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Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:23 am 10 years ago I probably would have fired a broadside back at your personal insult. Now-a-days, I'll just wait for you to produce a logical, scientifically argued response before engaging.

So you concede that neither I, or anyone else, suggested that our total deaths figure had changed? So what was the point of your comment?

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:26 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:23 am 10 years ago I probably would have fired a broadside back at your personal insult. Now-a-days, I'll just wait for you to produce a logical, scientifically argued response before engaging.

So you concede that neither I, or anyone else, suggested that our total deaths figure had changed? So what was the point of your comment?

Take a bex and have a lie down.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:28 am Take a bex and have a lie down.

You're the one who is either misreading posts or making up shit.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:28 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:26 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:23 am 10 years ago I probably would have fired a broadside back at your personal insult. Now-a-days, I'll just wait for you to produce a logical, scientifically argued response before engaging.

So you concede that neither I, or anyone else, suggested that our total deaths figure had changed? So what was the point of your comment?

Take a bex and have a lie down.

Logical, scientifically argued

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:36 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:28 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:26 am

So you concede that neither I, or anyone else, suggested that our total deaths figure had changed? So what was the point of your comment?

Take a bex and have a lie down.

Logical, scientifically argued

I think I'm pretty safe.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:42 am

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:36 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:28 am

Take a bex and have a lie down.

Logical, scientifically argued

I think I'm pretty safe.

Anyone can find a dissenting specialist to support their minority view... we need only look at the climate change ‘argument’ to see the same flying in the face of logic and reason tactic.

There’s a growing denialist trend forming over COVID19 and the need to continue controls. The trend is rooted in commercial interests.. the need for business to ‘return to normal’. The bad news is, there is no normal to return to. We are facing a serious transition that requires moral fibre and strength of conviction to negotiate. Alarmist tendencies fanned by self interested media doesn’t cut it.

Ellafan! Thank god you're OK! I was afraid you'd fallen off the edge of the world.

We made a bet on whether or not Covid-19 would claim more deaths than an average flu month (32.4k I believe we agreed upon, in the month of April). This was based on your readings of experts (such as the Imperial paper etc), now you're quoting more experts, clearly you know what you're talking about.

Only, your estimate was a bit off? You see, it turns out, that in April, almost 200k died... Still, it was still only totalling 235k total at that point, so still no worse than a years worth of flu eh...

Right, now that's said. Where's the ignore button on this new forum?

EDIT - Think I've found it :).

Well seeing as you are ignoring anything I say, I will merely say that you need to form a wider appreciation of death rates from all causes across the planet to find real calamities, including... here is a good one.

"A child dies every three seconds globally due to food deprivation – 10,000 children every day"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... tudy-shows

Perhaps you could direct some of your vituperative emotional response to that issue.

Have a table booked at a pub that serves actual pints in real glasses with the missus and newborn (granny looking after the other 2) for Tuesday night.

I am excite 8-)

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:25 am Have a table booked at a pub that serves actual pints in real glasses with the missus and newborn (granny looking after the other 2) for Tuesday night.

I am excite 8-)

It will feel weird but awesome

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:12 am

Enzedder wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:49 pm

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:30 pm

It's only a statistical irrelevance because we took the major steps that we did. Looks what's happening in Victoria when people let their guard down by just a fraction. 70+ new cases a day and presumably our death toll will rise from 104 total deaths. Moreover our economy would have been trashed anyway due to the closing of international borders and the impact this would have had on tourism, trade, higher education etc. Or are you suggesting that our borders should have been kept open?

That's the bit that surprises me too - when people say that closing the borders wrecked the economy. It was going to be wrecked anyway.

Even with closed borders, the internal lockdown was over-applied. I tend to prefer the views of Stanford University professor of structural biology Michael Levitt, a Nobel prize winner, to opinions on a rugby forum.

About 1 million Australians were unemployed within weeks of lockdown. Countless small businesses gone. This will take a generation to recover, but yeh, we did good. Even though it still isn't over.

But the alternative is tens of thousands dying minimum.

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:14 am But the alternative is tens of thousands dying minimum.

Based on what?

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:19 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:14 am But the alternative is tens of thousands dying minimum.

Based on what?

You sound suspiciously like a Pete Evans fan boet

Anyone buying Stanley Johnson's claim that he had to travel to Greece to make sure the property he rents out is Covid secure?

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:25 am Have a table booked at a pub that serves actual pints in real glasses with the missus and newborn (granny looking after the other 2) for Tuesday night.

I am excite 8-)

Got a table for me and 7 colleagues, in a beer garden, in the Scottish summer for all night. Can't fucking wait 🌧

mat the expat wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:18 pm

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:19 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:14 am But the alternative is tens of thousands dying minimum.

Based on what?

You sound suspiciously like a Pete Evans fan boet

S'funny, quote the facts and get accused of being something. Have a quick re-read of what has been posted. Have almost a million Australians lost their jobs? Will we ever be able to accurately count how many small businesses have gone under? Any of it made up mumbo jumbo?


But yeh somehow Pete Evans etc.

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 pm

mat the expat wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:18 pm

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:19 am



Based on what?

You sound suspiciously like a Pete Evans fan boet

S'funny, quote the facts and get accused of being something. Have a quick re-read of what has been posted. Have almost a million Australians lost their jobs? Will we ever be able to accurately count how many small businesses have gone under? Any of it made up mumbo jumbo?


But yeh somehow Pete Evans etc.

Which facts did you quote?

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 pm S'funny, quote the facts and get accused of being something. Have a quick re-read of what has been posted. Have almost a million Australians lost their jobs? Will we ever be able to accurately count how many small businesses have gone under? Any of it made up mumbo jumbo?

Yes this global pandemic has not been ideal from an economic point of view. Presumably if you'd been Premier of Victoria you would have kept everything open? Business as usual? I see Florida has recorded 10,000 new cases over the past 24 hours, but you'll be pleased to note that their businesses are all open. You presumably think Florida is therefore an example that Australia should be following?

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 pm

mat the expat wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:18 pm

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:19 am



Based on what?

You sound suspiciously like a Pete Evans fan boet

S'funny, quote the facts and get accused of being something. Have a quick re-read of what has been posted. Have almost a million Australians lost their jobs? Will we ever be able to accurately count how many small businesses have gone under? Any of it made up mumbo jumbo?


But yeh somehow Pete Evans etc.

Peoples lives don't matter over jobs?

Look at America - 54,000 new cases TODAY - I think Australia has dodged a massive bullet here.

But educate me .... like Pete

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:25 am Have a table booked at a pub that serves actual pints in real glasses with the missus and newborn (granny looking after the other 2) for Tuesday night.

I am excite 8-)

Sounds like a normal evening to me (sans newborn) 8-)

Ellafan -

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:03 am

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 pm

mat the expat wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:18 pm

You sound suspiciously like a Pete Evans fan boet

S'funny, quote the facts and get accused of being something. Have a quick re-read of what has been posted. Have almost a million Australians lost their jobs? Will we ever be able to accurately count how many small businesses have gone under? Any of it made up mumbo jumbo?


But yeh somehow Pete Evans etc.

Which facts did you quote?

About a million unemployed. Countless small businesses gone under.

mat the expat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:40 am

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 pm

mat the expat wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:18 pm

You sound suspiciously like a Pete Evans fan boet

S'funny, quote the facts and get accused of being something. Have a quick re-read of what has been posted. Have almost a million Australians lost their jobs? Will we ever be able to accurately count how many small businesses have gone under? Any of it made up mumbo jumbo?


But yeh somehow Pete Evans etc.

Peoples lives don't matter over jobs?

Look at America - 54,000 new cases TODAY - I think Australia has dodged a massive bullet here.

But educate me .... like Pete

Typical. Everything in absolutes. Not capable of nuance. Not even capable of witholding insults.

There are nations that did not go into full lockdown and haven't had hundreds of or even tens of thousands dead. And they achieved this without a million people losing their jobs or almost wiping out whole industries.

You know this, but yeh America...

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:10 am

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 pm S'funny, quote the facts and get accused of being something. Have a quick re-read of what has been posted. Have almost a million Australians lost their jobs? Will we ever be able to accurately count how many small businesses have gone under? Any of it made up mumbo jumbo?

Yes this global pandemic has not been ideal from an economic point of view. Presumably if you'd been Premier of Victoria you would have kept everything open? Business as usual? I see Florida has recorded 10,000 new cases over the past 24 hours, but you'll be pleased to note that their businesses are all open. You presumably think Florida is therefore an example that Australia should be following?

This pandemic is not ideal from any point of view. It is not one or the other, it is and the other. You guys seem incapable of acknowledging this. It has to be one or the other with you guys. And then take the worst case scenario to try and make your point. This is the disease that you have decided matters most when it comes to lives matter. Anything else you couldn't really be fvcked about.

The following works effectively in limiting the spread. Social Distancing. Cleanliness. Masks. Work from home if you can. Test. Test. Test. Isolate. Trace. Test. Test. Test. Rinse repeat.

Through history we have always quarrantined the sick. This is the first time that many nations have decided to quarantine the sick and the healthy together. It has failed spectacularly in some countries and worked brilliantly in others. It is not a perfect solution. Nor a long term one.

Clogs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:03 am


Typical. Everything in absolutes. Not capable of nuance. Not even capable of witholding insults.

It's a Forum dude - pretty sure you troll constantly.

As for Jobs, yes it's terrible that this has happened but if an arch-IPA driven PM locks down the country, you can bet your last farthing that they took it seriously enough to do it.

As for America, I have plenty of mates over there who are absolutely distressed about the lack of control - that's the issue, not 'Merica

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 pm

There are nations that did not go into full lockdown and haven't had hundreds of or even tens of thousands dead. And they achieved this without a million people losing their jobs or almost wiping out whole industries.

Ok... I’m intrigued. Which nations are you referring to?

mat the expat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:27 am

Clogs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:03 am


Typical. Everything in absolutes. Not capable of nuance. Not even capable of witholding insults.

It's a Forum dude - pretty sure you troll constantly.

As for Jobs, yes it's terrible that this has happened but if an arch-IPA driven PM locks down the country, you can bet your last farthing that they took it seriously enough to do it.

As for America, I have plenty of mates over there who are absolutely distressed about the lack of control - that's the issue, not 'Merica

We have rules bro. Only ever troll the keewees and the Irish. Oh and the South Africans.

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:31 am

Clogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 pm

There are nations that did not go into full lockdown and haven't had hundreds of or even tens of thousands dead. And they achieved this without a million people losing their jobs or almost wiping out whole industries.

Ok... I’m intrigued. Which nations are you referring to?

www.google.com.au


Lazy cvnt!

Clogs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:56 am

mat the expat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:27 am

Clogs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:03 am


Typical. Everything in absolutes. Not capable of nuance. Not even capable of witholding insults.

It's a Forum dude - pretty sure you troll constantly.

As for Jobs, yes it's terrible that this has happened but if an arch-IPA driven PM locks down the country, you can bet your last farthing that they took it seriously enough to do it.

As for America, I have plenty of mates over there who are absolutely distressed about the lack of control - that's the issue, not 'Merica

We have rules bro. Only ever troll the keewees and the Irish. Oh and the South Africans.

NSW Pies are better than Victorian Pies

Anyone else starting to notice an interesting trend? Infections are increasing yet death rates are decreasing. I have several theories bubbling around my pretty little head.

1. Social distancing and mask etc means that although the infection is still spreading, the viral load per infection is decreasing. Less viral load = more time for the body to build up antibodies while the virus tries to gain a hold. This in turn means less complications etc.

2. More testing = we are identifying way more positive cases than ever before, but they are mostly asymptomatic. This has the effect of increasing the detection rate, but the really serious infections are fewer because of 1 above.

3. Our medical experts are getting a handle on how to treat this thing. Some tried and true methods for treatment are helping to keeping the reaper at bay.

Or 4. And perhaps most worryingly, there is a lag effect and we are about to see a spike in the death rate.

I am hoping for 1,2 and 3. Any other thories?

mat the expat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:00 am

Clogs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:56 am

mat the expat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:27 am

It's a Forum dude - pretty sure you troll constantly.

As for Jobs, yes it's terrible that this has happened but if an arch-IPA driven PM locks down the country, you can bet your last farthing that they took it seriously enough to do it.

As for America, I have plenty of mates over there who are absolutely distressed about the lack of control - that's the issue, not 'Merica

We have rules bro. Only ever troll the keewees and the Irish. Oh and the South Africans.

NSW Pies are better than Victorian Pies

Dead. To. Me.




Also be thankful they have closed the border. Otherwise I would have organised a mass group of Victorians to head up your way and buy up all your fvcking toilet paper!

Death rates will rise with the rising infection rate. Give it time to play out.

Positivity is important with regards to deaths. 10% or higher seems to be dangerous territory.

On a positive note, 30,000 positive tests disappeared overnight in the official UK reports.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:10 am On a positive note, 30,000 positive tests disappeared overnight in the official UK reports.

Trying to sort things out by removing double positives (tested positive outside of hospital and tested positive in hospital). Sensible, but surprising it's taken this long to actually sort.

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:14 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:10 am On a positive note, 30,000 positive tests disappeared overnight in the official UK reports.

Trying to sort things out by removing double positives (tested positive outside of hospital and tested positive in hospital). Sensible, but surprising it's taken this long to actually sort.

In the UK?

10,000 fuck nuts in Victoria refusing to be tested while the state goes into lockdown.
Good job Aussies.

Zig wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:22 am 10,000 fuck nuts in Victoria refusing to be tested while the state goes into lockdown.
Good job Aussies.

Yet to be confirmed it’s actually that many but apparently a large contingent are convinced the virus is a hoax. Anti vax types being whipped up by, among others, NewsCorp columnists.

Zig wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:22 am 10,000 fuck nuts in Victoria refusing to be tested while the state goes into lockdown.
Good job Aussies.

Are they testing the whole state?