Climate Change - Why don't we care?

[epwc]

They (we) absolutely are. In Dhaka at the moment, the air pollution makes your eyes sting and your throat sore.

Very easy for the big buyers to get their factories to be greener but they chase every last cent.

At least they’ve got a metro line working now, the other 9 now on hold after the ousting of sheikh Hasina

[epwc]

Plenty of upsides though

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4dz7l181wo

[epwc]

Multiple articles in the Dhaka Tribune about agricultural losses due to flooding

[Guy Smiley]

Multiple articles in the Dhaka Tribune about agricultural losses due to flooding

Two glaring symptoms that are going to start impacting mainstream populations very soon are flooding and wildfire. We keep seeing stories from all over the world showing 'unprecedented' damage from both phenomenon. The penny is still dropping through space though, yet to strike the surface and cause some sudden start into wakefulness.

[Sandstorm]

It’s just a bit of weather….

[dpedin]

Multiple articles in the Dhaka Tribune about agricultural losses due to flooding

Two glaring symptoms that are going to start impacting mainstream populations very soon are flooding and wildfire. We keep seeing stories from all over the world showing 'unprecedented' damage from both phenomenon. The penny is still dropping through space though, yet to strike the surface and cause some sudden start into wakefulness.

The biggest impact of above as well as major droughts on mainstream populations will be food production and prices. As climate change takes impact the likes of flooding, wildfire and drought will impact on many major food production centers. For example southern Spain, a source of much of the UK fruit and veg is already struggling due to drought and this will accelerate. Many countries will begin to focus on self sufficiency rather than food exporting as the supply chains struggle. The UK only produces 60% of what it consumes albeit this could be a bit higher if we stopped exporting and accepted a less varied diet. The lack and affordability of food and famine will trigger huge waves of refugees from Africa, we aint seen nothing yet folks!

[Guy Smiley]

That's what I was thinking of but I was too lazy to specify just what sort of impact I was referring to...

food and water security, on top of the physical and immediate devastation that accompanies flood and fire. We are seeing the begginnings of something that should have us all terrified... our ecosystems are breaking down and we're accelerating into the carnage.

Western governments seem to be caving in to oil and gas companies left right and centre and the 'climate scepticsm' spreading through coordinated misinformation campaigns funded by those industry groups has Joe Bloggs waving an airy hand of dismissal.

Wait until food scarcity hits hard or.... shock horror, you can't get coffee beans anymore because their growing environments have been altered and rendered unfeasible.

Imagine... how will the people cope with NO COFFEE. That's the sort of scarcity that's going to start hitting soon.

[epwc]

It’s not that simple. The west can afford to buy its way out of the problem, looking around Dhaka I can see that millions of Bangladeshis will be unable to.

Leading to the one thing that all the western countries fear the most; mass migration.

[Hal Jordan]

It’s not that simple. The west can afford to buy its way out of the problem, looking around Dhaka I can see that millions of Bangladeshis will be unable to.

Leading to the one thing that all the western countries fear the most; mass migration.

The West in general, but for many, it's becoming more and more of an issue - no flood insurance and similar. "First World problems" but it is only going to get worse.

[epwc]

I guess at least 50% of the world don’t have anything to insure, but yeah it will increasingly become an issue for poorer people in the west

[Guy Smiley]

One of my favourite graphics...



Contained within that circle, of course, is the Himalaya and the so called 3rd Pole ice cap that supplies the water that feeds pretty much that entire region. Like the other two polar ice caps, it's shrinking along with pretty much all of the glaciers we monitor world wide. On top of that alarming reduction in fresh water stocks (and the troubling lengths China is going to to control and hoard it) that region encompassed by that circle also sees some of the most destructive storms on the planet and they are getting stronger. Then there's the small issue of sea level rise encroaching on coastal land and communities.

I'm not sure Africa is going to be the main source of climate refugee movements, myself.

[epwc]

I’ve been saying for years it’ll be those who rely on the Himalayas, nice graphic

[epwc]

Anyway, being right or wrong isn’t going to help, climate change denial will not protect anyone.

I have a farmer friend who voted leave and is a climate change denier. Didn’t stop 30% of his crops being washed away last winter, English farmers have suffered huge crop losses this year, as I’m sure all other UK farmers will have.

[Biffer]

Anyway, being right or wrong isn’t going to help, climate change denial will not protect anyone.

I have a farmer friend who voted leave and is a climate change denier. Didn’t stop 30% of his crops being washed away last winter, English farmers have suffered huge crop losses this year, as I’m sure all other UK farmers will have.

Not just English farmers - the Olive crop was dreadful across the med last year, which is why the price has nearly doubled.

[laurent]

Anyway, being right or wrong isn’t going to help, climate change denial will not protect anyone.

I have a farmer friend who voted leave and is a climate change denier. Didn’t stop 30% of his crops being washed away last winter, English farmers have suffered huge crop losses this year, as I’m sure all other UK farmers will have.

Not just English farmers - the Olive crop was dreadful across the med last year, which is why the price has nearly doubled.

Wait till you see the mess French farmers are facing (it's been so wet all harvest are fucked).
(it's a change from it's been so dry all the harvests are fucked)

[Hal Jordan]

Anyway, being right or wrong isn’t going to help, climate change denial will not protect anyone.

I have a farmer friend who voted leave and is a climate change denier. Didn’t stop 30% of his crops being washed away last winter, English farmers have suffered huge crop losses this year, as I’m sure all other UK farmers will have.

Yes, but that just means there's no global warming, innit? How can there be if it's raining?

[epwc]

Not all global warming but bleak and depressing:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c24558g69mgo

[epwc]

Mount Fuji still snowless

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dp1l8wklo

[Slick]

We've had a spill into the sea here this morning, a bright pink chemical. Looks like a pipe cleaning contactor to the swimming pool on the prom has just dumped it all down a drain. Scottish Environmental Protection Agency being absolutely fucking useless.

[Enzedder]

I know that this event is just "weather" but the frequency of these (e.g. North Carolina) is most definitely changing climate and rapidly changing at that.



Poor buggers in Spain had bugger all chance looking at the videos being posted

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3604 ... ues-deadly

[epwc]

Yep, but we're all still fannying around.

My wife has a friend who owns an apartment in Valencia, they probably travel backwards and forwards 20 plus times a year, generally with friends and family in tow. Sometimes the flights are less than £5 return.

Absolutely bloody mental

[petej]

I know that this event is just "weather" but the frequency of these (e.g. North Carolina) is most definitely changing climate and rapidly changing at that.



Poor buggers in Spain had bugger all chance looking at the videos being posted

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3604 ... ues-deadly

It will also be land usage based. nothing holding/absorbing water up stream. Lots of hard surfaces. Spain has also destroyed much of its coastal wetlands which impacts rain fall elsewhere.

[dpedin]

I know that this event is just "weather" but the frequency of these (e.g. North Carolina) is most definitely changing climate and rapidly changing at that.



Poor buggers in Spain had bugger all chance looking at the videos being posted

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3604 ... ues-deadly

It will also be land usage based. nothing holding/absorbing water up stream. Lots of hard surfaces. Spain has also destroyed much of its coastal wetlands which impacts rain fall elsewhere.

No different in the UK - straightening streams/rivers and then building on natural flood plains. When they flood we just build bigger flood protections and merely increase more violent water flow further down the rivers. We need to reverse this trend and actually learn how to use land higher up stream to hold and store flood waters. Remember commercial forester mate of mine many years ago looking very guilty at floods in Perth (Scotland) and admitted it was partly due to how they plant forests upstream now to make them easier to grow and harvest but unfortunately that meant water flowed off the mountains at a far faster rate than in natural forests hence flooding.

[robmatic]

I know that this event is just "weather" but the frequency of these (e.g. North Carolina) is most definitely changing climate and rapidly changing at that.



Poor buggers in Spain had bugger all chance looking at the videos being posted

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3604 ... ues-deadly

It will also be land usage based. nothing holding/absorbing water up stream. Lots of hard surfaces. Spain has also destroyed much of its coastal wetlands which impacts rain fall elsewhere.

No different in the UK - straightening streams/rivers and then building on natural flood plains. When they flood we just build bigger flood protections and merely increase more violent water flow further down the rivers. We need to reverse this trend and actually learn how to use land higher up stream to hold and store flood waters. Remember commercial forester mate of mine many years ago looking very guilty at floods in Perth (Scotland) and admitted it was partly due to how they plant forests upstream now to make them easier to grow and harvest but unfortunately that meant water flowed off the mountains at a far faster rate than in natural forests hence flooding.

I don't know about Scotland but in Yorkshire a lot of the grouse moors have had their drainage 'improved' as well so they will also shed the water faster.

[epwc]

The world is full of cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... could-rise

[Guy Smiley]

The world is full of cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... could-rise

Last year, Sweden’s centre-right coalition government, backed by the far-right Sweden Democrats, announced the tax would be abolished.

It's always 'the Right'. Those cunce are out to kill the world.

[epwc]

I just don't understand the point though, what benefit is there to the population?

[Guy Smiley]

I just don't understand the point though, what benefit is there to the population?

lOwER tAxEs

[epwc]

Wonder what Joe Marler would say? He's my new guru

[Guy Smiley]

Wonder what Joe Marler would say? He's my new guru

[Niegs]

Some interesting thoughts in here and in the comments too.




Reading one comment about the impact made by greenhouses vs shipping foods that can't be grown locally in nature was especially of interest. I'm a simple fella and tend to eat a lot of the same stuff. I started thinking about this when watching those period Farm shows, discussing how simple and seasonal diets were... probably right up to the Second World War for the average family. Our property wasn't more than an acre, I don't think. Our garden items ended up in a root cellar - we ate a LOT of potatoes and carrots, had one pig of our own, and got a side of beef from my uncle's farm. Had a lot of preserves in jars. My grandmother's still alive and only sold her home when my grandfather died in 2019 but hadn't done any preserving since the 90s, probably? My parents never kept it up despite having the land to do so.

I wonder what kind of shift could be made if we shipped less from overseas / consumed less? Growth seems to require expansion and thus more people, which take up available space and resources and require more to be brought in to supply / feed them than the local area can produce. The documentary doesn't really cover this and I'm still searching for an answer if an economy can thrive without expansion as such...

[epwc]

As a species we are obsessed by our own position relative to others, this is expressed nowadays primarily through material wealth. Hard to see that unravelling any time soon.

[epwc]

I know that this event is just "weather" but the frequency of these (e.g. North Carolina) is most definitely changing climate and rapidly changing at that.



Poor buggers in Spain had bugger all chance looking at the videos being posted

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3604 ... ues-deadly

I think I've a;ready said about wifes mate who's got a place in Valencia. Her and her fella fly out there virtually every other weekend, generally with loads of other people in tow.

They've formed a whatsapp group to figure out when to fly out there to help with the rescue effort. Dunno what to say, tbh I don't even know if I should be angry or happy. What the fuck joy is there in flying to anywhere for a weekend?

as Jim Morrison said:

"What have they done to the earth, yeah?
What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn and
Tied her with fences and dragged her down
I hear a very gentle sound
With your ear down to the ground
We want the world and we want it (we want the world and we want it!)
Now"

[Sandstorm]

They've formed a WhatsApp group to figure out when to fly out there to help with the rescue effort.

Your friends are stupid and deaf. The Spanish authorities have begged everyone to stay away as they'll just get in the way.

[inactionman]

I know that this event is just "weather" but the frequency of these (e.g. North Carolina) is most definitely changing climate and rapidly changing at that.



Poor buggers in Spain had bugger all chance looking at the videos being posted

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3604 ... ues-deadly

I think I've a;ready said about wifes mate who's got a place in Valencia. Her and her fella fly out there virtually every other weekend, generally with loads of other people in tow.

They've formed a whatsapp group to figure out when to fly out there to help with the rescue effort. Dunno what to say, tbh I don't even know if I should be angry or happy. What the fuck joy is there in flying to anywhere for a weekend?

as Jim Morrison said:

"What have they done to the earth, yeah?
What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn and
Tied her with fences and dragged her down
I hear a very gentle sound
With your ear down to the ground
We want the world and we want it (we want the world and we want it!)
Now"

I'll admit I used to be one of those who went on copious weekend breaks around Europe courtesy of cheap air travel. It is nice to wake up in a different place, even if only for a couple of days. Now, though, I haven't left the UK since pre-covid, and think most of my holidays will be via campervan and ferry for the foreseeable.

I do find it odd that your wife's mates go back and forth to the same place - it just sounds a hassle. A few of my wife's family have villas in Spain and South France, but they'll go for a 1-2 month stint..

[epwc]

They have too many social commitments to stay in Spain for an extended period

[epwc]

Your friends are stupid and deaf. The Spanish authorities have begged everyone to stay away as they'll just get in the way.

I’m actually seeing quite a few of them tonight, I’ve already told the missus that it’s risky, no idea how many mates she’ll lose tonight

[Sandstorm]

Your friends are stupid and deaf. The Spanish authorities have begged everyone to stay away as they'll just get in the way.

I’m actually seeing quite a few of them tonight, I’ve already told the missus that it’s risky, no idea how many mates she’ll lose tonight

[Guy Smiley]

[Biffer]

Your friends are stupid and deaf. The Spanish authorities have begged everyone to stay away as they'll just get in the way.

I’m actually seeing quite a few of them tonight, I’ve already told the missus that it’s risky, no idea how many mates she’ll lose tonight

I really want to know how this went…