Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:22 am
The doctor's comments are worthy of greater analysis - the nature of Europe's relationship with the United States is pretty fascinating.
European settlement of North America is in part attributable to the desire of Europeans to flee religious persecution and to set up their own settlements where they could worship freely. So there was this antipathy toward the mother land from the beginning which of course culminated in the colonists achieving outright independence from the British crown. The winning of that war by the colonists was contingent upon French support.
The US reluctantly joined both World Wars but played a decisive role in both, then came the Marshall Plan and NATO. The US saved western Europe not once not twice but thrice, first in WW1, then from fascism then against the Soviet Union/Communism.
To this day Europeans are heavily dependent on the US in terms of NATO/national security but I don't think many Europeans consider Americans as cultural or intellectual equals, and this sentiment can be traced all the way back to the 18th century and the degeneracy thesis. Americans for their part are prone to look upon Europeans as effete, feckless and lacking in that derring do, frontier spirit that has come to define the American character. Europeans are thinkers, Americans are doers.
As the US changes demographically (whites of European descent decline as a percentage of population to be replaced by Asians and hispanics) and the Eurocentric mentality and institutions are challenged it will be interesting to see if and how European-American dynamics change.
Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:22 am
The doctor's comments are worthy of greater analysis - the nature of Europe's relationship with the United States is pretty fascinating.
European settlement of North America is in part attributable to the desire of Europeans to flee religious persecution and to set up their own settlements where they could worship freely. So there was this antipathy toward the mother land from the beginning which of course culminated in the colonists achieving outright independence from the British crown. The winning of that war by the colonists was contingent upon French support.
The US reluctantly joined both World Wars but played a decisive role in both, then came the Marshall Plan and NATO. The US saved western Europe not once not twice but thrice, first in WW1, then from fascism then against the Soviet Union/Communism.
To this day Europeans are heavily dependent on the US in terms of NATO/national security but I don't think many Europeans consider Americans as cultural or intellectual equals, and this sentiment can be traced all the way back to the 18th century and the degeneracy thesis. Americans for their part are prone to look upon Europeans as effete, feckless and lacking in that derring do, frontier spirit that has come to define the American character. Europeans are thinkers, Americans are doers.
As the US changes demographically (whites of European descent decline as a percentage of population to be replaced by Asians and hispanics) and the Eurocentric mentality and institutions are challenged it will be interesting to see if and how European-American dynamics change.
Zig wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:35 am
Won't happen but Michelle Obama would be good VP pick. Tee her up nicely for a 2 term Presidency of her own.
Sorry, I don't understand the reasoning here.
Why would she be a good pick?
About 100 IQ points above the current President. She's articulate, honest, compassionate, and loves her fellow Americans regardless of race or creed.
Why would you need to ask?
Well, what are her credentials in the political sphere, for starters? What sort of experience does she have with regards to law making, or governing at any level ?
Bokkom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:18 am
Sorry, I don't understand the reasoning here.
Why would she be a good pick?
About 100 IQ points above the current President. She's articulate, honest, compassionate, and loves her fellow Americans regardless of race or creed.
Why would you need to ask?
Well, what are her credentials in the political sphere, for starters? What sort of experience does she have with regards to law making, or governing at any level ?
Pretty shit question boet when you consider the incumbents “credentials”
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:09 pm
by Zig
Bokkom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:44 am
Well, what are her credentials in the political sphere, for starters? What sort of experience does she have with regards to law making, or governing at any level ?
Hilary Clinton was far more qualified for the job than Trump.
As I said before she has obvious skillsets which are suitable to the role. She has also been in proximity to a competent President for 8 years and will understand how a good government functions. She'll always have Barrack to turn to for counsel.
Maybe she's not up for it but she's well qualified for the job.
About 100 IQ points above the current President. She's articulate, honest, compassionate, and loves her fellow Americans regardless of race or creed.
Why would you need to ask?
Well, what are her credentials in the political sphere, for starters? What sort of experience does she have with regards to law making, or governing at any level ?
Pretty shit question boet when you consider the incumbents “credentials”
Obviously you are entitled to your opinion. But here's the thing, if your only criteria is "having better credentials than Trump", I would guess about 300 million Americans are electable.
So, give it another go.
Bokkom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:18 am
Sorry, I don't understand the reasoning here.
Why would she be a good pick?
About 100 IQ points above the current President. She's articulate, honest, compassionate, and loves her fellow Americans regardless of race or creed.
Why would you need to ask?
Well, what are her credentials in the political sphere, for starters? What sort of experience does she have with regards to law making, or governing at any level ?
She does have something of a background in law, which for all we mock (and rightly so) is quite useful in governing. It would though be better if she gained some experience and demonstrated competence rather than ran on potential, though sadly I'd agree with those who think she has no interest in pursuing such a direct role
Whites still double the size of the next largest ethnic group and it ignores.
1. Mixed race
2. That fertility and immigration rates might change.
What do you mean that it ignores that things might change? It's a projection.
Not sure what you mean about mixed race either.
Whites currently circa 75% of overall population so dropping to 49% is a decline. It's consistent with what I originally stated that seemed to confuse you:
"As the US changes demographically (whites of European descent decline as a percentage of population to be replaced by Asians and hispanics)"
Unless you have any studies that show whites will not decline as a percentage of the US population I'm not sure what there is to quibble about.
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:29 pm
by Fonz
I can hardly fault you for making the "whites will be a minority by 2050" argument Hugo as it's commonplace in mainstream media and oft-repeated by politicians and "experts" alike. It is however bullshit.
I for instance would not count as white in that article, despite being blonde, blue-eyed, and most assuredly white. People used to say I look like Zac Efron FFS. I am Hispanic, the majority of whom in this country are...white.
My children will also be able to claim Hispanic identity (as there's no fixed value for what makes you Hispanic, since it's a made-up thing...you just need to have some ancestry in Latin America, per the Census). But I suspect that they will just check white, and lo and behold, you see how these white will emerge out of the aether as Latinos disappear into it. I suspect there will be many, many like them.
This of course also doesn't account for mixed race children, which aside from some black-white kids will almost certainly also be white. Asian-whites in particular, but also mestizo-whites (in many cases just a mestizo Hispanic-white Hispanic mix).
It is a nothing story meant to excite (Dems) and scare (Republicans) as the need may be. Please do not fall for it.
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:25 pm
by convoluted
Fonz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:29 pm
... doesn't account for mixed race children, which aside from some black-white kids will almost certainly also be white. Asian-whites in particular, but also mestizo-whites (in many cases just a mestizo Hispanic-white Hispanic mix). ...
'Mixed race (that) will almost certainly be (classified) as white' ??
Wash your mouth out.
Your post implies that evil, supremacist White America is not after all a country of Systemic White Racism'. Expect the mob with torches in your front yard in 3 ... 2 ...
In other matters, CNN has gone awfully quiet on their bombshell unsourced, unverified allegation that Trump knew about this Russian Bounty thing.
Sigh .... .... ....
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:30 pm
by stemoc
I predicted back in late March that Trump will not do anything to stop the pandemic, he wants it to become a problem, a major issue in the US so come November, the elections would be canceled and he can rule for another year at least..one of my learned friends mentioned that there is a hidden (lesser known) law in the US constitution which allows a president to stay on for longer than 4 years if there is a huge disaster or a major war that is taking place at that time... this pandemic might qualify. US likes to go to other country and destroy what it calls "dictatorship" and yet do nothing about their own.
Fonz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:29 pm
... doesn't account for mixed race children, which aside from some black-white kids will almost certainly also be white. Asian-whites in particular, but also mestizo-whites (in many cases just a mestizo Hispanic-white Hispanic mix). ...
'Mixed race (that) will almost certainly be (classified) as white' ??
Wash your mouth out.
Your post implies that evil, supremacist White America is not after all a country of Systemic White Racism'. Expect the mob with torches in your front yard in 3 ... 2 ...
In other matters, CNN has gone awfully quiet on their bombshell unsourced, unverified allegation that Trump knew about this Russian Bounty thing.
Sigh .... .... ....
Public Enemy explained it thirty years ago; & it was true then, & it's true now.
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:25 am
by Fonz
stemoc wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:30 pm
I predicted back in late March that Trump will not do anything to stop the pandemic, he wants it to become a problem, a major issue in the US so come November, the elections would be canceled and he can rule for another year at least..one of my learned friends mentioned that there is a hidden (lesser known) law in the US constitution which allows a president to stay on for longer than 4 years if there is a huge disaster or a major war that is taking place at that time... this pandemic might qualify. US likes to go to other country and destroy what it calls "dictatorship" and yet do nothing about their own.
I've never heard of that, and it sure as shit doesn't say anything like that in the Constitution.
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:13 am
by stemoc
we will see come November
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:13 am
by Fonz
stemoc wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:13 am
we will see come November
No, we won't.
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:45 am
by Slick
stemoc wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:13 am
we will see come November
stemoc wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:30 pm
I predicted back in late March that Trump will not do anything to stop the pandemic, he wants it to become a problem, a major issue in the US so come November, the elections would be canceled and he can rule for another year at least..one of my learned friends mentioned that there is a hidden (lesser known) law in the US constitution which allows a president to stay on for longer than 4 years if there is a huge disaster or a major war that is taking place at that time... this pandemic might qualify. US likes to go to other country and destroy what it calls "dictatorship" and yet do nothing about their own.
I've never heard of that, and it sure as shit doesn't say anything like that in the Constitution.
Yeah, the understanding I was given was that the election could be delayed, but the presidents term of office would come to an end and effectively the senate takes over pro tem
stemoc wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:30 pm
I predicted back in late March that Trump will not do anything to stop the pandemic, he wants it to become a problem, a major issue in the US so come November, the elections would be canceled and he can rule for another year at least..one of my learned friends mentioned that there is a hidden (lesser known) law in the US constitution which allows a president to stay on for longer than 4 years if there is a huge disaster or a major war that is taking place at that time... this pandemic might qualify. US likes to go to other country and destroy what it calls "dictatorship" and yet do nothing about their own.
I've never heard of that, and it sure as shit doesn't say anything like that in the Constitution.
Yeah, the understanding I was given was that the election could be delayed, but the presidents term of office would come to an end and effectively the senate takes over pro tem
Given the constitution explicitly limits the terms of office for both POTUS and VPOTUS it's hard to see the wriggle room. Though we could well see some problems with the lack of flexibility in the US system and come to know the order of succession as the order of chaos, of course how any such chaos would be worse than Trump though is hard to fathom
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:29 am
by stemoc
The Chaos clause is what he might be looking at, regardless of an election happening, his term expires on January 20th 2021..its cute that a lot of morons above still think Trump plays by the rules, it may very well backfire but he is definitely going to try something, even an organization that was known for backing Republicans is now backing Biden ..... a lot of these "financiers" have realised the dangers of allowing this man a 2nd term.. Trump can now very well 'rig' the elections come November once he puts everyone in the 'blue states' under 'curfew' or lockdown..and he already has his 'Dear Leader' putin's support
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:48 pm
by ScarfaceClaw
Kanye West or Trump. What a time to be alive. And not living in America.
(Mind you, the UK ain’t too flash either at the moment)
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:53 pm
by ASMO
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:48 pm
Kanye West or Trump. What a time to be alive. And not living in America.
(Mind you, the UK ain’t too flash either at the moment)
Looks like a clear case of Trump dermagemt syndrome; the hatred for the man colours all other logical faculties.
Strongly associated with people who spend a lot of time on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter in my experience.
Spelling derangement syndrome, more like - idiocy and illiteracy rate highly amongst Trump supporters.
Amazing how you managed to extrapolate that I'm a Trump supporter from that, can I ask how?
Edit: your reply isn't entirely in keeping with your Brexit thread plea for civilised debate.
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:49 pm
by Ali Cadoo
It was only a bit of ribbing over your typo, although I’m only used to hearing MAGAts throw TDS around as a slur... apologies for any deep offence caused.
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:24 am
by -RB-
Stemoc is Comets.
Nuff said.
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:53 am
by Hal Jordan
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:48 pm
Kanye West or Trump. What a time to be alive. And not living in America.
(Mind you, the UK ain’t too flash either at the moment)
A sweet $2.5m in bailout money for the struggling West. Grifters gonna grift.
(I think Trump has pre-emptively fired the IG with oversight of the Covid19 bailout pot)
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:48 pm
Kanye West or Trump. What a time to be alive. And not living in America.
(Mind you, the UK ain’t too flash either at the moment)
A sweet $2.5m in bailout money for the struggling West. Grifters gonna grift.
(I think Trump has pre-emptively fired the IG with oversight of the Covid19 bailout pot)
Can you explain this a bit?
Yeezy (West's company) applied for and got a loan from the Covid19 pot of money to help businesses. He is hardly alone in this, plenty of other people and businesses did (Trump's law firm, the school that educated Obama's children, other private schools including Barron Trump's, plus hedge funds, LLPs, Tucker Carlson's media company, plenty of others including Democrat linked ones).
However, none of them decided to run for President by coincidence, although it appears West has missed the deadline to register as a candidate in at least 6 states.
(I think Trump has pre-emptively fired the IG with oversight of the Covid19 bailout pot)
It's not just that, though it's swampy enough in isolation, Trump's Whithouse is also refusing to disclose details of payments made to Congressional Oversight Committees, essentially they're saying just trust us there's no need fo checks and balances
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:44 pm
by Chareth Cutestory
Trump asking for Bubba to apologize and defending confederate flags.
he is not bothering to whistle anymore
Re: TRE45ON Trump and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:33 am
by Ali Cadoo
No real revelations in this tell-all book from his niece, only re-affirmations of widely-acknowledged flaws and failings.
It makes you wonder what stories would have to come out about the PoSotUS for people to think any less of him.
US likes to go to other country and destroy what it calls "dictatorship" and yet do nothing about their own.
