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Yeah, the likes of the proud boys treat qanon like a gateway drug and access point to more dangerous ideologies.

Fascinating to see the GOP Senators studiously avoiding watching the evidence being presented.

Trump and his replacement lawyers may feel that they don't have to try too hard because the verdict is probably already in the bag, but I'm inclined to think that, for the Senate to decline to convict, they'd prefer some sliver of plausibility from the defence.

It's all very well for the GOP to fear the retribution of Trump's base, but I suspect that they are probably quite fickle as a voting block and probably less motivated than the vote that turned out for Biden.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:54 pm Fascinating to see the GOP Senators studiously avoiding watching the evidence being presented.

Trump and his replacement lawyers may feel that they don't have to try too hard because the verdict is probably already in the bag, but I'm inclined to think that, for the Senate to decline to convict, they'd prefer some sliver of plausibility from the defence.

It's all very well for the GOP to fear the retribution of Trump's base, but I suspect that they are probably quite fickle as a voting block and probably less motivated than the vote that turned out for Biden.

If it were a secret vote; there'd be about 5 votes against Impeachment.

It's insulting to invertebrates to compare them to GOP elected officials; they're more like some bacteria that grows on the scum on top of sewage.

watching the impeachment trial live, the democrats are showing you all the proof needed to hang a dictator, but we already know the outcome..

stemoc wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:59 pm watching the impeachment trial live, the democrats are showing you all the proof needed to hang a dictator, but we already know the outcome..

Big saving for the campaigns for the mid-terms.

The DNC just need to take the footage of the evidence; & the gutless, spinless, offal, not watching the evidence of an attempted coup; & they can put it on a loop in 2022.

Combine that with stirring the pot; & forcing primaries between the incumbents, & the, "Trumpists"; & that's the recipe for success for the DNC. There is no Republican Party anymore; if they don't vote to impeach a Republican President who tried to ignore the vote of the people.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:33 am

stemoc wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:59 pm watching the impeachment trial live, the democrats are showing you all the proof needed to hang a dictator, but we already know the outcome..

Big saving for the campaigns for the mid-terms.

The DNC just need to take the footage of the evidence; & the gutless, spinless, offal, not watching the evidence of an attempted coup; & they can put it on a loop in 2022.

Combine that with stirring the pot; & forcing primaries between the incumbents, & the, "Trumpists"; & that's the recipe for success for the DNC. There is no Republican Party anymore; if they don't vote to impeach a Republican President who tried to ignore the vote of the people.

It's easy to say that's a recipe for success for the Dems but Trump did just garner huge support, and lots of people respond much more as a for instance to the ad of him and a helicopter after heading back to the WH having contracted Covid than any number of pointing out his obvious failings as a human.

That said lots of demographics are moving against the Republicans and who knows what the primaries will deliver, for either party

I'm not sure that Trump's base can be relied upon to turn out, particularly if Trump isn't standing.

I think Trump's messages about the GOP have been conflicted and erratic and there is open hostility within the cult to the Party.

So much for the 4D chess-playing President that Sen and others deemed was playing a long game: Trump is too stupid to understand how to use his followers effectively.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:54 pm Fascinating to see the GOP Senators studiously avoiding watching the evidence being presented.

Trump and his replacement lawyers may feel that they don't have to try too hard because the verdict is probably already in the bag, but I'm inclined to think that, for the Senate to decline to convict, they'd prefer some sliver of plausibility from the defence.

It's all very well for the GOP to fear the retribution of Trump's base, but I suspect that they are probably quite fickle as a voting block and probably less motivated than the vote that turned out for Biden.

Fickle, I suppose so, but it’s based on the idea that they can’t consider themselves to be wrong. If things haven’t worked out exactly how they want them, it’s someone else’s fault - their own representatives, the democrats, or some unseen Jewish elite conspiracy. If you don’t achieve what they want they’ll throw you to the curb. Just like Trump.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:33 am

stemoc wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:59 pm watching the impeachment trial live, the democrats are showing you all the proof needed to hang a dictator, but we already know the outcome..

Big saving for the campaigns for the mid-terms.

The DNC just need to take the footage of the evidence; & the gutless, spinless, offal, not watching the evidence of an attempted coup; & they can put it on a loop in 2022.

Combine that with stirring the pot; & forcing primaries between the incumbents, & the, "Trumpists"; & that's the recipe for success for the DNC. There is no Republican Party anymore; if they don't vote to impeach a Republican President who tried to ignore the vote of the people.

I think you're forgetting two things.

One, the monumental efforts Republican states are taking to suppress the votes of people likely to support the Democrats.

Two, the Democrats innate ability to make a sow's ear out of a silk purse, and to lay a mighty turd on any silver platter handed to them.

Is anyone else wondering why Biden still hasn't spoken to Bibi ?

I've heard the idea that it's because Biden is pissed about them scuppering the Iran deal; & I'm afraid that's; "No Sale".

I've a feeling that Bibi was someone who said, Yes; when he should have said; No; when the shitgibbon was asking for dirt on Biden; & the result was the bullshit dossier on Hunter; or something similar.

There are two Intel agencies I'd go looking to, if I wanted this kind of political slurry; one is the FSB, & the other ........

This boycott seems way too personal. If this was just one politician, marking another politicians card; I'd expect him to have relegated the call below the one to the PLO, or the Iranians themselves; & then made sure the NYT knew that was why it happened.

After watching the mendacious defence offered by Trump’s huckster lawyers, the Senate did at least do one good thing yesterday.

Eugene Goodman, the Capitol police officer who led violent rioters away from lawmakers during the 6 January attack, has been awarded the Congressional Gold Medal by the US Senate.

The Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, called the vote at the end of Friday’s impeachment proceedings, noting Goodman’s “foresight in the midst of chaos, and his willingness to make himself a target of the mob’s rage so that others might reach safety”.

The Senate voted to award Goodman the medal – the highest honor Congress can bestow – by unanimous consent, meaning there were no objections. The medal has traditionally been used to honor military officers for distinguished service.

Even the most venal republicans in the Senate managed to vote in favour.

They're just about to vote...

Guilty 57 - Not Guilty 43

So despite all of the overwhelming evidence of his guilt, Trump has predictably been acquitted, again.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:53 pm Guilty 57 - Not Guilty 43

So despite all of the overwhelming evidence of his guilt, Trump has predictably been acquitted, again.

US Senate fucks up again. No one is surprised.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:04 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:53 pm Guilty 57 - Not Guilty 43

So despite all of the overwhelming evidence of his guilt, Trump has predictably been acquitted, again.

US Senate fucks up again. No one is surprised.

It will come and bite these Republicans on the arse. It will

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:05 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:04 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:53 pm Guilty 57 - Not Guilty 43

So despite all of the overwhelming evidence of his guilt, Trump has predictably been acquitted, again.

US Senate fucks up again. No one is surprised.

It will come and bite these Republicans on the arse. It will

How so?

After the Senate rendered its final verdict, McConnell condemned Trump's behaviour and said he engaged in a "disgraceful dereliction of duty."

"There's no question that president Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day," McConnell said, after he had voted not guilty.

He's just biding his time until the Republicans win back the Senate and he can go back to piling bills up on his desk and smiling a shit eating grin as he thwarts the Democrats, as a faint stirring in his loins occurs.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:55 pm After the Senate rendered its final verdict, McConnell condemned Trump's behaviour and said he engaged in a "disgraceful dereliction of duty."

"There's no question that president Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day," McConnell said, after he had voted not guilty.

Welcome to the parallel universe of GOP (Geriatric Obstinate Pricks)

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:15 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:55 pm After the Senate rendered its final verdict, McConnell condemned Trump's behaviour and said he engaged in a "disgraceful dereliction of duty."

"There's no question that president Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day," McConnell said, after he had voted not guilty.

Welcome to the parallel universe of GOP (Geriatric Obstinate Pricks)

Yep.

sturginho wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:09 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:05 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:04 pm

US Senate fucks up again. No one is surprised.

It will come and bite these Republicans on the arse. It will

How so?

Because the evidence against Trump was sufficiently overwhelming that the vote to acquit can be seen as an endorsement of wrongdoing dependent on tribal allegiances rather than fairness and justice.

While this may be the expected result, it doesn't show the system in a good light. Moreover, it ensures that there is virtually nothing that a sitting President cannot do provided he has the support of one-third of the senate.

If republicans believe that this will unite the party, I fear that they are about to be disabused and there is a strong likelihood that the party will split into the Party of Trump and the rump (if you'll excuse me).

I suspect that there will be other attempts on the Capitol by Trump's supporters although, probably none as overt as Jan 6th.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:45 am

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:15 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:55 pm After the Senate rendered its final verdict, McConnell condemned Trump's behaviour and said he engaged in a "disgraceful dereliction of duty."

"There's no question that president Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day," McConnell said, after he had voted not guilty.

Welcome to the parallel universe of GOP (Geriatric Obstinate Pricks)

Yep.

The Gutless Old Pricks have enabled the MAGAverse to prevail again, and America is further diminished. Sad.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:29 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:45 am

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:15 am

Welcome to the parallel universe of GOP (Geriatric Obstinate Pricks)

Yep.

The Gutless Old Pricks have enabled the MAGAverse to prevail again, and America is further diminished. Sad.

I don't think there's any question, rather than making America Great Again, Trump's tenure has weakened the US immeasurably.

While Biden may be able to repair some of the damage, Trump has split society asunder forcing it into mutually antagonistic camps and fostering distrust in the conduits of information and the rise of channels of misinformation.

"a shining city on a hill"

"the north star"

lol

Whilst the rest of the world gets on with Spanish Flu cosplay, the Americans have decided to re-enact the Civil War.

Trump is going to have a big chapter devoted to him in the definitive tome on The Decline and Fall of The American Empire.

sturginho wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:09 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:05 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:04 pm

US Senate fucks up again. No one is surprised.

It will come and bite these Republicans on the arse. It will

How so?

We're now going to have months, & months of Federal trials; including, hopefully, a trial for the Murder of a Police Officer; & the accused will all be asked what brought them to that place; & I'd expect them all to contradict the, judgement, of the GOP.

The people who were the foot soldiers of the coup are going to blame the same GOP scumbags who voted for acquittal; but didn't challenge the months of lies of Election Fraud, that brought an angry mob to the steps of the Capitol !

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:15 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:55 pm After the Senate rendered its final verdict, McConnell condemned Trump's behaviour and said he engaged in a "disgraceful dereliction of duty."

"There's no question that president Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day," McConnell said, after he had voted not guilty.

Welcome to the parallel universe of GOP (Geriatric Obstinate Pricks)

I quite like the “GQP” moniker...it’s apt, and it’s easy to modify any printed posters etc with it

including, hopefully, a trial for the Murder of a Police Officer

Looking increasingly unlikely.

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:14 pm

including, hopefully, a trial for the Murder of a Police Officer

Looking increasingly unlikely.

I'd be very, very surprised if there isn't one; but I think the Feds will know they have to get it right;& they daren't fuck it up.

It I had to guess; I'd say the most likely suspects were in the first raft of photos the Feds posted as wanted; & most of them are already identified & in custody on holding charges

For the Dems, Trump just keeps on giving. I don’t see the Republicans recovering from this for a long time.

Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:17 pm For the Dems, Trump just keeps on giving. I don’t see the Republicans recovering from this for a long time.

He can't help himself, but to always be a cunt.

Anyone who voted for impeachment will now get challenged in the primaries; & he'll continue to fundraise; so he can loot this money; & he'll alienate a lot of the big businesses that would donate to the GOP; or else force them to make a decision between giving to the nutters, or the rump; or the comparatively sensible DNC.

In the meanwhile the nutters will pander to his base; by trying to be the most extreme candidate; in a descent to bottom; & every step will further alienate the independents; & drive a bigger wedge between the traditional GOP, & the Trumpists .... & then the cunt will die, & they'll lose their figurehead, & they'll all be screwed.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:47 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:14 pm

including, hopefully, a trial for the Murder of a Police Officer

Looking increasingly unlikely.

I'd be very, very surprised if there isn't one; but I think the Feds will know they have to get it right;& they daren't fuck it up.

It I had to guess; I'd say the most likely suspects were in the first raft of photos the Feds posted as wanted; & most of them are already identified & in custody on holding charges

I think with what's being reported (although some of it unconfirmed) - no evidence of blunt force trauma, him returning to his office, texting his brother and telling him he was fine - that a trial is unlikely as it appears that he wasn't murdered and possibly at worst suffered an allergic reaction to some king of pepper spray.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:45 pm

Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:17 pm For the Dems, Trump just keeps on giving. I don’t see the Republicans recovering from this for a long time.

He can't help himself, but to always be a cunt.

Anyone who voted for impeachment will now get challenged in the primaries; & he'll continue to fundraise; so he can loot this money; & he'll alienate a lot of the big businesses that would donate to the GOP; or else force them to make a decision between giving to the nutters, or the rump; or the comparatively sensible DNC.

In the meanwhile the nutters will pander to his base; by trying to be the most extreme candidate; in a descent to bottom; & every step will further alienate the independents; & drive a bigger wedge between the traditional GOP, & the Trumpists .... & then the cunt will die, & they'll lose their figurehead, & they'll all be screwed.

DJTJ reckons that he is the natural successor to his father but that is not going to happen.

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:08 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:47 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:14 pm

Looking increasingly unlikely.

I'd be very, very surprised if there isn't one; but I think the Feds will know they have to get it right;& they daren't fuck it up.

It I had to guess; I'd say the most likely suspects were in the first raft of photos the Feds posted as wanted; & most of them are already identified & in custody on holding charges

I think with what's being reported (although some of it unconfirmed) - no evidence of blunt force trauma, him returning to his office, texting his brother and telling him he was fine - that a trial is unlikely as it appears that he wasn't murdered and possibly at worst suffered an allergic reaction to some king of pepper spray.

It doesn't matter how long the gap between the action, & the death; (there have been cases where victims have died after years in coma, & the assailant was subsequently charged with murder); what matters is the cause of death after the autopsy. The phrase used by Law enforcement in his case was; “passed away due to injuries sustained while on duty.”

In other words; if he hadn't been assaulted; he'd still be alive today; & that's all that matters. It's common enough for head injuries to not initially appear to be severe enough to mean that a person is immediately treated; & yet still prove fatal.

Fair enough but as far as I'm aware the only reason that murder was alleged in the first place was because it was reported he was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, which doesn't seem to be the case. I'm not even sure that anyone knows where that allegation came from.

Democrat Congressman Bennie Thompson is now suing Donald and Rudy for the Jan 6th riots

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:17 pm Democrat Congressman Bennie Thompson is now suing Donald and Rudy for the Jan 6th riots

On what basis? In terms of having standing to bring the case, or is this just about getting their name some media time?

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:57 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:17 pm Democrat Congressman Bennie Thompson is now suing Donald and Rudy for the Jan 6th riots

On what basis? In terms of having standing to bring the case, or is this just about getting their name some media time?

The lawsuit, filed on Thompson's behalf by the NAACP and the civil rights law firm Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll, accuses Trump and the other defendants of violating the 1871 Ku Klux Klan Act by trying to interfere in Congress' certification of the Electoral College count. The legislation was part of a series of Enforcement Acts at the time intended to protect the enfranchisement of Black citizens from violence and intimidation.

That's looks like a pretty strong case to me !

Trump attacking McConnell as "a dour, sullen and unsmiling political hack".

For once, I can't see much to disagree with him on that.

Would that his vernacular was that measured while he was in office.