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Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:03 am
by Rinkals
I see that Trump is having trouble with his legal team defending him on the Impeachment charges.
He apparently wants to base his defence on his belief that the election was fraudulent rather than whether he incited the insurrection.
Not that it matters, but he clearly knows that he did instigate the storming of the Capitol: it's just that he feels that it was justified.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... it-reports
I'm inclined to think that the impeachment trial will be hugely damaging to the GOP, particularly if, as expected, they don't vote to impeach.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:14 am
by Torquemada 1420
Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:03 am
I see that Trump is having trouble with his legal team defending him on the Impeachment charges.
He apparently wants to base his defence on his belief that the election was fraudulent rather than whether he incited the insurrection.
Not that it matters, but he clearly knows that he did instigate the storming of the Capitol: it's just that he feels that it was justified.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... it-reports
I'm inclined to think that the impeachment trial will be hugely damaging to the GOP, particularly if, as expected, they don't vote to impeach.
Basically they've dumped in so it appears even the highest paid ambulance chasers think he is beyond defending.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:29 am
by Hal Jordan
Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:03 am
I see that Trump is having trouble with his legal team defending him on the Impeachment charges.
He apparently wants to base his defence on his belief that the election was fraudulent rather than whether he incited the insurrection.
Not that it matters, but he clearly knows that he did instigate the storming of the Capitol: it's just that he feels that it was justified.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... it-reports
I'm inclined to think that the impeachment trial will be hugely damaging to the GOP, particularly if, as expected, they don't vote to impeach.
Unfortunately they will be the same - ruthless in fucking over the poor yet convincing them that it's in the best interests of the downtrodden to vote for them, utterly uncooperative with the Democrats whilst squealing about moving on and unity and, at state level, they have already brought in over 100 pieces of legislation to disenfranchise people likely to vote Democrat. The postal vote is particularly up against it.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:27 pm
by fishfoodie
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:14 am
Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:03 am
I see that Trump is having trouble with his legal team defending him on the Impeachment charges.
He apparently wants to base his defence on his belief that the election was fraudulent rather than whether he incited the insurrection.
Not that it matters, but he clearly knows that he did instigate the storming of the Capitol: it's just that he feels that it was justified.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... it-reports
I'm inclined to think that the impeachment trial will be hugely damaging to the GOP, particularly if, as expected, they don't vote to impeach.
Basically they've dumped in so it appears even the highest paid ambulance chasers think he is beyond defending.
It's not exactly that.
He's insisting on a defense that requires his lawyers to present, what they know are lies, to the court.
It's very difficult to find a decent lawyer, who is prepared to be disbarred, for a client who probably won't pay their fees.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:53 pm
by Lobby
I see mad Rudy has gone too far now even for Steve Bannon.
On Bannon’s recent War Room podcast, Giuliani claimed that the Lincoln Project (Republicans against Trump) planned the assault on the Capitol to discredit Trump. Bannon had to stop him, and told him couldn’t make accusations like that without any evidence.
Anyway, the Lincoln Project are now threatening to sue him for defamation, and their letter is really worth reading
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:52 pm
by dpedin
Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:53 pm
I see mad Rudy has gone too far now even for Steve Bannon.
On Bannon’s recent War Room podcast, Giuliani claimed that the Lincoln Project (Republicans against Trump) planned the assault on the Capitol to discredit Trump. Bannon had to stop him, and told him couldn’t make accusations like that without any evidence.
Anyway, the Lincoln Project are now threatening to sue him for defamation, and their letter is really worth reading
Apparently means little legally but it is a feckin good laugh! I think the hair dye has got into his ears and destroyed Rudy's brain. No worries though because Trumps ex lawyers could pick up the case, assuming they want it?
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:46 pm
by fishfoodie
The gift that keeps on giving.
It turns out that a significant bunch of the cretinous traitors who stormed the Capitol ....
hadn't bothered to vote in the Election they claim was stolen
If only the fuck-noddle they worship; hadn't primed them all, to believe that the Election was rigged; they might have gotten of their arses & voted; & then he might have won.
They were there to "Stop the Steal" and to keep the President they revered in office, yet records show that some of the rioters who stormed the US Capitol did not vote in the very election they were protesting.
One was Donovan Crowl, an ex-Marine who charged toward a Capitol entrance in paramilitary garb on January 6 as the Pro-Trump crowd chanted "who's our President?"
Federal authorities later identified Crowl, 50, as a member of a self-styled militia organization in his home state of Ohio and affiliated with the extremist group the Oath Keepers.
...
Many involved in the insurrection professed to be motivated by patriotism, falsely declaring that Trump was the rightful winner of the election. Yet at least eight of the people who are now facing criminal charges for their involvement in the events at the Capitol did not vote in the November 2020 presidential election, according to an analysis of voting records from the states where protestors were arrested and those states where public records show they have lived. They came from states around the country and ranged in age from 21 to 65.
To determine who voted in November, CNN obtained voting records for more than 80 of the initial arrestees. Most voted in the presidential election, and while many were registered Republicans, a handful were registered as Democrats in those jurisdictions that provided party information -- though who someone votes for is not publicly disclosed. Public access to voter history records varies by state, and CNN was unable to view the records of some of those charged.
10% of the thick cunts; 10% !
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:43 am
by Ted.
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:46 pm
The gift that keeps on giving.
It turns out that a significant bunch of the cretinous traitors who stormed the Capitol ....
hadn't bothered to vote in the Election they claim was stolen
If only the fuck-noddle they worship; hadn't primed them all, to believe that the Election was rigged; they might have gotten of their arses & voted; & then he might have won.
They were there to "Stop the Steal" and to keep the President they revered in office, yet records show that some of the rioters who stormed the US Capitol did not vote in the very election they were protesting.
One was Donovan Crowl, an ex-Marine who charged toward a Capitol entrance in paramilitary garb on January 6 as the Pro-Trump crowd chanted "who's our President?"
Federal authorities later identified Crowl, 50, as a member of a self-styled militia organization in his home state of Ohio and affiliated with the extremist group the Oath Keepers.
...
Many involved in the insurrection professed to be motivated by patriotism, falsely declaring that Trump was the rightful winner of the election. Yet at least eight of the people who are now facing criminal charges for their involvement in the events at the Capitol did not vote in the November 2020 presidential election, according to an analysis of voting records from the states where protestors were arrested and those states where public records show they have lived. They came from states around the country and ranged in age from 21 to 65.
To determine who voted in November, CNN obtained voting records for more than 80 of the initial arrestees. Most voted in the presidential election, and while many were registered Republicans, a handful were registered as Democrats in those jurisdictions that provided party information -- though who someone votes for is not publicly disclosed. Public access to voter history records varies by state, and CNN was unable to view the records of some of those charged.
10% of the thick cunts; 10% !
I'm surprised it's not higher.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:38 am
by Monkey Magic
Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:43 am
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:46 pm
The gift that keeps on giving.
It turns out that a significant bunch of the cretinous traitors who stormed the Capitol ....
hadn't bothered to vote in the Election they claim was stolen
If only the fuck-noddle they worship; hadn't primed them all, to believe that the Election was rigged; they might have gotten of their arses & voted; & then he might have won.
They were there to "Stop the Steal" and to keep the President they revered in office, yet records show that some of the rioters who stormed the US Capitol did not vote in the very election they were protesting.
One was Donovan Crowl, an ex-Marine who charged toward a Capitol entrance in paramilitary garb on January 6 as the Pro-Trump crowd chanted "who's our President?"
Federal authorities later identified Crowl, 50, as a member of a self-styled militia organization in his home state of Ohio and affiliated with the extremist group the Oath Keepers.
...
Many involved in the insurrection professed to be motivated by patriotism, falsely declaring that Trump was the rightful winner of the election. Yet at least eight of the people who are now facing criminal charges for their involvement in the events at the Capitol did not vote in the November 2020 presidential election, according to an analysis of voting records from the states where protestors were arrested and those states where public records show they have lived. They came from states around the country and ranged in age from 21 to 65.
To determine who voted in November, CNN obtained voting records for more than 80 of the initial arrestees. Most voted in the presidential election, and while many were registered Republicans, a handful were registered as Democrats in those jurisdictions that provided party information -- though who someone votes for is not publicly disclosed. Public access to voter history records varies by state, and CNN was unable to view the records of some of those charged.
10% of the thick cunts; 10% !
I'm surprised it's not higher.
While this and the NBA players not voting and protesting is a bit ridiculous, surely it depends where they are. If a few thousand democrats in California don't vote it won't make a huge difference and would be same for the true red states
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:21 am
by Ted.
Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:38 am
Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:43 am
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:46 pm
The gift that keeps on giving.
It turns out that a significant bunch of the cretinous traitors who stormed the Capitol ....
hadn't bothered to vote in the Election they claim was stolen
If only the fuck-noddle they worship; hadn't primed them all, to believe that the Election was rigged; they might have gotten of their arses & voted; & then he might have won.
10% of the thick cunts; 10% !
I'm surprised it's not higher.
While this and the NBA players not voting and protesting is a bit ridiculous, surely it depends where they are. If a few thousand democrats in California don't vote it won't make a huge difference and would be same for the true red states
Yes, that is probably true. IMO, it speaks to their hypocrisy though.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:53 am
by Sinkers
Or their igonarance and/ or gullibility.
Repubs seem more and more to fall into one of three categories:
1. Mr. Burns
2. Karen
3. The bloke who was abducted and anally probed by aliens.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:13 am
by JM2K6
Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:21 am
Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:38 am
Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:43 am
I'm surprised it's not higher.
While this and the NBA players not voting and protesting is a bit ridiculous, surely it depends where they are. If a few thousand democrats in California don't vote it won't make a huge difference and would be same for the true red states
Yes, that is probably true. IMO, it speaks to their hypocrisy though.
If your faith in government or the process has gone, what's the point of voting? I don't think it's particularly difficult to see why either group has large numbers of non-voters.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:47 am
by fishfoodie
You really have to wonder about the US.
Pondscum like Rudy, & MTG can peddle dangerous consiracy theories, & flat out malicious lies, but Politicians
can go to court to stop teachers talking about going on strike.
The District has asked a judge to stop the Washington Teachers’ Union from engaging in any talks about a potential strike as the city attempts to bring teachers and students back to school buildings Tuesday for the first time since March, according to a request for a temporary restraining order filed in D.C. Superior Court on Monday.
The move comes on the heels of marathon union meetings this past week in which members discussed possible strategies — including not showing up at school buildings and continuing with remote instruction — to oppose the city’s plan to return 45 percent of the teaching workforce to schools. The union’s members have not voted to authorize a strike, nor has leadership decided to pursue one, according to Elizabeth Davis, president of the Washington Teachers’ Union.
Davis said she is organizing a vote this week to determine what, if any, actions union members want to take against what they feel would be an unsafe return to school buildings.
In dispute, arbitrator rules largely in favors D.C. Public Schools, clearing the way for schools to reopen on time.
“Our members have not taken a strike vote,” Davis said Monday. “The [Washington Teachers’ Union] is prepared to listen to what actions members want to take. However, the union is insisting that all 5,000 members have a vote to decide on this decision and not just a few.”
If a judge approves the restraining order request, and the union members defy it, union leaders could be held in contempt of court if the city decided to pursue those charges. City officials said a hearing could come as early as Tuesday morning and the restraining order would last for 14 days.
In the District, it is illegal for government employees to go on strike. The city’s collective bargaining contract with the Washington Teachers’ Union prevents the union “from encouraging or supporting strikes or similar work stoppages,” according to the filing for a temporary restraining order.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:54 am
by Rinkals
It does seem as though money was at the heart of Trump changing lawyers in mid stream.
https://www.axios.com/trump-legal-fees- ... ce=twitter
He was said to be livid when Bowers came back to him with a total budget of $3 million. Trump called the South Carolina attorney and eventually negotiated him down to $1 million.
All of this infuriated Trump and his political team, who think the case will be straightforward, given 45 Republican senators already voted to dismiss the trial on the basis it's unconstitutional to convict a former president on impeachment charges.
The guy is as thick as pigshit.
Yes, the result of the trial is probably pre-ordained, but it's by no means guaranteed.
And even if they don't find him guilty, the exposure and the additional evidence will probably not look good for Trump or for the GOP, which is why Lindsey Graham and others are scrambling to limit the evidence that will be heard.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:08 am
by Sandstorm
Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:54 am
It does seem as though money was at the heart of Trump changing lawyers in mid stream.
https://www.axios.com/trump-legal-fees- ... ce=twitter
He was said to be livid when Bowers came back to him with a total budget of $3 million. Trump called the South Carolina attorney and eventually negotiated him down to $1 million.
All of this infuriated Trump and his political team, who think the case will be straightforward, given 45 Republican senators already voted to dismiss the trial on the basis it's unconstitutional to convict a former president on impeachment charges.
The guy is as thick as pigshit.
Yes, the result of the trial is probably pre-ordained, but it's by no means guaranteed.
And even if they don't find him guilty, the exposure and the additional evidence will probably not look good for Trump or for the GOP, which is why Lindsey Graham and others are scrambling to limit the evidence that will be heard.
I hope Bowers gets his money up front.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:10 am
by Ted.
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:13 am
Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:21 am
Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:38 am
While this and the NBA players not voting and protesting is a bit ridiculous, surely it depends where they are. If a few thousand democrats in California don't vote it won't make a huge difference and would be same for the true red states
Yes, that is probably true. IMO, it speaks to their hypocrisy though.
If your faith in government or the process has gone, what's the point of voting? I don't think it's particularly difficult to see why either group has large numbers of non-voters.
I can't disagree with that either. It still makes much of their rhetoric doubtful, or hypocritical, but gives an idea why some might want to change a system of government.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:42 pm
by Uncle fester
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:46 pm
The gift that keeps on giving.
It turns out that a significant bunch of the cretinous traitors who stormed the Capitol ....
hadn't bothered to vote in the Election they claim was stolen
If only the fuck-noddle they worship; hadn't primed them all, to believe that the Election was rigged; they might have gotten of their arses & voted; & then he might have won.
They were there to "Stop the Steal" and to keep the President they revered in office, yet records show that some of the rioters who stormed the US Capitol did not vote in the very election they were protesting.
One was Donovan Crowl, an ex-Marine who charged toward a Capitol entrance in paramilitary garb on January 6 as the Pro-Trump crowd chanted "who's our President?"
Federal authorities later identified Crowl, 50, as a member of a self-styled militia organization in his home state of Ohio and affiliated with the extremist group the Oath Keepers.
...
Many involved in the insurrection professed to be motivated by patriotism, falsely declaring that Trump was the rightful winner of the election. Yet at least eight of the people who are now facing criminal charges for their involvement in the events at the Capitol did not vote in the November 2020 presidential election, according to an analysis of voting records from the states where protestors were arrested and those states where public records show they have lived. They came from states around the country and ranged in age from 21 to 65.
To determine who voted in November, CNN obtained voting records for more than 80 of the initial arrestees. Most voted in the presidential election, and while many were registered Republicans, a handful were registered as Democrats in those jurisdictions that provided party information -- though who someone votes for is not publicly disclosed. Public access to voter history records varies by state, and CNN was unable to view the records of some of those charged.
10% of the thick cunts; 10% !
Anytime else perturbed by the fact that whether you voted or not is a matter of public record?
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:49 pm
by JM2K6
This article is incredible.
https://www.axios.com/trump-oval-office ... f8723.html
Byrne, wearing jeans, a hoodie and a neck gaiter, piped up with his own conspiracy: "I know how this works. I bribed Hillary Clinton $18 million on behalf of the FBI for a sting operation."
Herschmann stared at the eccentric millionaire. "What the hell are you talking about? Why would you say something like that?" Byrne brought up the bizarre Clinton bribery claim several more times during the meeting to the astonishment of White House lawyers.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:26 pm
by Uncle fester
That is demented stuff.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:06 pm
by Hal Jordan
Senate votes 50-49 in favour of the Covid relief package. Toomey absent, Manchin actually did the right thing for once, not a single GOP senator voted in favour. If the Democrats don't put that in the next election campaign, they will...actually, they'll be the Democrats, as usual.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:18 pm
by Slick
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:49 pm
This article is incredible.
https://www.axios.com/trump-oval-office ... f8723.html
Byrne, wearing jeans, a hoodie and a neck gaiter, piped up with his own conspiracy: "I know how this works. I bribed Hillary Clinton $18 million on behalf of the FBI for a sting operation."
Herschmann stared at the eccentric millionaire. "What the hell are you talking about? Why would you say something like that?" Byrne brought up the bizarre Clinton bribery claim several more times during the meeting to the astonishment of White House lawyers.
Fucking hell
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:17 pm
by Sandstorm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:06 pm
Senate votes 50-49 in favour of the Covid relief package. Toomey absent, Manchin actually did the right thing for once, not a single GOP senator voted in favour. If the Democrats don't put that in the next election campaign, they will...actually, they'll be the Democrats, as usual.
Americans are loons and get the same kind of people to represent them.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:47 pm
by Rinkals
This is a little odd.
Not the prospect of tracing where the money to invest comes from, but Eric's panicked reaction.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:07 pm
by Blake
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:42 pm
Anytime else perturbed by the fact that whether you voted or not is a matter of public record?
Not really. As long as
who you voted for remains you secret, I don’t really see the harm in having data on which citizens voted and which didn’t.
It’s valuable information, particularly if non-voters can be contacted to find out why. Is it an issue with the candidates? Or was it personal or work circumstances? Apathy? Or just red tape relating to registration etc.
If your intention is to promote democracy and include more people in the process, this is useful info.
What is your concern?
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:44 pm
by Bokkom
I see the new administration claims Iran is within weeks of manufacturing a nuclear bomb.
Hmmm... when last did we see these kind of claims? Circa 2003?
The only thing that makes the Democrats seem less horrible are the Republicans.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:49 pm
by fishfoodie
Bokkom wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:44 pm
I see the new administration claims Iran is within weeks of manufacturing a nuclear bomb.
Hmmm... when last did we see these kind of claims? Circa 2003?
The only thing that makes the Democrats seem less horrible are the Republicans.
It doesn't seem at unlikely to me that the Iranians are able to build a bomb at this point.
They've had the knowledge for decades, & they've had a few years unconstrained by the deal, so have been able to enrich to their hearts content.
The fucking North Koreans built a bomb; how hard do you think it would be for anyone else ?
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:07 pm
by Hal Jordan
Stopped supporting the Saudis in Yemen, at least
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:31 pm
by fishfoodie
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:07 pm
Stopped supporting the Saudis in Yemen, at least
I'd be selling the Yemeniis MANPADs.
I've met a few Yemeniis, & I'd take them any day of the week over the Saudiis; arrogant pricks to a man.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:03 pm
by Un Pilier
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:31 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:07 pm
Stopped supporting the Saudis in Yemen, at least
I'd be selling the Yemeniis MANPADs.
I've met a few Yemeniis, & I'd take them any day of the week over the Saudiis; arrogant pricks to a man.
Note to self. “Remember to buy the “ fishfoodie guide to geopolitics”.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:30 pm
by fishfoodie
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:03 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:31 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:07 pm
Stopped supporting the Saudis in Yemen, at least
I'd be selling the Yemeniis MANPADs.
I've met a few Yemeniis, & I'd take them any day of the week over the Saudiis; arrogant pricks to a man.
Note to self. “Remember to buy the “ fishfoodie guide to geopolitics”.
Allow me to supply some empirical data to support my anecdotal information...
These are the nationalities, & ages of the 9/11 attackers; I need hardly add the ring leaders nationality.
Abdulaziz al-Omari 22 Saudi Arabia
Wail al-Shehri 28 Saudi Arabia
Waleed al-Shehri 22 Saudi Arabia
Satam al-Suqami 25 Saudi Arabia
Mohand al-Shehri 22 Saudi Arabia
Hamza al-Ghamdi 20 Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al-Ghamdi 22 Saudi Arabia
Hani Hanjour 29 Saudi Arabia
Khalid al-Mihdhar 26 Saudi Arabia
Majed Moqed 24 Saudi Arabia
Nawaf al-Hazmi 25 Saudi Arabia
Salem al-Hazmi 20 Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al-Haznawi 20 Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al-Nami 24 Saudi Arabia
Saeed al-Ghamdi 21 Saudi Arabia
Marwan al-Shehhi 23 UAE
Fayez Banihammad 24 UAE
Mohamed Atta 33 Egypt
Ziad Jarrah 26 Lebanon
Does anyone see a pattern ?
The CIA got it right for once, when they gave the Mujahideen SAMs; but they were let down by a Political leadership that didn't look beyond turning the Afghans into a proxy army. They managed to replay the exact same cluster fuck the OAS got when they gave arms & training to the Viet Min, to fight against the Japanese; & then fucked them over; & went back on their words; & just let the former colonial powers, start right back up where they stopped; once the war ended.
There's a great story about a former OAS/CIA officer, who was great friends with Uncle Ho; & right up until Ho's death, used to correspond with him. Nothing would have made Ho happier, than to have been friends with the US; but the moronic domino theory put paid to that.
If Americas really believe in the superiority of Democracy & the US; you'd have to ask why they never feel comfortable allowing anyone else to make a choice between the two; without putting their fingers on the scales ???
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:14 am
by Hal Jordan
11 GOP Congress members decide Q isn't for them and join in the censure of that complete lunatic Marjorie Taylor Green. She was on Twitter accusing her accusers of being "pedos".
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:06 am
by fishfoodie
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:14 am
11 GOP Congress members decide Q isn't for them and join in the censure of that complete lunatic Marjorie Taylor Green. She was on Twitter accusing her accusers of being "pedos".
Well, given the Dominion lawsuits, & now the Smartmatic one; I hope these 11 GOP members decide to follow the same course.
If nothing else, it might give propaganda media like Fox & Newsmax a moment for thought; & will probable fuck Twitter & FB entirely; if any of the cases is successful.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:46 pm
by Hal Jordan
The opening page of the Smartmatic claim is a work of genius.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:08 pm
by Uncle fester
Blake wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:07 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:42 pm
Anytime else perturbed by the fact that whether you voted or not is a matter of public record?
Not really. As long as
who you voted for remains you secret, I don’t really see the harm in having data on which citizens voted and which didn’t.
It’s valuable information, particularly if non-voters can be contacted to find out why. Is it an issue with the candidates? Or was it personal or work circumstances? Apathy? Or just red tape relating to registration etc.
If your intention is to promote democracy and include more people in the process, this is useful info.
What is your concern?
Voter turnout or lack of is a valuable metric but it should be anonymised and individual voters who didn't case votes (for whatever reason) should not be a matter of public record.
The information might be valuable but it should also be private.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:40 pm
by Biffer
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:46 pm
The opening page of the Smartmatic claim is a work of genius.
Isn't it just. Almost like poetry.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:10 pm
by Blake
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:08 pm
Blake wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:07 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:42 pm
Anytime else perturbed by the fact that whether you voted or not is a matter of public record?
Not really. As long as
who you voted for remains you secret, I don’t really see the harm in having data on which citizens voted and which didn’t.
It’s valuable information, particularly if non-voters can be contacted to find out why. Is it an issue with the candidates? Or was it personal or work circumstances? Apathy? Or just red tape relating to registration etc.
If your intention is to promote democracy and include more people in the process, this is useful info.
What is your concern?
Voter turnout or lack of is a valuable metric but it should be anonymised and individual voters who didn't case votes (for whatever reason) should not be a matter of public record.
The information might be valuable but it should also be private.
I guess, but I'm still not sure I see the risk here. I'm struggling to weigh up the benefit of complete transparency of the voter roll vs...what exactly?
What is the hypothetical personal risk of know who voted and who didn't? Harassment of voters in non-voting families? Or unwanted targeting of non-voters by people running political campaigns? I'm just trying to understand what you perceive the risk of this information to be. What scenario am I missing?
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:58 pm
by fishfoodie
Blake wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:10 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:08 pm
Blake wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:07 pm
Not really. As long as
who you voted for remains you secret, I don’t really see the harm in having data on which citizens voted and which didn’t.
It’s valuable information, particularly if non-voters can be contacted to find out why. Is it an issue with the candidates? Or was it personal or work circumstances? Apathy? Or just red tape relating to registration etc.
If your intention is to promote democracy and include more people in the process, this is useful info.
What is your concern?
Voter turnout or lack of is a valuable metric but it should be anonymised and individual voters who didn't case votes (for whatever reason) should not be a matter of public record.
The information might be valuable but it should also be private.
I guess, but I'm still not sure I see the risk here. I'm struggling to weigh up the benefit of complete transparency of the voter roll vs...what exactly?
What is the hypothetical personal risk of know who voted and who didn't? Harassment of voters in non-voting families? Or unwanted targeting of non-voters by people running political campaigns? I'm just trying to understand what you perceive the risk of this information to be. What scenario am I missing?
Remember that voters in the US have to register a Party, or a relatively recent innovation, as an Independent.
With all this data; it's possible to see how well your own voters, are turning out, & make some educated guesses as to what way the Independents are swaying.
It also drives the jerrymandering to redistrict, once you discover your losing.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:16 pm
by Blake
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:58 pm
Remember that voters in the US have to register a Party, or a relatively recent innovation, as an Independent.
With all this data; it's possible to see how well your own voters, are turning out, & make some educated guesses as to what way the Independents are swaying.
It also drives the jerrymandering to redistrict, once you discover your losing.
You don’t
have to register to a party to vote in the election; only to vote in the party primaries for your party’s candidate.
And even then you are not compelled to vote for your party’s candidate if you despise them, although that is unlikely.
Your point regarding having good data for gerrymandering is a valid one, but I would argue that is more a problem with the way redistricting is done, than a problem with making voter rolls transparent. Rather fix gerrymandering by making it independent, than remove something that makes the election process more transparent.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:47 pm
by Hal Jordan
Congress moves on the Covid relief bill. No prizes for guessing which party offered not a single vote in support.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:40 pm
by Hal Jordan
Interesting piece about the FBI approach to the sedition investigation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... estigation
Some pretty worrying stuff.
Another chilling element emerging from the indictments is the number of current and former law enforcement officers and military personnel who are among them. An analysis of the first 150 people to be arrested by CNN found that at least 21 had military experience, some ongoing.
Political scientists at the University of Chicago who studied the profiles of arrestees and published their conclusions in the Atlantic found that many were middle-class and middle-aged – with an average age of 40. Almost 90% of them had no known links with militant groups. Some 40% were business owners or with white-collar jobs, and they came from relatively lucrative backgrounds as “CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants”.
And the kicker -
The one common denominator uniting this large group is not any extremist group, website or media outlet, but an individual – Donald Trump.