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Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:33 am

Gumboot wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:26 am If the Feds case against her is as strong as it looks, does she have any other choice than to try and get a plea deal?

I assume her defence will revolve around coercion and her inability to get a fair trial.

Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:37 am

frodder wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:29 pm Piers Morgan is posting like mad on Twitter about all this. Getting a little defensive over his past

New guy wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:49 pm I think we can all agree on one thing, Piers is almost certainly innocent.

If you had your own island, would you be inviting Piers Morgan to come over for the weekend? I think not.

Northern Lights wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:28 am

Ymx wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:24 am How old was the girl who accused him of sleeping with her?

Was she an illegal age in the jurisdiction it took place?

On Netflix it wasnt just 1, it was multiple and some sub 15 from what i remember. Dont know if that is what she is charged with though

dpedin wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:29 pm Is this not the reason to why the prosecutor Berman was summarily sacked by Barr last month? Barr will have his own man in there to make sure the prosecution never touches the sides!

New guy wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:06 am

CrazyIslander wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:04 am Does royalty save Andy? Don't think the Brits will allow him to be extradited.

I doubt even die hard Royals care about that piece of shit Andrew. The Queen may not like it but if there is irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing I'm not sure how they can wriggle out of it. Possibly claim diplomatic immunity but it would be a terrible look for the RF.

Honestly they should just feed him to the lions at this point. Fuck him.

notfatcat wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:35 am

Hugo wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:05 pm Hopefully we can now get some clarity on the extent of Epstein's ring.

Just ask one of the girls who gave him a massage.

Thor Sedan wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:18 pm Loving eric trump making a complete tool of himself tweeting out a photo of the evil b***h at the Clinton wedding with the caption 'Birds of a feather....'

Only to be pounced on by the twitter mob with the numerous photos of daddy trump hanging out with them as well.

Ol' eric really is a dense lump isn't he.

Caley_Red wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:51 am Interesting response in the Speccie from Alan Dershowitz: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ell-i-know

He's adamant that he's done nothing wrong and has submitted evidence to attest to his innocence with regards to the Giuffre accusations. Actually pretty convincing in demonstrating outright falsehoods and inconsistencies in the accusations.

Hugo wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:57 am

Caley_Red wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:51 am Interesting response in the Speccie from Alan Dershowitz: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ell-i-know

He's adamant that he's done nothing wrong and has submitted evidence to attest to his innocence with regards to the Giuffre accusations. Actually pretty convincing in demonstrating outright falsehoods and inconsistencies in the accusations.

Dershowitz is full of it. If he is sure of her innocence why is he even invoking the statute of limitations or bringing up the fact that she might have immunity from Epstein's plea deal? If she didn't do anything wrong why was that provision even in the deal?

The deal that Epstein got from the Florida state prosecutors was an insult. The actual crime that he even copped to was a really low level offense considering what he had actually done and he only had to post $3,000 bail. He wasn't even really imprisoned, he was free to go to his attorney's office, go home etc. and then just had to report back to that low security prison.

The Palm Beach PD (and the victims) were kept in the dark about the nature of the deal and in the first instance the prosecutors were not even co-operative with the Palm Beach Police Dept. or communicative with them. That is why the Police Chief wrote to the feds asking them to get involved because he did not feel that the states attorney was doing his job or being honest with him. He made dozens of calls to the state attorney that went unreturned.

Even if the Florida state attorney had done a proper job Epstein's team was an expensively assembled dream team that had unlimited resources to thwart a successful prosecution. They did underhand stuff like hiring lawyers to work for him that had associations with some of the government's lawyers so that they had to then excuse themselves from the prosecution due to potential conflicts of interest. They had private investigators tailing the police investigators, intimidating victims, going through their trash, stalking them. Epstein's was a classic case of someone avoiding accountability because they are wealthy and well connected.

SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:37 pm Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:54 pm The apple didn't fall far from the tree, he just lacks his father's hustling skills to cover up.

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:48 pm

SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:37 pm Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

New guy wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:32 pm

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:48 pm

SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:37 pm Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

Maybe I'm a prude, but something doesn't seem right about a 30/40 year old man sleeping with a teenager, regardless of the age of consent.

Its especially creepy when its somebody in a position of power.

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:41 pm

New guy wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:32 pm

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:48 pm

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

Maybe I'm a prude, but something doesn't seem right about a 30/40 year old man sleeping with a teenager, regardless of the age of consent.

Its especially creepy when its somebody in a position of power.

But not illegal if it's age of consent.

New guy wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:02 pm

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:41 pm

New guy wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:32 pm

Maybe I'm a prude, but something doesn't seem right about a 30/40 year old man sleeping with a teenager, regardless of the age of consent.

Its especially creepy when its somebody in a position of power.

But not illegal if it's age of consent.

Sure. I'd still strip him of his titles though.

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:56 pm

New guy wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:02 pm

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:41 pm
But not illegal if it's age of consent.

Sure. I'd still strip him of his titles though.

Fine, but you'd have to fvck Fergie too.

notfatcat wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:37 pm

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:56 pm

New guy wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:02 pm

Sure. I'd still strip him of his titles though.

Fine, but you'd have to fvck Fergie too.

Deal!

New guy wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:32 pm

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:48 pm

SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:37 pm Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

Maybe I'm a prude, but something doesn't seem right about a 30/40 year old man sleeping with a teenager, regardless of the age of consent.

Its especially creepy when its somebody in a position of power.

CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:48 pm

SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:37 pm Good column from Marina Hyde
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ce-andrew

Yeah it's a good article. However it mentioned the girl who Andy was with as 17 yrs old. I can sympathise with Andy not making the distinction between 17/18 yrs old.

Hugo wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:57 am

Caley_Red wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:51 am Interesting response in the Speccie from Alan Dershowitz: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ell-i-know

He's adamant that he's done nothing wrong and has submitted evidence to attest to his innocence with regards to the Giuffre accusations. Actually pretty convincing in demonstrating outright falsehoods and inconsistencies in the accusations.

Dershowitz is full of it. If he is sure of her innocence why is he even invoking the statute of limitations or bringing up the fact that she might have immunity from Epstein's plea deal? If she didn't do anything wrong why was that provision even in the deal?

The deal that Epstein got from the Florida state prosecutors was an insult. The actual crime that he even copped to was a really low level offense considering what he had actually done and he only had to post $3,000 bail. He wasn't even really imprisoned, he was free to go to his attorney's office, go home etc. and then just had to report back to that low security prison.

The Palm Beach PD (and the victims) were kept in the dark about the nature of the deal and in the first instance the prosecutors were not even co-operative with the Palm Beach Police Dept. or communicative with them. That is why the Police Chief wrote to the feds asking them to get involved because he did not feel that the states attorney was doing his job or being honest with him. He made dozens of calls to the state attorney that went unreturned.

Even if the Florida state attorney had done a proper job Epstein's team was an expensively assembled dream team that had unlimited resources to thwart a successful prosecution. They did underhand stuff like hiring lawyers to work for him that had associations with some of the government's lawyers so that they had to then excuse themselves from the prosecution due to potential conflicts of interest. They had private investigators tailing the police investigators, intimidating victims, going through their trash, stalking them. Epstein's was a classic case of someone avoiding accountability because they are wealthy and well connected.