What to do with Beauden Barrett?

[Carter's Choice]

You may want to perpetuate this myth, but I'm not buying it for a minute. Perhaps you can provide some instances of Jordie's speed being an issue. If what you're suggesting is true, I'm sure there must be many examples...

60th minute in yesterday's Highlanders vs Hurricanes match. Footage should be readily available online. Jordie Barrett gets smoked by Mitch Hunt on the outside, and then looks like he is jogging on the spot when chasing. Mitch Hunt is hardly the White Joe Rokocoko.

[Wild Beef]

He’s not elite-quick, and that’s not a deal breaker for me. The fastest winger in world rugby (that US fella) was far from the best.

[Gumboot]

You may want to perpetuate this myth, but I'm not buying it for a minute. Perhaps you can provide some instances of Jordie's speed being an issue. If what you're suggesting is true, I'm sure there must be many examples...

People don't make YouTube highlights packages of people running slow.

If he's got pace, there must be a highlights package of him using speed to score/set up tries? He's been around long enough. Please, point out to me one time Jordie used pace to achieve anything?

He gets a lot done by being big and strong. He runs good lines. I'm not saying he's a poor player. Just not a fast one.

I don't have to point out anything. You're the one asserting that "he's a very slow player". Let me know when (if) you finally manage to find an example.

[FujiKiwi]

All due respect, Gumboot, but you're talking a load of bollocks. If I show you a video of Barrett running slow, you'll say "Oh, that doesn't prove he can't run fast". You've already done it on this thread.

No, the burden of proof is on you to show me one instance he shows any pace.

[Gumboot]

He’s not elite-quick, and that’s not a deal breaker for me. The fastest winger in world rugby (that US fella) was far from the best.

Exactly. He may not be Rieko rapid, but he's quick enough. Maybe to some people his long stride makes him look slower than he really is?

[Gumboot]

All due respect, Gumboot, but you're talking a load of bollocks. If I show you a video of Barrett running slow, you'll say "Oh, that doesn't prove he can't run fast". You've already done it on this thread.

No, the burden of proof is on you to show me one instance he shows any pace.

No deflections please, the onus of proof is squarely on you.

Take your time, by all means.

[FujiKiwi]

Maybe to some people his long stride makes him look slower than he really is?

What, like he's running through very thick treacle?

No deflections please, the onus of proof is squarely on you.

This is disingenuous from you, Gumboot. Any given game you've watched shows Jordie plodding around the field. You say he's fast. All it takes is one video to prove it.

[Enzedder]

I will make no other comment than to say "what a fantastic problem to have".

[Carter's Choice]

Whether Jordie Barrett is fast or slow is a very subjective assessment. But what we do know is that he made Mitch Hunt look like a young Doug Howlett yesterday afternoon at Forysyth Barr Stadium.

[Kiwias]

Whether Jordie Barrett is fast or slow is a very subjective assessment. But what we do know is that he made Mitch Hunt look like a young Doug Howlett yesterday afternoon at Forysyth Barr Stadium.

The way Hunt smoked JB was somewhat surreal. I admit to whipping back to the team sheet to check that it really was Hunt.

[FujiKiwi]

I will make no other comment than to say "what a fantastic problem to have".

The problem that the All Black coach will keep selecting flawed incumbents, supported by fans like Gumboot who seem hellbent on the ABs keeping the status quo?

[Gumboot]

Maybe to some people his long stride makes him look slower than he really is?

What, like he's running through very thick treacle?

No deflections please, the onus of proof is squarely on you.

This is disingenuous from you, Gumboot. Any given game you've watched shows Jordie plodding around the field. You say he's fast. All it takes is one video to prove it.

How is asking for evidence that "he's a very slow player" being disingenuous? Mate, if you can't find anything apart from AC's unconvincing example from yesterday, just say so. Otherwise we're just going around in circles.

[Gumboot]

Whether Jordie Barrett is fast or slow is a very subjective assessment. But what we do know is that he made Mitch Hunt look like a young Doug Howlett yesterday afternoon at Forysyth Barr Stadium.

Yeah, I never thought he had that turn of speed.

[Carter's Choice]

Mate, if you can't find anything apart from AC's unconvincing example from yesterday, just say so. Otherwise we're just going around in circles.

I'm not sure how much more convincing an example could be? Hunt made JB his plaything.

[Gumboot]

I will make no other comment than to say "what a fantastic problem to have".

The problem that the All Black coach will keep selecting flawed incumbents, supported by fans like Gumboot who seem hellbent on the ABs keeping the status quo?

Yeah, coz that's exactly what I said. And you're calling me disingenuous?

[FujiKiwi]

How is asking for evidence that "he's a very slow player" being disingenuous? Mate, if you can't find anything apart from AC's unconvincing example from yesterday, just say so. Otherwise we're just going around in circles.

You're either being deeply illogical or just ripping the piss. If I show you a video of Jordie running slowly, it doesn't prove me right. But if you show a video of Jordie running fast, I'm wrong. Therefore the burden of proof is on you.

I suspect you're just on the wind up. That's fine.

[Gumboot]

Nope, not a wind up. And I really can't be bothered with your stupid accusations any more. Put up or shut up.

[FujiKiwi]

I will make no other comment than to say "what a fantastic problem to have".

The problem that the All Black coach will keep selecting flawed incumbents, supported by fans like Gumboot who seem hellbent on the ABs keeping the status quo?

Yeah, coz that's exactly what I said. And you're calling me disingenuous?

You do seem to have a track record of "giving benefit of the doubt" to incumbent ABs rather than be guided on players' actual form and ability. I find your viewpoints on selection a bit stuffy and conservative.

[Gumboot]

You do seem to have a track record of "giving benefit of the doubt" to incumbent ABs rather than be guided on players' actual form and ability. I find your viewpoints on selection a bit stuffy and conservative.

Couldn't care less, mate.

And as you clearly have no intention of backing up your ridiculous assertion that Jordie's "a very slow player", I'm out.

[Enzedder]

I will make no other comment than to say "what a fantastic problem to have".

The problem that the All Black coach will keep selecting flawed incumbents, supported by fans like Gumboot who seem hellbent on the ABs keeping the status quo?

I bet Gumboot feels honoured that Fozzie will check with him first

[FujiKiwi]

Nope, not a wind up. And I really can't be bothered with your stupid accusations any more. Put up or shut up.

You don't seem to understand the logic of the situation. Think it over and you'll see that he burden of proof is on you.

Happy YouTubing. You have hours of footage to pore over.

[Carter's Choice]

At 5.03 on this clip. Happy for people to make up their own minds about JB's pace

[FujiKiwi]

I bet Gumboot feels honoured that Fozzie will check with him first

I'm beginning to think they're one and the same person.

[Slarty FizzyO]

I'm out.

Good coz you're ruining the thread with your inability to prove JB has pace. JB is a white poor man's Israel Folau and fails the ABs mythical no dickheads policy.

A classic jack of all positions, master of none player. Can't wait to see him and his brothers destroy teams in the Amber & Black

[CrazyIslander]

At 5.03 on this clip. Happy for people to make up their own minds about JB's pace

Not definitive JB was flat-footed. He's definitely not elite speed or acceleration, but no one gets picked as an outside back for the ABs if they're slow.

[Wild Beef]

At 5.03 on this clip. Happy for people to make up their own minds about JB's pace

Yep, he’s not quick. His acceleration is terrible too though and I think that’s the more damning bit in the clip. Once JB is at pace he’s not losing ground anymore but that acceleration is the opposite of his brother’s.

[wet-socks]

Jordie Barrett is like an extra loose forward/centre playing in the backs, his defensive presence is the most significant I've seen in any outside back since I started watching rugby.

As a last-line of defense he literally stops opposition players in their tracks and makes countless try saving tackles. His power on defense is such that he slams the ball carrier to the ground and halts all momentum of the attacking team, in doing so he usually turns the ball over for his team also. His strength is insane.

I've seen it countless times where Jordie stalled an attacking opportunity, where he holds up the ball carrier and turns the ball over. His strength is incredible. He has all the attributes of a world class centre. I still believe his best position is probably 12.

[FujiKiwi]

I still believe his best position is probably 12.

Aren't you assuming SBW will come back and take that spot by right, after a year "single-handedly reinventing league" again?

[Wild Beef]

He developed as a twelve but that was a while ago now. You lose his ability under the high ball and long range kicking from the back if you move him. I prefer him injecting himself from time to time like he currently does.

[wet-socks]

I find the Jordie Barrett criticism strange. He's been unquestionably the best performing outside back of Super Rugby Aotearoa.

Why the need to highlight any perceived weakness in his game, when you could pick apart a lot more in Bridge, Reece, Jordan?

[Monkey Magic]

Having a big boot at the back is hugely underrated, it means even if the forwards are getting beaten up you can clear your lines and not spend 80min hard on defence

[Gumboot]

Does anyone in the country have a better wide pass right now?

[obelixtim]

Does anyone in the country have a better wide pass right now?

Snecky.

[Gumboot]

Does anyone in the country have a better wide pass right now?

Snecky.

OK, besides him.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Can we all agree that video is unlikely to make Steve Hansen's Barrett brother wank bank?

[Jb1981]

Is Bernard Foley considered fast?

https://rugbyonslaught.com/footage-bern ... 0m-behind/

[Jambanja]

This is an interesting topic and all that but who are the ABs going to be playing this season to warrant worrying about this?

[Biffer]

I reckon he's realised that he's an the way out with the ABs and he's insisting he's a ten as that's where hell get more money when he goes to France.

[Monkey Magic]

This is an interesting topic and all that but who are the ABs going to be playing this season to warrant worrying about this?

until Tuesday last week the wallabies were a chance. Thats slipped a bit

[Wild Beef]

Is Bernard Foley considered fast?

https://rugbyonslaught.com/footage-bern ... 0m-behind/

He’s no slouch, but he wouldn’t catch most NZ wingers.