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convoluted wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:19 pm ... They gonna shoot me up just prior (to announcing my VP) to make sure I’ll be sharp enough to pronounce it right. Bad look otherwise ...

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:06 am it's the same choice as last time for them. Choose the devil you know or the devil you don't.

convoluted wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:30 am

convoluted wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:19 pm ... They gonna shoot me up just prior (to announcing my VP) to make sure I’ll be sharp enough to pronounce it right. Bad look otherwise ...

Oh fcek. Medics!! Double the dosage!! Triple it!!! Senile babbling dribbling Joke Biden has just gone and pronounced her as "Camel-uh" rather than the correct "Karma-la".
You couldn't make this half-wit up, let alone could you invent his worshippers on this forum.

Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:47 am

I think the election is tough to call because whilst his administration has been an incoherent mess I think Trump successfully portrayed himself as the law and order President during the worst of the rioting and stuff like CHOP was a massive own goal for the democrat brand. For the mayor of Seattle to go from trying to portray the autonomous zone as a "summer of love" to then having to send the police in to end the occupation after murder and violence,

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:12 am Trump will rig the election by usual means - closing election booths, delaying postal votes, getting supreme court to dismiss votes etc. He will find a way.

Fonz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:20 am They really should have expanded the criteria beyond "have a black vagina", but that's just where the Democrats are right now I guess.

Glaston wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:55 am

convoluted wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:30 am

convoluted wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:19 pm ... They gonna shoot me up just prior (to announcing my VP) to make sure I’ll be sharp enough to pronounce it right. Bad look otherwise ...

Oh fcek. Medics!! Double the dosage!! Triple it!!! Senile babbling dribbling Joke Biden has just gone and pronounced her as "Camel-uh" rather than the correct "Karma-la".
You couldn't make this half-wit up, let alone could you invent his worshippers on this forum.

How will the new revamped Spitting Image deal with this?

The brain in the cup beside the bed along with the dentures has beeen done.

Zig wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:53 am

Fonz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:20 am They really should have expanded the criteria beyond "have a black vagina", but that's just where the Democrats are right now I guess.

This guy voted for Hillary Clinton, believe that?

convoluted wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:30 am

convoluted wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:19 pm ... They gonna shoot me up just prior (to announcing my VP) to make sure I’ll be sharp enough to pronounce it right. Bad look otherwise ...

Oh fcek. Medics!! Double the dosage!! Triple it!!! Senile babbling dribbling Joke Biden has just gone and pronounced her as "Camel-uh" rather than the correct "Karma-la".
You couldn't make this half-wit up, let alone could you invent his worshippers on this forum.

By early April, some who worked on the plan were given the strong impression that it would soon be shared with President Trump and announced by the White House. The plan, though imperfect, was a starting point. Simply working together as a nation on it “would have put us in a fundamentally different place,” said the participant.

But the effort ran headlong into shifting sentiment at the White House. Trusting his vaunted political instincts, President Trump had been downplaying concerns about the virus and spreading misinformation about it—efforts that were soon amplified by Republican elected officials and right-wing media figures. Worried about the stock market and his reelection prospects, Trump also feared that more testing would only lead to higher case counts and more bad publicity. Meanwhile, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, was reportedly sharing models with senior staff that optimistically—and erroneously, it would turn out—predicted the virus would soon fade away.

Against that background, the prospect of launching a large-scale national plan was losing favor, said one public health expert in frequent contact with the White House’s official coronavirus task force.

Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:47 am

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:06 am it's the same choice as last time for them. Choose the devil you know or the devil you don't.

I agree with you on this apart from the fact that now Trump is a known quantity in office.

The Dem ticket has much the same feel as 2016, male-female, establishment centrist types, gaffe prone and uninspiring. From what I saw in the primaries Kamalas supporters (the so-called K-hive) are the die hard Hillary voters of 2016. They hate the Bernie bros. and in general are scornful of progressives. I suppose the democrats have done their homework and calculated that the votes of young progressives are not going to have a decisive impact on determining the outcome of the election.

I think the election is tough to call because whilst his administration has been an incoherent mess I think Trump successfully portrayed himself as the law and order President during the worst of the rioting and stuff like CHOP was a massive own goal for the democrat brand. For the mayor of Seattle to go from trying to portray the autonomous zone as a "summer of love" to then having to send the police in to end the occupation after murder and violence, to now having to layoff 100 officers and accept the resignation of her female African American chief of Police in the name of "defunding the Police", that stuff is sure to have resonated with voters. According to polling Americans trust the police as an institution more than politicians and the media and the stridently anti police rhetoric that has been swirling around this year could be met with a backlash in November imho.

Zig wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:35 am

Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:47 am

I think the election is tough to call because whilst his administration has been an incoherent mess I think Trump successfully portrayed himself as the law and order President during the worst of the rioting and stuff like CHOP was a massive own goal for the democrat brand. For the mayor of Seattle to go from trying to portray the autonomous zone as a "summer of love" to then having to send the police in to end the occupation after murder and violence,

Another way of looking at it is that Trump is ultimately responsible for the disorder that has gone on and has actually made things worse with his dictatorial actions. Nevermind the complete mess he has made of dealing with Covid 19.

It doesn't need many who voted for him in swing states to be fed up with his nonsense to turn the election decisively against him.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:48 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:12 am Trump will rig the election by usual means - closing election booths, delaying postal votes, getting supreme court to dismiss votes etc. He will find a way.

In unconnected news the Sec. of State for Ohio, a Republican as it happens, has announced there will no no extra drop boxes for ballots this coming November. The idea of the drop boxes is that if you're under time pressure to get your ballot returned, either you're late posting it or there's a problem with the postal service, you can simply submit your ballot directly into one of the drop boxes. Drop boxes are pretty common in States used to postal voting, and Ohio is likely to see a lot of postal voting this coming election. Difficult to see how this is other than voter suppression

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:09 am

Zig wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:35 am

Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:47 am

I think the election is tough to call because whilst his administration has been an incoherent mess I think Trump successfully portrayed himself as the law and order President during the worst of the rioting and stuff like CHOP was a massive own goal for the democrat brand. For the mayor of Seattle to go from trying to portray the autonomous zone as a "summer of love" to then having to send the police in to end the occupation after murder and violence,

Another way of looking at it is that Trump is ultimately responsible for the disorder that has gone on and has actually made things worse with his dictatorial actions. Nevermind the complete mess he has made of dealing with Covid 19.

It doesn't need many who voted for him in swing states to be fed up with his nonsense to turn the election decisively against him.

I prefer this point but that implies that Trump supporters will see through his bullshit so .....

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:11 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:48 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:12 am Trump will rig the election by usual means - closing election booths, delaying postal votes, getting supreme court to dismiss votes etc. He will find a way.

In unconnected news the Sec. of State for Ohio, a Republican as it happens, has announced there will no no extra drop boxes for ballots this coming November. The idea of the drop boxes is that if you're under time pressure to get your ballot returned, either you're late posting it or there's a problem with the postal service, you can simply submit your ballot directly into one of the drop boxes. Drop boxes are pretty common in States used to postal voting, and Ohio is likely to see a lot of postal voting this coming election. Difficult to see how this is other than voter suppression

Jesus.....well at least its not one of the states that could decide the election.....

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:18 am

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:09 am

Zig wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:35 am

Another way of looking at it is that Trump is ultimately responsible for the disorder that has gone on and has actually made things worse with his dictatorial actions. Nevermind the complete mess he has made of dealing with Covid 19.

It doesn't need many who voted for him in swing states to be fed up with his nonsense to turn the election decisively against him.

I prefer this point but that implies that Trump supporters will see through his bullshit so .....

One of the features of the pandemic has been the number of people at home watching the news. Mostly people don't follow the new, and certainly don't follow politics, so they're pretty able to stay within their normal voting patterns without having the preference challenged.

But with the pandemic a large number of people who normally wouldn't have paid much attention to Trump, or indeed any President, have been sat at home thinking some variant on WTAF is he doing or not doing as the case may be. Now this mayn't be the same as Trump supporters, but certainly a lot of Trump/GOP voters have been given huge pause for thought by being exposed to his dangerous ramblings in a way that'd have never normally happened.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:40 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:18 am

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:09 am

I prefer this point but that implies that Trump supporters will see through his bullshit so .....

One of the features of the pandemic has been the number of people at home watching the news. Mostly people don't follow the new, and certainly don't follow politics, so they're pretty able to stay within their normal voting patterns without having the preference challenged.

But with the pandemic a large number of people who normally wouldn't have paid much attention to Trump, or indeed any President, have been sat at home thinking some variant on WTAF is he doing or not doing as the case may be. Now this mayn't be the same as Trump supporters, but certainly a lot of Trump/GOP voters have been given huge pause for thought by being exposed to his dangerous ramblings in a way that'd have never normally happened.

On the flip side it does mean that he's been given an incredible opportunity to campaign for re-election by using those briefings as naked political rallies, on a near-daily basis.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:54 am shower pressure, shower pressure. that's the important thing right now.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:55 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:40 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:18 am


One of the features of the pandemic has been the number of people at home watching the news. Mostly people don't follow the new, and certainly don't follow politics, so they're pretty able to stay within their normal voting patterns without having the preference challenged.

But with the pandemic a large number of people who normally wouldn't have paid much attention to Trump, or indeed any President, have been sat at home thinking some variant on WTAF is he doing or not doing as the case may be. Now this mayn't be the same as Trump supporters, but certainly a lot of Trump/GOP voters have been given huge pause for thought by being exposed to his dangerous ramblings in a way that'd have never normally happened.

On the flip side it does mean that he's been given an incredible opportunity to campaign for re-election by using those briefings as naked political rallies, on a near-daily basis.

Diana Ross was more successful in front of an open goal. It was a chance though, had he appeared authoritative, calm, caring and empathic, even vaguely presidential, it would have helped him hugely, but he wouldn't be Trump if he could be those things.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:48 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:12 am Trump will rig the election by usual means - closing election booths, delaying postal votes, getting supreme court to dismiss votes etc. He will find a way.

In unconnected news the Sec. of State for Ohio, a Republican as it happens, has announced there will no no extra drop boxes for ballots this coming November. The idea of the drop boxes is that if you're under time pressure to get your ballot returned, either you're late posting it or there's a problem with the postal service, you can simply submit your ballot directly into one of the drop boxes. Drop boxes are pretty common in States used to postal voting, and Ohio is likely to see a lot of postal voting this coming election. Difficult to see how this is other than voter suppression

Fonz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:27 am

Zig wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:53 am

Fonz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:20 am They really should have expanded the criteria beyond "have a black vagina", but that's just where the Democrats are right now I guess.

This guy voted for Hillary Clinton, believe that?

What's your point

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:09 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:55 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:40 am

On the flip side it does mean that he's been given an incredible opportunity to campaign for re-election by using those briefings as naked political rallies, on a near-daily basis.

Diana Ross was more successful in front of an open goal. It was a chance though, had he appeared authoritative, calm, caring and empathic, even vaguely presidential, it would have helped him hugely, but he wouldn't be Trump if he could be those things.

He was none of those things when campaigning the first time round. He has near-total coverage and unlimited bully pulpit time. It makes a difference and it does sway people.

The fact that it does is horrifying, of course.

Fangle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:09 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:48 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:12 am Trump will rig the election by usual means - closing election booths, delaying postal votes, getting supreme court to dismiss votes etc. He will find a way.

In unconnected news the Sec. of State for Ohio, a Republican as it happens, has announced there will no no extra drop boxes for ballots this coming November. The idea of the drop boxes is that if you're under time pressure to get your ballot returned, either you're late posting it or there's a problem with the postal service, you can simply submit your ballot directly into one of the drop boxes. Drop boxes are pretty common in States used to postal voting, and Ohio is likely to see a lot of postal voting this coming election. Difficult to see how this is other than voter suppression

There never have been drop boxes in Georgia and very limited postal voting. But voting is controlled by counties rather than the state.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:09 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:55 am

Diana Ross was more successful in front of an open goal. It was a chance though, had he appeared authoritative, calm, caring and empathic, even vaguely presidential, it would have helped him hugely, but he wouldn't be Trump if he could be those things.

He was none of those things when campaigning the first time round. He has near-total coverage and unlimited bully pulpit time. It makes a difference and it does sway people.

The fact that it does is horrifying, of course.

I agree people are being swayed, but none of the data suggests that's other than away from Trump.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:16 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:09 pm

He was none of those things when campaigning the first time round. He has near-total coverage and unlimited bully pulpit time. It makes a difference and it does sway people.

The fact that it does is horrifying, of course.

I agree people are being swayed, but none of the data suggests that's other than away from Trump.

The data said the same thing last time.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:49 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:16 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:45 pm

I agree people are being swayed, but none of the data suggests that's other than away from Trump.

The data said the same thing last time.

It said he was losing the popular vote, it didn't say GOP voters who'd hold their nose and vote for Trump or some Dem supporters interested by his nonsense rhetoric on restoring the past were moving away from him. Though I'm not willing to believe he'll be out until he's out, so if others don't want to get their hopes up I get that.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:10 pm
I'm really conscious of how much "free airtime" with a captive audience can impact things. Look at Farage and the impact he's had thanks to endless appearances on TV.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:10 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:49 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:16 pm

The data said the same thing last time.

It said he was losing the popular vote, it didn't say GOP voters who'd hold their nose and vote for Trump or some Dem supporters interested by his nonsense rhetoric on restoring the past were moving away from him. Though I'm not willing to believe he'll be out until he's out, so if others don't want to get their hopes up I get that.

I'm really conscious of how much "free airtime" with a captive audience can impact things. Look at Farage and the impact he's had thanks to endless appearances on TV.

Camroc2 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:36 pm I see Trump is now admitting that he is deliberately with-holding funding from the USPS in order to sabotage mail-in voting in the Presidential election.

Surely this is fraud on a huge scale and Trump is setting himself up for a huge fail ?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-a ... ?r=US&IR=T

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:44 pm

Camroc2 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:36 pm I see Trump is now admitting that he is deliberately with-holding funding from the USPS in order to sabotage mail-in voting in the Presidential election.

Surely this is fraud on a huge scale and Trump is setting himself up for a huge fail ?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-a ... ?r=US&IR=T

Trump can cite the USPS is making huge losses, and thus he's seeking to address that rather than anything else. However there are reasons USPS is struggling financially, some of the commitments expected of them don't apply to many agencies, or businesses, and they've struggled since Bush Jr. loaded them with a shit load of additional spend on future pension and health costs.

Now maybe those pension and health costs they're expected to set aside for are themselves reasonable, but almost nobody else has to fund programmes as does the USPS, and if you strip out the changes Bush made they would be making money, and that would undermine the stated concerns of Trump about them losing money.

There is also a debate about does it matter they're losing money? The post is a public service, if you just want to say services should be closed when they cost money how does Trump explain sinking vastly more into the amend forces? The loss on the postal service is small change next to the military spend

Zig wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:28 pm

Fonz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:27 am

Zig wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:53 am

This guy voted for Hillary Clinton, believe that?

What's your point

Self evident, I'd have thought, for anyone who isn't disingenuous.