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SaintK wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:19 pm

Mr Tim Buktoo wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:40 pm 210.9 at the local today. Some of these feckers are properly taking the piss. Upping the price before they actually have to pay that price to thier suppliers.

Isn't that what all the major retailers do?
Certainly the EG group garages around me have been by far the most expensive for weeks now. First above 150, 160 and now 170.........and rising!

It always took a while for these shocks to filter down to the price at the pumps. That is what we are always told and its my experience also. Oil would have been bought in weeks ago at a certain price so it shouldnt be that quick a jump at the pumps.?
Literally a couple of days. Maybe they are pricing in having to ration or something!

Monk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:20 pm less people flying and driving is good

If you have to do if for your livelihood then its not so good.

Monk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:20 pm less people flying and driving is good

Undoubtedly. So I look forward to the government using this as a real opportunity to get people on trains by lowering prices and making it easier and more comfortable.

Monk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:20 pm less people flying and driving is good

Grandpa wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:17 pm

Enzedder wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:07 pm £1.46 per litre at the nearest station. If I go across town to the "poorer" areas it's about £1.40 equivalent.

Are these NZ prices in pounds? They are almost the same as the UK... usually they are about half the price?

No, that's a loose conversion so give or take 5p.

Prices are way higher in Auckland and Wellington though, and in outlying areas. (I guess because of regional taxes and because they earn more)

This came up on my Facebook feed today and I shit myself



Then I learned it was an error - for now

Apparently Boris has a plan to sort this out. No doubt oven-ready and World beating.

Mr Tim Buktoo wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:36 pm

SaintK wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:19 pm

Mr Tim Buktoo wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:40 pm 210.9 at the local today. Some of these feckers are properly taking the piss. Upping the price before they actually have to pay that price to thier suppliers.

Isn't that what all the major retailers do?
Certainly the EG group garages around me have been by far the most expensive for weeks now. First above 150, 160 and now 170.........and rising!

It always took a while for these shocks to filter down to the price at the pumps. That is what we are always told and its my experience also. Oil would have been bought in weeks ago at a certain price so it shouldnt be that quick a jump at the pumps.?
Literally a couple of days. Maybe they are pricing in having to ration or something!

Supply chains have been massively shortened over the past twenty years or so, so I’d expect the impact to come through more quickly in the modern economy.

Enzedder wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:02 am This came up on my Facebook feed today and I shit myself

Then I learned it was an error - for now

95 at $3.05 was enough of a shock for me

GogLais wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:52 am Apparently Boris has a plan to sort this out. No doubt oven-ready and World beating.

Probably something to do with North Sea oil and fracking. Last century's power tech.

Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:11 pm

GogLais wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:52 am Apparently Boris has a plan to sort this out. No doubt oven-ready and World beating.

Probably something to do with North Sea oil and fracking. Last century's power tech.

Bowland Shale formation.
estimated at between 800- 2200 trillion cf of gas with approx 25tcf recoverable

Monk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:20 pm less people flying and driving is good

Its not till you look at the flight tracker that you realise quite how many planes are actually in the air.




Why does this place keep giving me US English prompts?

Brother needs heating oil. Up from 52p/litre in December to £1.05 today. Boilerjuice not accepting orders anymore...

Glaston wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:00 pm

Monk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:20 pm less people flying and driving is good

Its not till you look at the flight tracker that you realise quite how many planes are actually in the air.




Why does this place keep giving me US English prompts?

Just the next phase of our master plan to civilize (and no, I don't mean civilise) the rest of you.

So dust off those "z" keys (that's "zee" by the way) and you can forget about all those redundant u's while you're at it.

And "aluminium"? GTFO

I had no idea until recently that zed is also Russian for cunt.

Gumboot wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:41 pm I had no idea until recently that zed is also Russian for cunt.

TB63 wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 5:24 pm Brother needs heating oil. Up from 52p/litre in December to £1.05 today. Boilerjuice not accepting orders anymore...

We can't even get quotes from our supplier. We have just ordered and we will know what it costs when it gets here.

My office's boiler is oil fired, the tank ran dry last week so it looks like we got lucky with the refill.

Massively unlucky with the environmental disaster that is an oil fired boiler tied to a building that is ancient and listed so can have zero insulation installed anywhere (when the wind gets up it comes through the window frame in my room - sash windows are the absolute worst).

UAE agrees to increase production. Oil price drops...


of course, this will be reflected by retail prices straight away, yeah?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60680787

Oil prices have plunged after the United Arab Emirates (UAE) said it supported increasing production.

Brent crude, an international benchmark, fell more than 17% at one point after the statement by the UAE, a member of the powerful oil cartel Opec.

The fall follows weeks of skyrocketing prices due to fears of supply disruptions sparked by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Fonz wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:05 pm

Glaston wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:00 pm

Monk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:20 pm less people flying and driving is good

Its not till you look at the flight tracker that you realise quite how many planes are actually in the air.




Why does this place keep giving me US English prompts?

Just the next phase of our master plan to civilize (and no, I don't mean civilise) the rest of you.

So dust off those "z" keys (that's "zee" by the way) and you can forget about all those redundant u's while you're at it.

And "aluminium"? GTFO

One thing you guys certainly got right was to rid your nation of this practice / practise bullshit.

Vaporise the s and it's practice all the way. Nice.

Fonz wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:05 pm

Glaston wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:00 pm

Monk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:20 pm less people flying and driving is good

Its not till you look at the flight tracker that you realise quite how many planes are actually in the air.




Why does this place keep giving me US English prompts?

Just the next phase of our master plan to civilize (and no, I don't mean civilise) the rest of you.

So dust off those "z" keys (that's "zee" by the way) and you can forget about all those redundant u's while you're at it.

And "aluminium"? GTFO

Zebra... Zeebra...nah..

Did a casual EV spot on the drive to work, in 13 miles I saw

Several Renault Zoes
Three Nissan Leafs
VW ID3
Hyundai Ioniq (saloon/lift back windknife version)
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Audi e-tron (fat boy version)
Mercedes-Benz EQC
Kia e-Niro
Peugeot e-2008
LEVC Taxi (charging at Lidl)
Polestar 2 (being driven like an absolute twat, leading me to believe it was a company car and he previously drove an Audi or BMW...)
Many Tesla Model 3s
Porsche Taycan

Guy Smiley wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:52 am UAE agrees to increase production. Oil price drops...


of course, this will be reflected by retail prices straight away, yeah?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60680787

Oil prices have plunged after the United Arab Emirates (UAE) said it supported increasing production.

Brent crude, an international benchmark, fell more than 17% at one point after the statement by the UAE, a member of the powerful oil cartel Opec.

The fall follows weeks of skyrocketing prices due to fears of supply disruptions sparked by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Prices at the pumps still going up! At least here in the UK...

Yup... and the oil price is back to the mark it was at at the start of March...

https://markets.businessinsider.com/com ... /oil-price

Guy Smiley wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:52 am UAE agrees to increase production. Oil price drops...


of course, this will be reflected by retail prices straight away, yeah?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60680787

Oil prices have plunged after the United Arab Emirates (UAE) said it supported increasing production.

Brent crude, an international benchmark, fell more than 17% at one point after the statement by the UAE, a member of the powerful oil cartel Opec.

The fall follows weeks of skyrocketing prices due to fears of supply disruptions sparked by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

UAE's made a nice, healthy dividend off the crisis, now it can look like the good guys by upping the flow of spice.

weegie01 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:15 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:51 pm Vlad's doing wonders for the renewable energy sector...

and probably the opposite for nuclear.

My wood pellet price has gone up £30 per ton in the last 4 months, or about £300 per annum compared to our normal £2k.

Demand has shot up (no shit Sherlock) and that is driving prices.

I have been considering strapping a log burner alongside the pellet burner as we have essentially limitless logs from our woods. The pay back period is long, but if prices keep rising the economics may change enough to make it worthwhile.

Next tank of oil for the Aga is going to hurt .

I have just ordered a load of wood pellets. Now up by over £60 per ton (25%) since December.

I am off to look at log burners.

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:10 pm Did a casual EV spot on the drive to work, in 13 miles I saw

Several Renault Zoes
Three Nissan Leafs
VW ID3
Hyundai Ioniq (saloon/lift back windknife version)
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Audi e-tron (fat boy version)
Mercedes-Benz EQC
Kia e-Niro
Peugeot e-2008
LEVC Taxi (charging at Lidl)
Polestar 2 (being driven like an absolute twat, leading me to believe it was a company car and he previously drove an Audi or BMW...)
Many Tesla Model 3s
Porsche Taycan

I have just test driven a Peugeot E2008 really nice and futuristic but only 180 miles range and about 37k - electrics army going to really take off until they have come down by 25 - 30%

Has anyone got one has experience of owning one or has recommendations?

weegie01 wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:09 pm

weegie01 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:15 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:51 pm Vlad's doing wonders for the renewable energy sector...

and probably the opposite for nuclear.

My wood pellet price has gone up £30 per ton in the last 4 months, or about £300 per annum compared to our normal £2k.

Demand has shot up (no shit Sherlock) and that is driving prices.

I have been considering strapping a log burner alongside the pellet burner as we have essentially limitless logs from our woods. The pay back period is long, but if prices keep rising the economics may change enough to make it worthwhile.

Next tank of oil for the Aga is going to hurt .

I have just ordered a load of wood pellets. Now up by over £60 per ton (25%) since December.

I am off to look at log burners.

We have two one small one in the entrance hall and a large Nordpeis one in our sitting room. Bizarrely the small one turns the house into a sauna in about 5 mins whereas the big one doesn’t churn heat out but if you get the burn right will last all night.

Openside wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:28 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:10 pm Did a casual EV spot on the drive to work, in 13 miles I saw

Several Renault Zoes
Three Nissan Leafs
VW ID3
Hyundai Ioniq (saloon/lift back windknife version)
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Audi e-tron (fat boy version)
Mercedes-Benz EQC
Kia e-Niro
Peugeot e-2008
LEVC Taxi (charging at Lidl)
Polestar 2 (being driven like an absolute twat, leading me to believe it was a company car and he previously drove an Audi or BMW...)
Many Tesla Model 3s
Porsche Taycan

I have just test driven a Peugeot E2008 really nice and futuristic but only 180 miles range and about 37k - electrics army going to really take off until they have come down by 25 - 30%

Has anyone got one has experience of owning one or has recommendations?

Afraid not, I’m in the same sort of situation. The idea of paying even £20k for a car that can only go say 75 miles away from home on a winter’s day is a non-starter. My long trips are usually for hill walks and the like in remote parts of Snowdonia. Of course the eco answer is I should give up my walks.

GogLais wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:00 pm

Openside wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:28 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:10 pm Did a casual EV spot on the drive to work, in 13 miles I saw

Several Renault Zoes
Three Nissan Leafs
VW ID3
Hyundai Ioniq (saloon/lift back windknife version)
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Audi e-tron (fat boy version)
Mercedes-Benz EQC
Kia e-Niro
Peugeot e-2008
LEVC Taxi (charging at Lidl)
Polestar 2 (being driven like an absolute twat, leading me to believe it was a company car and he previously drove an Audi or BMW...)
Many Tesla Model 3s
Porsche Taycan

I have just test driven a Peugeot E2008 really nice and futuristic but only 180 miles range and about 37k - electrics army going to really take off until they have come down by 25 - 30%

Has anyone got one has experience of owning one or has recommendations?

Afraid not, I’m in the same sort of situation. The idea of paying even £20k for a car that can only go say 75 miles away from home on a winter’s day is a non-starter. My long trips are usually for hill walks and the like in remote parts of Snowdonia. Of course the eco answer is I should give up my walks.

Two car household but still reluctant to spend so much on a vehicle with such limitations.

Openside wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:31 pm

weegie01 wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:09 pm

weegie01 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:15 pm
My wood pellet price has gone up £30 per ton in the last 4 months, or about £300 per annum compared to our normal £2k.

Demand has shot up (no shit Sherlock) and that is driving prices.

I have been considering strapping a log burner alongside the pellet burner as we have essentially limitless logs from our woods. The pay back period is long, but if prices keep rising the economics may change enough to make it worthwhile.

Next tank of oil for the Aga is going to hurt .

I have just ordered a load of wood pellets. Now up by over £60 per ton (25%) since December.

I am off to look at log burners.

We have two one small one in the entrance hall and a large Nordpeis one in our sitting room. Bizarrely the small one turns the house into a sauna in about 5 mins whereas the big one doesn’t churn heat out but if you get the burn right will last all night.

I should have said wood fired boilers, not burners.

We are similar as far as the wood burners go. We have a Stovax inset in the sitting room which churns out an absurd amount of heat. Similarly we have a Charnwood in the dining room which melts the place at full chat.

In the open plan back area we have a Dovre that cost more than the other two put together. Supposed to be the most powerful in the house and is not by a margin.

But the three of them running hard heat the entire house along with the Aga when the pellet boiler breaks down.

You got room for a batch burner and heat store? If you have, might be able to advise you..

What would Greta say about all this log burning epeen?








Or is she OK with burning wood?




Years ago lived in a farm cottage with a Rayburn, hot water was close to boiling throughout the winter. I would have to run the hot taps just to add cold water to the system.

We have 2 multi fuel stoves which work a treat but still need the gas ch to keep all the house warm.
I suspect the underfloor heating in the Conservatory is mega expensive and kept on all winter.

Openside wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:28 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:10 pm Did a casual EV spot on the drive to work, in 13 miles I saw

Several Renault Zoes
Three Nissan Leafs
VW ID3
Hyundai Ioniq (saloon/lift back windknife version)
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Audi e-tron (fat boy version)
Mercedes-Benz EQC
Kia e-Niro
Peugeot e-2008
LEVC Taxi (charging at Lidl)
Polestar 2 (being driven like an absolute twat, leading me to believe it was a company car and he previously drove an Audi or BMW...)
Many Tesla Model 3s
Porsche Taycan

I have just test driven a Peugeot E2008 really nice and futuristic but only 180 miles range and about 37k - electrics army going to really take off until they have come down by 25 - 30%

Has anyone got one has experience of owning one or has recommendations?

My recommendation is not to get a car which is basically an ICE platform with batteries stuffed in it, and is effectively Stellantis' first proper stab at an EV.

See also:

Stellantis badge engineered clones
BMW iX3/i4/upcoming iX2
Mercedes SUV offerings
Lexus UX - absolute crap range, with charging speeds from 5 years ago, plus Chademo
Oddly not the MG offerings, though
MINI EV

If you're not buying, ignore the sticker price and look at monthly costs of EV vs ICE. You'll be surprised at just how much you pay to keep an ICE moving, let alone in good maintenance.

GogLais, true enough about older EVs having short ranges, but it's not helped by the Welsh Assembly not putting any chargers in and throwing money at those idiots at Riversimple instead.

Not just fuel, UK inflation now over 6%

Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:59 pm

Openside wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:28 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:10 pm Did a casual EV spot on the drive to work, in 13 miles I saw

Several Renault Zoes
Three Nissan Leafs
VW ID3
Hyundai Ioniq (saloon/lift back windknife version)
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Audi e-tron (fat boy version)
Mercedes-Benz EQC
Kia e-Niro
Peugeot e-2008
LEVC Taxi (charging at Lidl)
Polestar 2 (being driven like an absolute twat, leading me to believe it was a company car and he previously drove an Audi or BMW...)
Many Tesla Model 3s
Porsche Taycan

I have just test driven a Peugeot E2008 really nice and futuristic but only 180 miles range and about 37k - electrics army going to really take off until they have come down by 25 - 30%

Has anyone got one has experience of owning one or has recommendations?

My recommendation is not to get a car which is basically an ICE platform with batteries stuffed in it, and is effectively Stellantis' first proper stab at an EV.


GogLais, true enough about older EVs having short ranges, but it's not helped by the Welsh Assembly not putting any chargers in and throwing money at those idiots at Riversimple instead.

Good advice re EVs designed from scratch. I’d never heard of Stellantis, or if I had I’d forgotten.
At the least I want a a car that can get me to Snowdonia - approx 180 mile round trip - without it being essential to top up on the way home. I’m not expecting there to be a charger at the far end of Cwm Pennant or somewhere equally remote. So with a bit of slack I’m after at least 250 mile range.

Glaston wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:04 am What would Greta say about all this log burning epeen?
:lol

I get a bit irritated by the dishonesty in much of biomass burning.

There is a biomass electrical generator near us. They boast that they are net zero as every tree felled to feed their furnaces is balanced by replanting.

But the trees are 30 to 60 years old. For every tree they fell, the new tree will only compensate for the CO2 released when it is the same age as the one felled I.e. in decades time. Then the cycle starts again so there is always a deficit.

I am 66. The trees I am felling / will fell have a combined age of over 2,000 years. I am going to plant 400 trees so hopefully by the time I die I'll be at least net zero on my firewood.

I worked out that we use the equivalent of 13 to 14 tons (6 to 7 cords) of wood a year between logs, pellets and oil. To generate enough wood every year would take 6 acres assuming at least one is mature.

For one (albeit large Victorian) house.