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SaintK wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:27 pm The blonde slug speaks.
Worth reading some of tthe responses

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:46 pm

SaintK wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:27 pm The blonde slug speaks.
Worth reading some of tthe responses

That reminds me; time for the security service & Met to earn their keep & crawl up the rectums of all the appointed Peers from the bumblecunts reign of inadequacy, & eject the likes of Lord Novichok, & Lady Knickers & remove any possible access they might have to sensitive information.

dpedin wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:04 am

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:46 pm

SaintK wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:27 pm The blonde slug speaks.
Worth reading some of tthe responses

That reminds me; time for the security service & Met to earn their keep & crawl up the rectums of all the appointed Peers from the bumblecunts reign of inadequacy, & eject the likes of Lord Novichok, & Lady Knickers & remove any possible access they might have to sensitive information.

I agree however I worry the new Gov may take fright at what they actually find and that the advice they get is that if made public then there would be a significant impact on the public trust in our mechanisms of Government and probably the US with intel on Trump. I suspect that what they find re Russian involvement, etc is so serious that whole pillars of our establishment would need to be redesigned or done away. For example the appointments process to the HoL would fall into such disrepute if fully exposed that the majority of folk would just say 'get rid of it' which personally I dont think would be a bad thing! The meddling of Russia in everything - our recent GE, Reform Party funding, donations to the Tories, HoL appointments, Brexit campaigns, etc - plus the huge levels of corruption by the Tories ie PPE, cash for honours, Blonde Bumblecunt and Acuri, etc would I suspect lead to a huge huge loss of confidence in our way of Government and the decision making processes. I am not sure Starmer or any Government has the balls, the bandwidth or the power to address all of this. I suspect there might be a few high level headline grabbing wins for Labour Gov around corruption but behind the scenes I think will be where the real action takes place with a lot of resignations, stepping down to spend more time with the family, stepping out of public life, moving to a new career abroad, etc. Hopefully the security services are primed to act quickly!

Biffer wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:29 am

dpedin wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:04 am

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:46 pm

That reminds me; time for the security service & Met to earn their keep & crawl up the rectums of all the appointed Peers from the bumblecunts reign of inadequacy, & eject the likes of Lord Novichok, & Lady Knickers & remove any possible access they might have to sensitive information.

I agree however I worry the new Gov may take fright at what they actually find and that the advice they get is that if made public then there would be a significant impact on the public trust in our mechanisms of Government and probably the US with intel on Trump. I suspect that what they find re Russian involvement, etc is so serious that whole pillars of our establishment would need to be redesigned or done away. For example the appointments process to the HoL would fall into such disrepute if fully exposed that the majority of folk would just say 'get rid of it' which personally I dont think would be a bad thing! The meddling of Russia in everything - our recent GE, Reform Party funding, donations to the Tories, HoL appointments, Brexit campaigns, etc - plus the huge levels of corruption by the Tories ie PPE, cash for honours, Blonde Bumblecunt and Acuri, etc would I suspect lead to a huge huge loss of confidence in our way of Government and the decision making processes. I am not sure Starmer or any Government has the balls, the bandwidth or the power to address all of this. I suspect there might be a few high level headline grabbing wins for Labour Gov around corruption but behind the scenes I think will be where the real action takes place with a lot of resignations, stepping down to spend more time with the family, stepping out of public life, moving to a new career abroad, etc. Hopefully the security services are primed to act quickly!

HoL should be replaced with a second chamber that is part nominated, part elected. Have a max length of service of say 10 years. Some nominations will be from a political base, but other should come from broader society - Unions, the CBI, charities, universities, etc, all of the organisations that are part of the fabric of the country. Simple democracy is not the only form of representation.

_Os_ wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:58 am Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

geordie_6 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:38 pm

_Os_ wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:58 am Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

geordie_6 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:38 pm

_Os_ wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:58 am Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:54 pm Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:25 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:54 pm Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

A tough job at the best of times without some fucking politician coming in, spraying shit all over the place, & then fucking off to a slightly more senior position somewhere completely different in a years time

SaintK wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:00 pm Loving the blue on blue!!!
You'd think that they'd all keep their gobs shut for a few days while the dust settles at least

Raggs wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:47 pm

geordie_6 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:38 pm

_Os_ wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:58 am Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

In theory, Timpson's appointment should aim to improving rehabilitation and reduce reoffending rates. It'll take a while to get there though.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:52 pm

geordie_6 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:38 pm

_Os_ wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:58 am Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

Something that's going to have been done carefully but is unavoidable. Same as the huge asylum backlog, if it's ever going to be cleared the least worst option will probably be an expediated process/amnesty. Same with new Tory visa rules that are preventing the care sector and NHS being staffed, if the staff continue to not come then the rules will have to revert back to what they were.

It's a good sign they're taking decisive action rather than just letting it all build up further. The Tories stopped trying so they could say "Labour are releasing the criminals and letting the immigrants in".

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:54 pm Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

geordie_6 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:54 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:54 pm Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

Yes we're all basically hunkering down to wait and see what Labour can do to pull us out of the shit pile the Tories put us in.

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:03 pm

geordie_6 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:54 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:54 pm Was speaking to my sister earlier who is a senior probation officer and she says everyone is absolutely over the moon at Timpson's appointment and there is a general relief that someone who knows what they are talking about is finally in charge.

Yes we're all basically hunkering down to wait and see what Labour can do to pull us out of the shit pile the Tories put us in.

Are you in probation as well?

_Os_ wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:52 pm

geordie_6 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:38 pm

_Os_ wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:58 am Prisons without capacity - no investment by the Tories (the opposite prisons were closed), immediate action required, sentences of less serious criminals being cut

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

Something that's going to have been done carefully but is unavoidable. Same as the huge asylum backlog, if it's ever going to be cleared the least worst option will probably be an expediated process/amnesty. Same with new Tory visa rules that are preventing the care sector and NHS being staffed, if the staff continue to not come then the rules will have to revert back to what they were.

It's a good sign they're taking decisive action rather than just letting it all build up further. The Tories stopped trying so they could say "Labour are releasing the criminals and letting the immigrants in".

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:20 pm

_Os_ wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:52 pm

geordie_6 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:38 pm

Less serious, but not lower risk. The scheme that started under the Tories is being continued, but they're releasing almost anyone now. There are criteria, but the prisons are being remarkably "flexible" in how they interpret them...

Something that's going to have been done carefully but is unavoidable. Same as the huge asylum backlog, if it's ever going to be cleared the least worst option will probably be an expediated process/amnesty. Same with new Tory visa rules that are preventing the care sector and NHS being staffed, if the staff continue to not come then the rules will have to revert back to what they were.

It's a good sign they're taking decisive action rather than just letting it all build up further. The Tories stopped trying so they could say "Labour are releasing the criminals and letting the immigrants in".

This !

They've been given a serious mandate, & the reality is that honeymoon periods can be short, so they need to crack on with difficult changes, & give themselves the time to show the voters that they're serious about change, & the policies they're pursuing are going to make things better.

I think the size of their mandate means that voters do understand just how big of a hole the Tories have dug for an incoming Government, & hopefully that memory holds thru to the next GE

C69 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:47 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:20 pm

_Os_ wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:52 pm
Something that's going to have been done carefully but is unavoidable. Same as the huge asylum backlog, if it's ever going to be cleared the least worst option will probably be an expediated process/amnesty. Same with new Tory visa rules that are preventing the care sector and NHS being staffed, if the staff continue to not come then the rules will have to revert back to what they were.

It's a good sign they're taking decisive action rather than just letting it all build up further. The Tories stopped trying so they could say "Labour are releasing the criminals and letting the immigrants in".

This !

They've been given a serious mandate, & the reality is that honeymoon periods can be short, so they need to crack on with difficult changes, & give themselves the time to show the voters that they're serious about change, & the policies they're pursuing are going to make things better.

I think the size of their mandate means that voters do understand just how big of a hole the Tories have dug for an incoming Government, & hopefully that memory holds thru to the next GE

Grasp the nettle and do the difficult shit now.
NHS AFC pay and Docors pay will only be sorted by throwing money at it, probablt by saying agency and locum pay will be lessened by some measures.
This will be Streeting's first issue of many.
He has no grasp of Health issue btw andis very poorly informed.

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:25 am Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:25 am Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:59 am

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:25 am Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.


In other news, BBC confirms that there is no evidence that any Reform candidates were fake. A nice reminder that our sensible centrists are just as vulnerable to obvious hoaxes and online misinformation as the people they regularly describe as idiots

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:59 am

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:25 am Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:03 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:59 am

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:25 am Milliband has blocked new oil and gas licenses in the north sea... That's a huge step, and surely can only be seen as hugely committed? It's not going to be popular with many, but this is a long way from just trying to put a plaster on the worst bits and hope it holds together until the next election.

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.


In other news, BBC confirms that there is no evidence that any Reform candidates were fake. A nice reminder that our sensible centrists are just as vulnerable to obvious hoaxes and online misinformation as the people they regularly describe as idiots

Doesn't change our usage right now, but makes a big statement towards the intention of getting us off it (and also a big incentive). Make it far more believeable when he's said they're planning on pushing ahead with renewables and new nuclear power.

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:07 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:03 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:59 am

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.


In other news, BBC confirms that there is no evidence that any Reform candidates were fake. A nice reminder that our sensible centrists are just as vulnerable to obvious hoaxes and online misinformation as the people they regularly describe as idiots

Doesn't change our usage right now, but makes a big statement towards the intention of getting us off it (and also a big incentive). Make it far more believeable when he's said they're planning on pushing ahead with renewables and new nuclear power.

We could fund the nuclear/renewables roll out with the oil money! A statement is irrelevant compared to that. All we’ve done is make ourselves more dependent on foreign states. Gesture politics with real consequences

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:07 pmpolitics with real consequences

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:07 pmWe could fund the nuclear/renewables roll out with the oil money!

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:07 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:03 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:59 am

Doesn’t change our oil and gas usage. Does make us more dependent on foreign supplies and makes us poorer.


In other news, BBC confirms that there is no evidence that any Reform candidates were fake. A nice reminder that our sensible centrists are just as vulnerable to obvious hoaxes and online misinformation as the people they regularly describe as idiots

Doesn't change our usage right now, but makes a big statement towards the intention of getting us off it (and also a big incentive). Make it far more believeable when he's said they're planning on pushing ahead with renewables and new nuclear power.

We could fund the nuclear/renewables roll out with the oil money! A statement is irrelevant compared to that. All we’ve done is make ourselves more dependent on foreign states. Gesture politics with real consequences