; Liberals alone understood and sympathised with the poor; a working man who was not a Liberal was inaccessible to reason, or morally corrupt, or intimidated by laird or employer. I remember a lady summing up the attitude thus: Tories may think they are better born, but Liberals know that they are born better.“

We can only hope that Labour goes the way of the Liberals and that we get an up-to-date and sensible centre left party.

It's funny because it winds up right wingers

Fair. I doubt that on this forum anyone genuinely believes that the mainstream left is inherently morally superior and more principled than the mainstream right. But I’m all for goading.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:13 am

Plim wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:10 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:57 am

It's funny because it winds up right wingers

Fair. I doubt that on this forum anyone genuinely believes that the mainstream left is inherently morally superior and more principled than the mainstream right. But I’m all for goading.

You have got to be fucking joking!

The Recycling Association, the trade body for independent waste paper processors and their equipment suppliers, has strongly criticised Boris Johnson for what he said this morning about plastic recycling. (See 12.52pm.) Asked for his reaction to the comment, Simon Ellin, the association’s chief executive, told the World at One:

‘Wow’, I think is the first answer.

It’s very disappointing. I think he has completely lost the plastic plot here, if I’m honest.

We need to reduce and I would completely agree with him on that, but his own government has just invested in the resources and waste strategy, which is the most ground-breaking recycling legislation and plan that we’ve ever seen, with recycling right at the front of it.

So he seems to be completely conflicting with his own government’s policy.

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:21 pm Blonde slug not knowing what he's talking about shock horror!!

The Recycling Association, the trade body for independent waste paper processors and their equipment suppliers, has strongly criticised Boris Johnson for what he said this morning about plastic recycling. (See 12.52pm.) Asked for his reaction to the comment, Simon Ellin, the association’s chief executive, told the World at One:

‘Wow’, I think is the first answer.

It’s very disappointing. I think he has completely lost the plastic plot here, if I’m honest.

We need to reduce and I would completely agree with him on that, but his own government has just invested in the resources and waste strategy, which is the most ground-breaking recycling legislation and plan that we’ve ever seen, with recycling right at the front of it.

So he seems to be completely conflicting with his own government’s policy.

During the special event organised by Downing Street, Mr Johnson told an audience of eight to 12-year-olds that rather than relying on recycling, people should reduce their consumption of plastic products.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:38 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:21 pm Blonde slug not knowing what he's talking about shock horror!!

The Recycling Association, the trade body for independent waste paper processors and their equipment suppliers, has strongly criticised Boris Johnson for what he said this morning about plastic recycling. (See 12.52pm.) Asked for his reaction to the comment, Simon Ellin, the association’s chief executive, told the World at One:

‘Wow’, I think is the first answer.

It’s very disappointing. I think he has completely lost the plastic plot here, if I’m honest.

We need to reduce and I would completely agree with him on that, but his own government has just invested in the resources and waste strategy, which is the most ground-breaking recycling legislation and plan that we’ve ever seen, with recycling right at the front of it.

So he seems to be completely conflicting with his own government’s policy.

To be fair; he was facing a much tougher audience, than he usually does.

During the special event organised by Downing Street, Mr Johnson told an audience of eight to 12-year-olds that rather than relying on recycling, people should reduce their consumption of plastic products.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:39 pm The sewage in the rivers story is quite funny. Privatisation: we're all in the sh*t.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:20 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:39 pm The sewage in the rivers story is quite funny. Privatisation: we're all in the sh*t.

The script about victorian infrastructure was almost contemptuous in it's implausibility.

The Tories handed the water companies a get of out jail free card; by allowing them to dump, untreated sewage in rivers, without consequences; & a couple of weeks later the water companies are doing exactly that; & using their free pass; rather than stumping up the extra money for Post-Brexit Chemicals.

Why would they pay higher wages for drivers; or increase their chemical storage, or stock on hand; when they can just open the taps, & dump raw sewage into the rivers ?

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:46 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:38 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:21 pm Blonde slug not knowing what he's talking about shock horror!!

To be fair; he was facing a much tougher audience, than he usually does.

During the special event organised by Downing Street, Mr Johnson told an audience of eight to 12-year-olds that rather than relying on recycling, people should reduce their consumption of plastic products.

Quite!