NPR

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:27 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:26 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:00 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:43 pm It's ridiculous to suggest we get away with stuff at the breakdown more than anyone else (on average).
No it isn't. You only have to glance at the breakdown to see Irish players cheating. It's endemic.
This.

The European games were reffed properly and we saw the results. I think we all hoped that was refs finally growing balls and being directed to focus on the cheating but the weekend suggests it was just a one off, sadly.

You're using the final as your proof?

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:28 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:24 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:05 pm Regardless of the truth of the matter, there's no way this is a "NZ used to get it, now we're getting it because we're number one" scenario. Ireland's approach to the breakdown and "success" has been a topic of much debate for a long time, well before Ireland got good.
So what's your timeframe for that?

But whether you want to admit it or not, there's been far more biased, negative comments against Ireland over the last year or two than before. Generally posters try to be positive about weaker teams and are negative against stronger teams. Scotland, in particular, get so much leeway in this regard.

Ireland have consistently been one of the best disciplined teams over the last 10 years. You think every single ref is wrong and you're right?

Nah, that's bollocks, you don't get nearly as much reaction to SA or France, for instance.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:28 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:27 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:26 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:00 pm

No it isn't. You only have to glance at the breakdown to see Irish players cheating. It's endemic.
This.

The European games were reffed properly and we saw the results. I think we all hoped that was refs finally growing balls and being directed to focus on the cheating but the weekend suggests it was just a one off, sadly.
You're using the final as your proof?

Yes

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:33 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:28 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:27 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:26 pm

This.

The European games were reffed properly and we saw the results. I think we all hoped that was refs finally growing balls and being directed to focus on the cheating but the weekend suggests it was just a one off, sadly.
You're using the final as your proof?
Yes

Well that's a bit stupid.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:34 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:28 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:24 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:05 pm Regardless of the truth of the matter, there's no way this is a "NZ used to get it, now we're getting it because we're number one" scenario. Ireland's approach to the breakdown and "success" has been a topic of much debate for a long time, well before Ireland got good.
So what's your timeframe for that?

But whether you want to admit it or not, there's been far more biased, negative comments against Ireland over the last year or two than before. Generally posters try to be positive about weaker teams and are negative against stronger teams. Scotland, in particular, get so much leeway in this regard.

Ireland have consistently been one of the best disciplined teams over the last 10 years. You think every single ref is wrong and you're right?
Nah, that's bollocks, you don't get nearly as much reaction to SA or France, for instance.

SA don't get any reaction?

There aren't a huge amount of French posters so not much point.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:34 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:33 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:28 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:27 pm

You're using the final as your proof?
Yes
Well that's a bit stupid.

I don't know, i reckon an example of an Irish team being reffed correctly at the breakdown and not being able to deal with it is pretty good.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:36 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:34 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:33 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:28 pm

Yes
Well that's a bit stupid.
I don't know, i reckon an example of an Irish team being reffed correctly at the breakdown and not being able to deal with it is pretty good.

That had absolutely nothing to do with it and actually does LAR a disservice to suggest so.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:36 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:34 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:28 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:24 pm

So what's your timeframe for that?

But whether you want to admit it or not, there's been far more biased, negative comments against Ireland over the last year or two than before. Generally posters try to be positive about weaker teams and are negative against stronger teams. Scotland, in particular, get so much leeway in this regard.

Ireland have consistently been one of the best disciplined teams over the last 10 years. You think every single ref is wrong and you're right?
Nah, that's bollocks, you don't get nearly as much reaction to SA or France, for instance.
SA don't get any reaction?

There aren't a huge amount of French posters so not much point.

We are specifically talking about the breakdown. Remember?

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:37 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:36 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:34 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:33 pm

Well that's a bit stupid.
I don't know, i reckon an example of an Irish team being reffed correctly at the breakdown and not being able to deal with it is pretty good.
That had absolutely nothing to do with it and actually does LAR a disservice to suggest so.

Is it my turn to use laughing thingys?

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:38 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:37 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:28 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:27 pm

You're using the final as your proof?
Yes
That isn't what happened in the final. You do know made up not liking us isn't going to make the WC bumming any easier

Aha! It's not made up not liking you.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:47 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:42 pm You are making shit up to aid you not liking us. Torq at least admits to not even watching us. He just vibes that we are wrong doing. You are claiming to have seen it live with your eyes. Just own your hatred and that will later dilute my laughter

I totally understand Torq though, I hate you so much I'm not going to watch you anymore either and rely on my previous hate to keep the fire fed as I upgrade to despise. Let's see how your laughter copes with that.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:48 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:37 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:36 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:34 pm

I don't know, i reckon an example of an Irish team being reffed correctly at the breakdown and not being able to deal with it is pretty good.
That had absolutely nothing to do with it and actually does LAR a disservice to suggest so.
Is it my turn to use laughing thingys?

The penalty count was 11/8. We got plenty of turnovers at the breakdown even with LAR's constant onslaught, which is why we were still in it at the end. LAR beat us by being relentless and efficient, putting pressure on our exits and forcing us into our shell. The reffing at the breakdown had little effect on the result and was reffed no different to any other game (with the usual missed stuff for both sides).

The way to beat Ireland and Leinster is that template, going hard at the ruck and not giving any clean ball while being efficient in the carry. It's a slur to suggest LAR only won because of the ref (but happy to go with that line if you really want?).

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:51 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:48 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:37 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:36 pm

That had absolutely nothing to do with it and actually does LAR a disservice to suggest so.
Is it my turn to use laughing thingys?
The penalty count was 11/8. We got plenty of turnovers at the breakdown even with LAR's constant onslaught, which is why we were still in it at the end. LAR beat us by being relentless and efficient, putting pressure on our exits and forcing us into our shell. The reffing at the breakdown had little effect on the result and was reffed no different to any other game (with the usual missed stuff for both sides).

The way to beat Ireland and Leinster is that template, going hard at the ruck and not giving any clean ball while being efficient in the carry. It's a slur to suggest LAR only won because of the ref (but happy to go with that line if you really want?).

An impressive amount of made up stuff and whataboutary in one post.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:51 pm**

I like the Irish.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:53 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:51 pm I like the Irish.

Well then you obviously haven't met enough

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:59 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:54 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:48 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:37 pm

Is it my turn to use laughing thingys?
The penalty count was 11/8. We got plenty of turnovers at the breakdown even with LAR's constant onslaught, which is why we were still in it at the end. LAR beat us by being relentless and efficient, putting pressure on our exits and forcing us into our shell. The reffing at the breakdown had little effect on the result and was reffed no different to any other game (with the usual missed stuff for both sides).

The way to beat Ireland and Leinster is that template, going hard at the ruck and not giving any clean ball while being efficient in the carry. It's a slur to suggest LAR only won because of the ref (but happy to go with that line if you really want?).
LAR are a boring shit team. That's how you beat Leinster and Ireland. Be fat boring cunts.

You can put Munster in that category.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:59 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:51 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:48 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:37 pm

Is it my turn to use laughing thingys?
The penalty count was 11/8. We got plenty of turnovers at the breakdown even with LAR's constant onslaught, which is why we were still in it at the end. LAR beat us by being relentless and efficient, putting pressure on our exits and forcing us into our shell. The reffing at the breakdown had little effect on the result and was reffed no different to any other game (with the usual missed stuff for both sides).

The way to beat Ireland and Leinster is that template, going hard at the ruck and not giving any clean ball while being efficient in the carry. It's a slur to suggest LAR only won because of the ref (but happy to go with that line if you really want?).
An impressive amount of made up stuff and whataboutary in one post.

What was made up? You're saying we weren't finding it difficult to put in dominant hits on their carriers, hence ending up giving away penalties to try and stop their advance? Or that we weren't finding it hard to exit? Or that we didn't go into our shell?

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:02 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:53 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:51 pm I like the Irish.
Well then you obviously haven't met enough

We have a Irish Munster lady fan in our global team. She is fantastic. She bought me an Irish flag for the upcoming WC. She is really rugby mad and every monday first thing we will discuss rugby.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:03 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:26 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:00 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:43 pm It's ridiculous to suggest we get away with stuff at the breakdown more than anyone else (on average).
No it isn't. You only have to glance at the breakdown to see Irish players cheating. It's endemic.
This.

The European games were reffed properly and we saw the results. I think we all hoped that was refs finally growing balls and being directed to focus on the cheating but the weekend suggests it was just a one off, sadly.

So just to be clear - you're saying Jaco Peyper did a good job of reffing the breakdown in the European Final? **

I mean, I don't have anywhere to go with this!!! It's a "the world is flat" level of comment and it's just more sensible to walk away!!!

** for the avoidance of doubt, unlike St Johnnie, I'm not saying he was in any way unfair or biased - just that he seems to be the leading contender as far as referees being shit at reffing the breakdown is concerned. It's an absolute free for all with Peyper, even more so than with anyone else!

*** I see you've turned on the utter bile tap there as well. Well whatever makes you happy I guess!

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:08 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:59 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:51 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:48 pm

The penalty count was 11/8. We got plenty of turnovers at the breakdown even with LAR's constant onslaught, which is why we were still in it at the end. LAR beat us by being relentless and efficient, putting pressure on our exits and forcing us into our shell. The reffing at the breakdown had little effect on the result and was reffed no different to any other game (with the usual missed stuff for both sides).

The way to beat Ireland and Leinster is that template, going hard at the ruck and not giving any clean ball while being efficient in the carry. It's a slur to suggest LAR only won because of the ref (but happy to go with that line if you really want?).
An impressive amount of made up stuff and whataboutary in one post.
What was made up? You're saying we weren't finding it difficult to put in dominant hits on their carriers, hence ending up giving away penalties to try and stop their advance? Or that we weren't finding it hard to exit? Or that we didn't go into our shell?

It's pretty clear what he's saying - Leinster lost only because they finally weren't allowed to cheat their way to victory!!!

"The Earth is flat" levels of delusion. Slick's always had a hard on for us and often goes on truly bizarre rants. He's like Trostan is for us, just with added bile and vitriol - I'd say the other Scots are properly embarrassed by him!

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:14 pm**

So easy

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:16 pm**

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:22 pm**

PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:16 pm Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!

Can I choose two and work with that?

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:23 pm**

PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:16 pm Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!

Let me know when you've calmed yourself down.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:24 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:22 pm
PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:16 pm Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!
Can I choose two and work with that?

I've actually been trying to decide myself if it was one or two of the three, happy to go with those two.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:32 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:22 pm
PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:16 pm Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!
Can I choose two and work with that?

My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:22 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:24 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:05 pm Regardless of the truth of the matter, there's no way this is a "NZ used to get it, now we're getting it because we're number one" scenario. Ireland's approach to the breakdown and "success" has been a topic of much debate for a long time, well before Ireland got good.
So what's your timeframe for that?

Hmm, I'd say starting around the time of that shithouse Alan Quinlan and continuing through the legacy of POM. I don't think you can seriously argue with other people about how long the Irish have been criticised over perceived breakdown advantage, and if we're keeping it to here/PR, then it's been well over a decade for sure.

But whether you want to admit it or not, there's been far more biased, negative comments against Ireland over the last year or two than before. Generally posters try to be positive about weaker teams and are negative against stronger teams. Scotland, in particular, get so much leeway in this regard.

Ireland have consistently been one of the best disciplined teams over the last 10 years. You think every single ref is wrong and you're right?

Couldn't give a shit mate, that's what "regardless of the truth of the matter" meant when I wrote it in the post you replied to that was purely about length of time Ireland's copped flak for

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:52 pm**

So every ref has been wrong and you're right?

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:05 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:52 pm So every ref has been wrong and you're right?

Refs have been too afraid to speak out. It’s up to us fans to right this decade-long injustice. For the children.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:08 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:05 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:52 pm So every ref has been wrong and you're right?
Refs have been too afraid to speak out. It’s up to us fans to right this decade-long injustice. For the children.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:39 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:58 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:59 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:54 pm

LAR are a boring shit team. That's how you beat Leinster and Ireland. Be fat boring cunts.
You can put Munster in that category.
Listen you are in our gang now. Fuck the Brits

I like it.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:57 pm**

This Slick character has a proper obsession with the Irish. Just because of an internet forum.
Get out more chap.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:21 pm**

Mr Tim Buktoo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:57 pm This Slick character has a proper obsession with the Irish. Just because of an internet forum.
Get out more chap.

Hey Tim, I’ve never seen you before so had a quick look at your profile - the thread you have most posts on is the Eurovision thread. It’s me that needs to get out more?

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:24 pm**

Posted without comment

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:38 pm**

It's funny an Italian would complain about obstruction, you'd think they'd keep their mouth shut after what they got away with.

That said, the Doris one is hilarious. How the ref missed it is bizarre.

First one is equally illegal but being charitable to the ref, he let it go as it was pretty immaterial.

But this sort of offside at the ruck/tackle is regularly missed for all sides. Singling out one team for special treatment is very Rassie like.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:40 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:52 pm So every ref has been wrong and you're right?

If that's aimed at me then I can only repeat that I couldn't give a shit and I wasn't talking about whether the complaints are true or not, maybe this time you'll get it?

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:53 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:21 pm
Mr Tim Buktoo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:57 pm This Slick character has a proper obsession with the Irish. Just because of an internet forum.
Get out more chap.
Hey Tim, I’ve never seen you before so had a quick look at your profile - the thread you have most posts on is the Eurovision thread. It’s me that needs to get out more?

Yeah sure slick. 100 or whatever posts over a couple of years.
Come on man, the Irish are great. Come visit the country and dont be making up opinions based on a rugby forum.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:54 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:40 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:52 pm So every ref has been wrong and you're right?
If that's aimed at me then I can only repeat that I couldn't give a shit and I wasn't talking about whether the complaints are true or not, maybe this time you'll get it?

Ok, we're doing a post truth thing. Gotcha.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:13 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:54 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:40 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:52 pm So every ref has been wrong and you're right?
If that's aimed at me then I can only repeat that I couldn't give a shit and I wasn't talking about whether the complaints are true or not, maybe this time you'll get it?
Ok, we're doing a post truth thing. Gotcha.

Christ alive this is insufferable even for you. The entire point was that no, Ireland aren't getting this just because they're good. They've been getting this criticism for years before they were any good. Whether the complaints are true or not are a) irrelevant to that point and b) of no interest to me. Go back and look at every reply you've made - it's been deliberate misunderstanding and misquoting from the get go.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:25 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:13 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:54 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:40 pm

If that's aimed at me then I can only repeat that I couldn't give a shit and I wasn't talking about whether the complaints are true or not, maybe this time you'll get it?
Ok, we're doing a post truth thing. Gotcha.
Christ alive this is insufferable even for you. The entire point was that no, Ireland aren't getting this just because they're good. They've been getting this criticism for years before they were any good. Whether the complaints are true or not are a) irrelevant to that point and b) of no interest to me. Go back and look at every reply you've made - it's been deliberate misunderstanding and misquoting from the get go.

Ireland have been good for the timeframe you suggested. I was just getting confirmation to the period.

There has been a massive increase in having a go at Ireland over the last two years though. Maybe you're not noticing as much with the glacial pace of this place. Prior to that it was more targeted at the provinces rather than the national team. First Munster when they were winning and then Leinster.

I can't help you if you haven't noticed that bias increases towards a team in proportion to the success they're having.

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