Monk wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:37 pm
Afrikaans has its own spelreels
Most Afrikaans speakers think Dutch sounds overly dramatic when spoken
Hoogdrawend - if that is also a word in Dutch.
Hoogdravend in Dutch, pretty old-fashioned but definitely a word.
And that's fair enough, and all languages have their own spelregels.
I like Afrikaans btw, just reflecting on how it compares for Dutch speakers...
Spielregeln. Hochtrabend.
German is so similar, too.
Re: Teaching Afrikaans
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:41 pm
by OomStruisbaai
The French Hugenote played an important role in Afrikaans. Been living in Paarl I walked through Toring Kerk's graveyard and a lot of French buried there. My youngest went to KleinGim. Actually the birth place of Afrikaans. Interesting that soench many Springboks rooted from Paarl Gimnasium where Ds du Toit (French surname) started the first kitchen Dutch school. One would have thought there would be much more French in Afrikaans. Maybe Jan van Riebeeck brought a lot of Dutch women and the French were soft on the mother language.
Re: Teaching Afrikaans
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:36 am
by Calculon
Are there actually any Afrikaans words that have a French origin, other than the ones that came via Dutch?
Re: Teaching Afrikaans
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:07 am
by OomStruisbaai
I don't think so. All that's left from the French is Franshoek, surnames, wine making and rugby.
Re: Teaching Afrikaans
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:10 am
by OomStruisbaai
Peter Steph du Toit, Hempies du Toit, Schalk Burger and Jan Boland Coetzee are Springbok rugby players and wine makers.
Re: Teaching Afrikaans
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:46 am
by Calculon
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:41 pm
The French Hugenote played an important role in Afrikaans. Been living in Paarl I walked through Toring Kerk's graveyard and a lot of French buried there. My youngest went to KleinGim. Actually the birth place of Afrikaans. Interesting that soench many Springboks rooted from Paarl Gimnasium where Ds du Toit (French surname) started the first kitchen Dutch school. One would have thought there would be much more French in Afrikaans. Maybe Jan van Riebeeck brought a lot of Dutch women and the French were soft on the mother language.
from wikipedia
This small body of immigrants had a marked influence on the character of the Dutch settlers. They were purposely spread out and given farms amongst the Dutch farmers. Owing to the policy instituted in 1701 of the Dutch East India Company which dictated that schools should teach exclusively in Dutch, that all official correspondence had to be done in Dutch, and strict laws of assembly, the Huguenots ceased by the middle of the 18th century to maintain a distinct identity, and the knowledge of French diminished and eventually disappeared as a home language.[1] This assimilation into the colonial population was also due to the fact that many Huguenot descendants married individuals from the Dutch population, spurred by the Huguenots and Dutch sharing a common Calvinist religion.
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:41 pm
The French Hugenote played an important role in Afrikaans. Been living in Paarl I walked through Toring Kerk's graveyard and a lot of French buried there. My youngest went to KleinGim. Actually the birth place of Afrikaans. Interesting that soench many Springboks rooted from Paarl Gimnasium where Ds du Toit (French surname) started the first kitchen Dutch school. One would have thought there would be much more French in Afrikaans. Maybe Jan van Riebeeck brought a lot of Dutch women and the French were soft on the mother language.
from wikipedia
This small body of immigrants had a marked influence on the character of the Dutch settlers. They were purposely spread out and given farms amongst the Dutch farmers. Owing to the policy instituted in 1701 of the Dutch East India Company which dictated that schools should teach exclusively in Dutch, that all official correspondence had to be done in Dutch, and strict laws of assembly, the Huguenots ceased by the middle of the 18th century to maintain a distinct identity, and the knowledge of French diminished and eventually disappeared as a home language.[1] This assimilation into the colonial population was also due to the fact that many Huguenot descendants married individuals from the Dutch population, spurred by the Huguenots and Dutch sharing a common Calvinist religion.
Thanks for that. Paarl Gymnasium Primary is just on the other side of main road of the famous Toring Kerk in Paarl. Thats where Afrikaans was put on paper. The culture is deep there and the Afrikaans museum is close by. Always worth a visit. Paarl Gimnasium is still afrikaans education only. Putting themself under the pump from the politicians.
Re: Teaching Afrikaans
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:53 am
by Monk
The record of the first written Afrikaans is the Koran written in Arabic script. Not sure how that works but there you go.
Re: Teaching Afrikaans
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:41 pm
by average joe
I always felt that Afrikaans was a language that is spoken, and Dutch is more someone trying to sing something than say it.
Re: Teaching Afrikaans
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:29 pm
by Monk
average joe wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:41 pm
I always felt that Afrikaans was a language that is spoken, and Dutch is more someone trying to sing something than say it.
average joe wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:41 pm
I always felt that Afrikaans was a language that is spoken, and Dutch is more someone trying to sing something than say it.
I think the word is grandiloquent
Perhaps, but not what I meant. There's a certain melody to Dutch, not necessarily a good melody but it's there. Afrikaans is more like a R4 going off. It has a note but it's staccato.
average joe wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:41 pm
I always felt that Afrikaans was a language that is spoken, and Dutch is more someone trying to sing something than say it.
I think the word is grandiloquent
Perhaps, but not what I meant. There's a certain melody to Dutch, not necessarily a good melody but it's there. Afrikaans is more like a R4 going off. It has a note but it's staccato.
It's basically the beat of a language that causes that perceived melody.
I've been working very hard to get rid of my Afrikaans accent since becoming a father of an Natal Soutie (who now ironically called himself a Boertjie and refuses to speak English).
I found a good channel on YouTube, sadly closed down, but the lady had one lesson just about the rhythm of English.
Lower higher lower higher.....de dum de dum de dum.
Think of My fair lady: the RAIN in SPAIN falls MAIN-ly ON the PLAIN.
An Afrikaner speaking English does so with no real rhythm: dumb dumb dumb dumb.
Which is why we sound dumb.
Dutch has the same rhythm as English, hell they were almost the same language not too long ago.
Re: Teaching Afrikaans
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:37 pm
by troglodiet
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 2:53 pm
Hulle weet nie wat ons weet nie!
