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OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:38 am

Chilli wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:35 am
He fucked up big at the Sharks and was kept on the field by his Dad.

He was excellent for WP. Since he left he struggled.

Toxic Sharks environment

Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:52 am

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:10 am Looks like there is grief coming some players' way for not taking a knee during the first round of games.

Which players?

https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/saff ... m-20200816

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:53 am

Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:52 am

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:10 am Looks like there is grief coming some players' way for not taking a knee during the first round of games.

Which players?

https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/saff ... m-20200816

It's only optional. Half the F1 drivers didn't take the knee yesterday in Barcelona either.

All Lives Matter

Link? I really doubt there will be any serious grief for any of the players involved. Rightly so

Not seen much of a fuss anywhere about it

Edit - Well not in the UK anyway

I respect their decision either way. I just hope they don't get taken apart on social media.

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:58 am I respect their decision either way. I just hope they don't get taken apart on social media.

Yeah!

Green light echo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:07 am

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:54 am

Green light echo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:51 am

You are certainly world champion blow hards. Or was that the Irish?

Yes it's your kind of rugby, dour, conservative, brainless, and unimaginative.

No wonder the Germans used you as target practice.......

do you feel a general pain all over your body or is it localized around your lips from sucking my cock

Hit a nerve hey boet? Truth hurts doesn't it.

Pitiful record. Shameful

don't vok with me china. I am not a handyman or Big Nipper with large bellies and small balls

Tacking a knee is not really a rugby thing, perhaps a minute of silence would be more apt and they all wore the t-shirt.

average joe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:29 pm Tacking a knee is not really a rugby thing, perhaps a minute of silence would be more apt and they all wore the t-shirt.

Yip.

It begins....

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby ... n-england/

The minister said the whole country united behind the Springboks during the World Cup in Japan last year and the actions of those who are displaying "racist behaviour and showing racist attitude" will not be tolerate

Someone please explain why it was racist not to bend the knee.

Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:54 am

The minister said the whole country united behind the Springboks during the World Cup in Japan last year and the actions of those who are displaying "racist behaviour and showing racist attitude" will not be tolerate

Someone please explain why it was racist not to bend the knee.

It basically depends on why they didn't kneel, but I don't believe it was racist. It doesn't look good though when it's all the Saffers doing it though. I understand why it's being raised, it perhaps would have been nice for it not to be raised in the press, rather than just making an inquiry to the clubs.

Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:54 am

The minister said the whole country united behind the Springboks during the World Cup in Japan last year and the actions of those who are displaying "racist behaviour and showing racist attitude" will not be tolerate

Someone please explain why it was racist not to bend the knee.

His comments are libellous. It infuriates me that a government minister can spew this sort of shit.

Asking someone to bow to you or your cause is one thing, forcing them is another.

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:01 am

Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:54 am

The minister said the whole country united behind the Springboks during the World Cup in Japan last year and the actions of those who are displaying "racist behaviour and showing racist attitude" will not be tolerate

Someone please explain why it was racist not to bend the knee.

It basically depends on why they didn't kneel, but I don't believe it was racist. It doesn't look good though when it's all the Saffers doing it though. I understand why it's being raised, it perhaps would have been nice for it not to be raised in the press, rather than just making an inquiry to the clubs.

In the Sales game only 4 of the starting 15 bent the knee, all English players. Tuilagi who is not white and plays for England also did not bend the knee nor did a Scottish player, etc.

Amethyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:12 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:01 am

Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:54 am

Someone please explain why it was racist not to bend the knee.

It basically depends on why they didn't kneel, but I don't believe it was racist. It doesn't look good though when it's all the Saffers doing it though. I understand why it's being raised, it perhaps would have been nice for it not to be raised in the press, rather than just making an inquiry to the clubs.

In the Sales game only 4 of the starting 15 bent the knee, all English players. Tuilagi who is not white and plays for England also did not bend the knee nor did a Scottish player, etc.

Its purely racist race politics....forcing anyone to bend before someone else because of colour. I refuse to bend before any man...black , white , brown...but thats me.

What's the point of bending the knee whilst everyone is wearing anti-racism t-shirts anyway. Overkill.

average joe wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:04 am Asking someone to bow to you or your cause is one thing, forcing them is another.

Agreed. Only 4 players from Sale went on one knee, so does the minster's accusation of racism extend to the rest of the Sale team?

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:40 am

average joe wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:04 am Asking someone to bow to you or your cause is one thing, forcing them is another.

Agreed. Only 4 players from Sale went on one knee, so does the minster's accusation of racism extend to the rest of the Sale team?

Only the white guys, especially if they are Afrikaners.

Amethyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:19 pm

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:40 am

average joe wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:04 am Asking someone to bow to you or your cause is one thing, forcing them is another.

Agreed. Only 4 players from Sale went on one knee, so does the minster's accusation of racism extend to the rest of the Sale team?

Only the white guys, especially if they are Afrikaners.

Most of them are Sharks, they are Souties. The Doep lot are souties, Kearsney College.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:34 pm

Amethyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:19 pm

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:40 am

Agreed. Only 4 players from Sale went on one knee, so does the minster's accusation of racism extend to the rest of the Sale team?

Only the white guys, especially if they are Afrikaners.

Most of them are Sharks, they are Souties. The Doep lot are souties, Kearsney College.

Dit maak nie van jou 'n soutie as jy na 'n Engelse skool toe gaan nie, jy gaan net skool in 'n kak taal, dis al.

Seriously ouboet

Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:57 pmSeriously ouboet

your captain is full of inconsistencies.

Someone messed with your mix Sards. You're talking to yourself again

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:34 pm Most of them are Sharks, they are Souties. The Doep lot are souties, Kearsney College.

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:27 pm

Green light echo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:07 am

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:54 am

do you feel a general pain all over your body or is it localized around your lips from sucking my cock

Hit a nerve hey boet? Truth hurts doesn't it.

Pitiful record. Shameful

don't vok with me china. I am not a handyman or Big Nipper with large bellies and small balls

Yeah thats what you doos say but your record is at odds with that.

How long did you hold Tobruk against Rommels Africa Corp. Was it two or three weeks. This is after the Australians had held the city for 8 months. Disgraceful really. As Churchill himself said at the time.

One thing to think you are all hard when beating 5th rate black African troops. However when you have faced the German army you have performed very poorly.

All brawn and no brain might work on the rugby field occasionally but on a true battlefield against a first class adversary you are liable to get properly fucked up.

As Rommel did to you at Tobruk in 1941.

Domination hey boets

One shouldn't but....trying to troll "boets" about what happened in North Africa under Empire control shows a distinct lack of understanding.

Most "boets" were ambivalent about donning a uniform against Germany, with many actively opposed to it. Back to Wikipedia you go.

‘tsek wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:55 am One shouldn't but....trying to troll "boets" about what happened in North Africa under Empire control shows a distinct lack of understanding.

Most "boets" were ambivalent about donning a uniform against Germany, with many actively opposed to it. Back to Wikipedia you go.

Two to three weeks though boet, after the Australians have held for nine months. Shameful.

And yes I agree with you. There has always been a whiff of the Nazis about the Afrikaan.....

Careful now, you'll end up in purgatory again.

average joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:02 am Careful now, you'll end up in purgatory again.

Afrikaners are Catholics?

Green light echo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:08 am

Yeah thats what you doos say but your record is at odds with that.

How long did you hold Tobruk against Rommels Africa Corp. Was it two or three weeks. This is after the Australians had held the city for 8 months. Disgraceful really. As Churchill himself said at the time.

One thing to think you are all hard when beating 5th rate black African troops. However when you have faced the German army you have performed very poorly.

All brawn and no brain might work on the rugby field occasionally but on a true battlefield against a first class adversary you are liable to get properly fucked up.

As Rommel did to you at Tobruk in 1941.

Domination hey boets

Don't vok with us boere dude. Once I build up enough pressure in my steam powered drone I am going to fly it to you and bomb the kak out of you with cattle shit. Unfortunately with loads shedding I can't get a charge on my normal drone but n boer maak n plan

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:10 am Looks like there is grief coming some players' way for not taking a knee during the first round of games.

It's all a bit stupid, isn't it?

I'm all for their right not to kneel and show solidarity, but why wouldn't you?

It's a small gesture that just says "I am aware of the fact that current policing and justice structures are not as equitable as I would like them to be. I think we should change that".
Beyond that, you don't really have to do jack shit.

By not kneeling the risk you take is that people either lump you in with crazy right-wingers, or you are perceived as ignorant or uncaring or defiant of the statement...which is fine, but now you have to defend your stance on the subject and have a PR response ready. Making a stand is fine, but is this the hill you want to die on? I'd pick a different battle personally.

Blake wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:09 am

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:10 am Looks like there is grief coming some players' way for not taking a knee during the first round of games.

It's all a bit stupid, isn't it?

I'm all for their right not to kneel and show solidarity, but why wouldn't you?

It's a small gesture that just says "I am aware of the fact that current policing and justice structures are not as equitable as I would like them to be. I think we should change that".
Beyond that, you don't really have to do jack shit.

By not kneeling the risk you take is that people either lump you in with crazy right-wingers, or you are perceived as ignorant or uncaring or defiant of the statement...which is fine, but now you have to defend your stance on the subject and have a PR response ready. Making a stand is fine, but is this the hill you want to die on? I'd pick a different battle personally.

I don't think you can just assume that the general opinion of not kneeling for BLM is one of being uncaring, etc. There seems to be as many (if not more) people against the idea (for many reasons). They may be religious or maybe they believe that ALL LIVES MATTER and see the BLM movement as racist in itself. Besides, what happened to freedom of speech? Totally bulsshit that they should be forced to do anything they don't want to do. Shouldn't even be a debate.

Blake wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:09 am
It's all a bit stupid, isn't it?

I'm all for their right not to kneel and show solidarity, but why wouldn't you?

It's a small gesture that just says "I am aware of the fact that current policing and justice structures are not as equitable as I would like them to be. I think we should change that".
Beyond that, you don't really have to do jack shit.

By not kneeling the risk you take is that people either lump you in with crazy right-wingers, or you are perceived as ignorant or uncaring or defiant of the statement...which is fine, but now you have to defend your stance on the subject and have a PR response ready. Making a stand is fine, but is this the hill you want to die on? I'd pick a different battle personally.

I think it's unfair of them to make them choose. As has been said elsewhere, BLM has become a very politicised movement and there are a lot of things they stand for that I wouldn't support. Ideally all teams should have agreed on their own show of solidarity, such as rugby against racism.

I did chuckle at Renaldo Bothma's response:

I will never take a knee to anyone else than GOD! Where are all these ministers when we need to take a knee for farm murders in South Africa and take action against corruption? We all can decide what we want to do! NOBODY HAS ANY RIGHT TO FORCE SOMEONE TO GO ON THEIR KNEES!

Taking a knee is a submissive act. I don't see why anyone should be forced to submit to any person or any movement. Ultimately from a South African perspective, this is just another ANC distraction tactic. "Stop complaining about corruption, violent crime rates, and poor education. Look at how these white South Africans living thousands of km aren't kneeling!!!!" (despite them wearing anti-racism shirts before the start of the game, but the ANC will obviously ignore that).

Going on one knee during a sexual act could be a sign of domination though.

Why "take the knee" why not wear a ribbon, a shirt or a hat? What is the significance? Going down on a knee can mean different things to different people.

average joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:31 am Why "take the knee" why not wear a ribbon, a shirt or a hat? What is the significance? Going down on a knee can mean different things to different people.

Why Black Lives Matters? Why not Oxfam? Red Cross? UNHCR? There are literally thousands of causes that rugby players can get behind, what makes one leapfrog the others?

I refuse to take the knee



Ffs..who is going to help me get up again.



Mind I can still wiggle the jiggle...but thats a different priority

assfly wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:52 am

average joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:31 am Why "take the knee" why not wear a ribbon, a shirt or a hat? What is the significance? Going down on a knee can mean different things to different people.

Why Black Lives Matters? Why not Oxfam? Red Cross? UNHCR? There are literally thousands of causes that rugby players can get behind, what makes one leapfrog the others?

Why are they mutually exclusive?

Why can you not take a knee to support BLM and also have a black profile pic in opposition to farm murders?

This is the part of the ALL LIVES MATTER and BLUE LIVES MATTER narrative that infuriates the bona-fide BLM activists. It’s a false equivalence that is peddled into the mainstream in an attempt to dilute or completely delegitimise a valid grievance.

It’s exactly for this same reason that Farm Murders will struggle to get political urgency in South Africa. Every time it is raised, others muddy the waters to try and delegitimise the concern: “more blacks get killed in townships daily”, “the farmers stole the land anyway” etc etc...they are all valid societal issues that needs to be addressed, but playing “victimization top trumps” isn’t going to get anything positive done. At some point one side is going to have to show solidarity with the other to get an effective movement going.

It is way more powerful (and useful) for a white anti-farm murder activist to shake off attacks from EFF and ANC critics if he is also a vocal supporter of a cause to promote equitable justice systems. It seems like a win-win to me. Just my opinion.