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Enzedder wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:43 pm This is a post on FB from a republican

UPDATE: numbers updated as of July 8, still trending in the right direction. And keep in mind that these numbers include Covid, Flu and pneumonia deaths.

If you’re struggling to stay positive because of all the negative info that is always reported by the media or being shared on social media, remember that there are always positives to find if you sift through the noise. Media and social media in general thrives and survives off emotion, fear, and anxiety and it’s almost impossible to stay positive while being bombarded by all of this.

Covid is real and we need to be responsible humans getting through this. While infections have been going up for a number of weeks now and we need to keep fighting that spread, here’s some positive news that doesn’t get enough attention from the CDC website with info updated as of July 6. No number of deaths are anything to get excited about but the trends going in the right direction are certainly a positive. Since the peak of 16,374 deaths nationwide for the week ending April 18th, the number of deaths per week have been declining while the number of recoveries are clearly increasing at a positively rapid rate each week with a low of 464 deaths the week ending 6/27. Currently for the week ending 7/4 the number of deaths nationwide stands at 71. That final number will change a little throughout this next week so the link is included below for you to keep an eye on it as things progress.

When questioned about the Worldometers total for yesterday, he basically said that it's wrong and his figures are from CDC.

However, CDC figures take weeks to be generated from County medical Examiners records but you can see what they are up against - it's getting better in their minds even though infection rates are at record levels.

Trump has a lot to answer for

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:14 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:56 pm

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:14 pm

I hope she's marketing them as death shrouds; because they might work as them, because they'll be bugger all good as masks.

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:42 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:41 am

-RB. wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:00 am

Says who? Gotta link to this?

From what I've read (which is only really New Scientist tbf) the science on this is still very unclear and may actually depend on the severity of the case and subsequent immune response I.e. asymptomatic cases may not have the same immune memory as cases illiciting a larger immune response.

That's my understanding as well. The early research suggests antibodies go out of the system relatively quickly but they don't understand how the combination of antibodies an T cells functions.

And wrt vaccines, they tend to produce an immune system response for a lot longer than a natural antibody reaction.

I heard this on the radio this morning. Sounds like a very small study, and there doesn't appear to be any understanding of the viral loads of these people when they were infected.

They;re already talking about booster jabs for the first round of vaccines as it stands, and for all this talk of not getting immunity, I still don;t think there's been a case of someone getting it twice that hasn't been traced back to a false positive/false negative during the testing phases

Double wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:37 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:42 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:41 am

That's my understanding as well. The early research suggests antibodies go out of the system relatively quickly but they don't understand how the combination of antibodies an T cells functions.

And wrt vaccines, they tend to produce an immune system response for a lot longer than a natural antibody reaction.

I heard this on the radio this morning. Sounds like a very small study, and there doesn't appear to be any understanding of the viral loads of these people when they were infected.

They;re already talking about booster jabs for the first round of vaccines as it stands, and for all this talk of not getting immunity, I still don;t think there's been a case of someone getting it twice that hasn't been traced back to a false positive/false negative during the testing phases

It basically means the opposite of what most media outlets are presenting it as, i.e. it's more likely to be good news. Lots of people evidently have immunity to the disease, there's been no cases of anyone being infected twice despite massive testing prevalence, so that means that immunity isn't dependent only on the specific type of antibodies which seroprevalence is testing for, but might be possible with things like T-cell response.

It could actually help explain why places like London are statistically experiencing something like herd immunity with only about 10-15% tested prevalence of antibodies.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:47 pm

Double wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:37 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:42 pm

I heard this on the radio this morning. Sounds like a very small study, and there doesn't appear to be any understanding of the viral loads of these people when they were infected.

They;re already talking about booster jabs for the first round of vaccines as it stands, and for all this talk of not getting immunity, I still don;t think there's been a case of someone getting it twice that hasn't been traced back to a false positive/false negative during the testing phases

It basically means the opposite of what most media outlets are presenting it as, i.e. it's more likely to be good news. Lots of people evidently have immunity to the disease, there's been no cases of anyone being infected twice despite massive testing prevalence, so that means that immunity isn't dependent only on the specific type of antibodies which seroprevalence is testing for, but might be possible with things like T-cell response.

It could actually help explain why places like London are statistically experiencing something like herd immunity with only about 10-15% tested prevalence of antibodies.

No. There are confirmed cases of people being infected twice now I believe.

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:56 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:47 pm

Double wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:37 pm

It basically means the opposite of what most media outlets are presenting it as, i.e. it's more likely to be good news. Lots of people evidently have immunity to the disease, there's been no cases of anyone being infected twice despite massive testing prevalence, so that means that immunity isn't dependent only on the specific type of antibodies which seroprevalence is testing for, but might be possible with things like T-cell response.

It could actually help explain why places like London are statistically experiencing something like herd immunity with only about 10-15% tested prevalence of antibodies.

No. There are confirmed cases of people being infected twice now I believe.

Can you source that? There was an epidemiologist on Radio 5 saying that despite reports, there has been no confirmed double infections

Have people caught it twice?
There were early reports of people appearing to have multiple coronavirus infections in a short space of time.

But the scientific consensus is that testing was the issue, with patients being incorrectly told they were free of the virus.

Nobody has been deliberately reinfected with the virus to test immunity, but a pair of rhesus macaque monkeys have.

They were infected twice, once to build up an immune response and then a second time three weeks later. Those very limited experiments showed they did not develop symptoms again after such a quick reinfection.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:32 pm https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.co ... d-immunity

The time frame also fits with the study showing antibody levels dropping off significantly.

Plato’sCave wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:58 pm 2021 is going to make 2020 look like bag-end, face masks, tracking apps and vaccines are not going to do anything, the Earth is fucked, at every level. You’ve got 2 months until other factors come into play. Then it just piles on and on.

Plato’sCave wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:58 pm 2021 is going to make 2020 look like bag-end, face masks, tracking apps and vaccines are not going to do anything, the Earth is fucked, at every level. You’ve got 2 months until other factors come into play. Then it just piles on and on.

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:21 am

Plato’sCave wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:58 pm 2021 is going to make 2020 look like bag-end, face masks, tracking apps and vaccines are not going to do anything, the Earth is fucked, at every level. You’ve got 2 months until other factors come into play. Then it just piles on and on.

Aren't you just a bundle of optimism.

Clogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:04 am

Plato’sCave wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:58 pm 2021 is going to make 2020 look like bag-end, face masks, tracking apps and vaccines are not going to do anything, the Earth is fucked, at every level. You’ve got 2 months until other factors come into play. Then it just piles on and on.

Break out the coke and hookers!

Plato’sCave wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:58 pm 2021 is going to make 2020 look like bag-end, face masks, tracking apps and vaccines are not going to do anything, the Earth is fucked, at every level. You’ve got 2 months until other factors come into play. Then it just piles on and on.

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:46 am

Plato’sCave wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:58 pm 2021 is going to make 2020 look like bag-end, face masks, tracking apps and vaccines are not going to do anything, the Earth is fucked, at every level. You’ve got 2 months until other factors come into play. Then it just piles on and on.

Plato’s Cave taking the glass half empty view.

Can someone tell us the best case scenario for the world over the next couple of years? Realistically. In simple terms the layman will be able to follow.

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:19 am .

Very good. I was following along seriously at first.

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:22 am

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:19 am .

Very good. I was following along seriously at first.

Who would win crusaders v zombie world 15?

mat the expat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:40 am Still a few acquaintances in the US claiming this is all Deep State manipulation.....

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:31 am

mat the expat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:40 am Still a few acquaintances in the US claiming this is all Deep State manipulation.....

Do you read Saffer 13's posts on FB as well? (Not quite that bad but he takes the CDC daily figures and notes a decline in deaths and reports those. However, CDC always adjust as advices come through from the Medical Examiners around the country so it can take 4/6 weeks before they get an accurate figure - but these are never reported.

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:28 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:22 am

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:19 am .

Very good. I was following along seriously at first.

Who would win crusaders v zombie world 15?

The “God-tier” Scott Robertson- coached Crusaders, of course, Ymx. Stop asking such dumb questions.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:25 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53397617

UK face masks in shops mandatory from 24 July.

(be careful, bimobot will try and dismiss this as an opinion piece)

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:56 pm https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 6.html?amp

A horrifying description of how easy it is to be a superspreader

Also a telling example of why, when you've driven infection levels down, r0 stops being a useful indicator

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:15 am You seem healthy again. Covid or just bad shrimp?

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:25 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53397617

UK face masks in shops mandatory from 24 July.

(be careful, bimobot will try and dismiss this as an opinion piece)

"Nothing would make me less likely to go shopping than the thought of having to mask up," says Conservative Sir Desmond Swayne who calls the new rule for shoppers in England a "monstrous imposition"

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 pm Fuck me after 10 days of governmment dithering on the subject, you still get dinosaurs like this

"Nothing would make me less likely to go shopping than the thought of having to mask up," says Conservative Sir Desmond Swayne who calls the new rule for shoppers in England a "monstrous imposition"

duke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:09 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 pm Fuck me after 10 days of governmment dithering on the subject, you still get dinosaurs like this

"Nothing would make me less likely to go shopping than the thought of having to mask up," says Conservative Sir Desmond Swayne who calls the new rule for shoppers in England a "monstrous imposition"

Desmond Swayne's spent the entire time since the start of lockdown making fatuous comments like this, the guy's a relic

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:52 pm 1285 new cases reported in the UK - that's not good at all.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:05 pm

duke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:09 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 pm Fuck me after 10 days of governmment dithering on the subject, you still get dinosaurs like this

Desmond Swayne's spent the entire time since the start of lockdown making fatuous comments like this, the guy's a relic

Dickhead, hope he catches it from his Garden Services staff.