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Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:48 am**

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:37 am Williams F1 sold to Dorilton Capital. Will retain Williams name, base in Grove etc

What sort of wealth have they got behind them? Any track record in motorsport/sport 'investment'?

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:51 am**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:48 am
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:37 am Williams F1 sold to Dorilton Capital. Will retain Williams name, base in Grove etc
What sort of wealth have they got behind them? Any track record in motorsport/sport 'investment'?

Funnily enough, Dorilton are one of my customers.

They are stupidly wealthy, but this is their first real investment in sport of any flavour; however they have experience with advanced technology and manufacturing

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:24 pm**

104th Indy 500 is about to start. (not the 2004th as announces during the driver intros)

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:36 pm**

Thanks for the reminder. Switched over just in time to see the front right on fire

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:43 pm**

This whole Sky-CBS commentary is really annoying

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:50 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:43 pm This whole Sky-CBS commentary is really annoying

Turning left is annoying

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:53 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:50 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:43 pm This whole Sky-CBS commentary is really annoying
Turning left is annoying

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:02 pm**

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:22 pm**

O'Ward FTW.

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:14 pm**

last stop, Dixon's to lose?

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:31 pm**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:14 pm last stop, Dixon's to lose?

He can’t get near Sato

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:33 pm**

He’s farked that into the pit entrance.

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:37 pm**

Takumo Sato

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:40 pm**

Oh well. That was almost exciting there for a while.

Yesterday’s MotoGP was off the charts. Most amazing season I can remember, easily.

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:57 pm**

Cyril Abiteboul watching the Indy500;

Posted: **Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:48 am**

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:40 pm Oh well. That was almost exciting there for a while.

Yesterday’s MotoGP was off the charts. Most amazing season I can remember, easily.

Awesome race. Having two "sprints" added to the excitement and although happy for Oliviera, Mir and Suzuki really deserved something. What makes it so interesting is the sheer number of newcomers, none of whom seem to have any respect for the elder statesmen and the status quo. True racing.

Posted: **Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:56 am**

‘tsek wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:48 am
Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:40 pm Oh well. That was almost exciting there for a while.

Yesterday’s MotoGP was off the charts. Most amazing season I can remember, easily.
Awesome race. Having two "sprints" added to the excitement and although happy for Oliviera, Mir and Suzuki really deserved something. What makes it so interesting is the sheer number of newcomers, none of whom seem to have any respect for the elder statesmen and the status quo. True racing.

I too felt sorry for Mir, he had ridden a great race until the red flag. Mebees his tyres would have hurt him anyway?

Posted: **Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:54 am**

Un Pilier wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:56 am
‘tsek wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:48 am
Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:40 pm Oh well. That was almost exciting there for a while.

Yesterday’s MotoGP was off the charts. Most amazing season I can remember, easily.
Awesome race. Having two "sprints" added to the excitement and although happy for Oliviera, Mir and Suzuki really deserved something. What makes it so interesting is the sheer number of newcomers, none of whom seem to have any respect for the elder statesmen and the status quo. True racing.
I too felt sorry for Mir, he had ridden a great race until the red flag. Mebees his tyres would have hurt him anyway?

Possibly but the restart meant fresh softs for those that had them. I’d prefer to see the option to change tyres for a restart removed... you choose tyres for a full length race after all. No one is going to strategically keep a set of softs on the off chance there’s a restart, it’s just luck having them left over from qualifying.

Posted: **Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:44 pm**

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:54 am
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:56 am
‘tsek wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:48 am

Awesome race. Having two "sprints" added to the excitement and although happy for Oliviera, Mir and Suzuki really deserved something. What makes it so interesting is the sheer number of newcomers, none of whom seem to have any respect for the elder statesmen and the status quo. True racing.
I too felt sorry for Mir, he had ridden a great race until the red flag. Mebees his tyres would have hurt him anyway?
Possibly but the restart meant fresh softs for those that had them. I’d prefer to see the option to change tyres for a restart removed... you choose tyres for a full length race after all. No one is going to strategically keep a set of softs on the off chance there’s a restart, it’s just luck having them left over from qualifying.

Yeah, agree completely. Chapeaux to Maverick btw. Stepping off a bike at 150mph or so takes a bit of doing despite the wisdom of doing so in those circumstances - not that you have long to think about it

Posted: **Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:19 pm**

Un Pilier wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:44 pm
Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:54 am
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:56 am

I too felt sorry for Mir, he had ridden a great race until the red flag. Mebees his tyres would have hurt him anyway?
Possibly but the restart meant fresh softs for those that had them. I’d prefer to see the option to change tyres for a restart removed... you choose tyres for a full length race after all. No one is going to strategically keep a set of softs on the off chance there’s a restart, it’s just luck having them left over from qualifying.
Yeah, agree completely. Chapeaux to Maverick btw. Stepping off a bike at 150mph or so takes a bit of doing despite the wisdom of doing so in those circumstances - not that you have long to think about it

Pity he didn't use his brains instead of his balls. Had pretty much no brakes since lap 3 then launches the bike into a corner to oblivion. It could of hit anyone, especially in light of last weekend, it was completely feckless.
Looks to be a sweeping change coming through MotoGP with Marquez out, his brother is a bit shit though, should'nt be within an ass's roar of that honda.

Posted: **Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:30 pm**

I still can’t get my head around what Vinales has to do in there... hitting somewhere close to 240kmh and sitting up to brake, telemetry shows he’d slowed to about 210kmh by the time he slid off the bike. To have to process that choice at that speed and execute is unreal.

Posted: **Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:36 pm**

Holy Moly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:19 pm
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:44 pm
Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:54 am

Possibly but the restart meant fresh softs for those that had them. I’d prefer to see the option to change tyres for a restart removed... you choose tyres for a full length race after all. No one is going to strategically keep a set of softs on the off chance there’s a restart, it’s just luck having them left over from qualifying.
Yeah, agree completely. Chapeaux to Maverick btw. Stepping off a bike at 150mph or so takes a bit of doing despite the wisdom of doing so in those circumstances - not that you have long to think about it
Pity he didn't use his brains instead of his balls. Had pretty much no brakes since lap 3 then launches the bike into a corner to oblivion. It could of hit anyone, especially in light of last weekend, it was completely feckless.
Looks to be a sweeping change coming through MotoGP with Marquez out, his brother is a bit shit though, should'nt be within an ass's roar of that honda.

All the Yamaha guys were worried about brakes and seemed to have experienced deterioration. Total failure is a different kettle of fish n’est pas?

As for the Honda it has been developed solely to suit MM to the extent no-one else can ride it to its potential, even Cal Crutchlow. Honda have created a major problem for themselves.

Posted: **Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:54 pm**

Yeah. It seems that Honda have developed a bit of a dog. They did the same when Gardner rode with them... Doohan arrived and the bike was an ill behaved beast of a thing. His input turned it into a world beater.

Yamaha have a major issue with power. They’re 15kmh down on speed. As for the brakes, Crafar mentioned in commentary that there’s a mismatch with the calipers they’re using. With a two week break now I’d expect some action on that as well as the practise of riding a crashed bike back to Theo it’s during practise. One of the Moto2 guys did that with oil spewing out of the engine

As for Alex Marquez... he was apparently the fast one as kids. He dominated Moto2 after that changed to the Triumph engine after being more of a midfield runner on the Honda. I think he’ll come good but it’ll take a change of direction from Honda to see it. In that sense a year without Marc riding will do them good, just as it’s revitalised the competition in general. His absence and the improvement from KTM has given us a fantastic season to watch.

Posted: **Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:59 pm**

Un Pilier wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:36 pm
Holy Moly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:19 pm
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:44 pm

Yeah, agree completely. Chapeaux to Maverick btw. Stepping off a bike at 150mph or so takes a bit of doing despite the wisdom of doing so in those circumstances - not that you have long to think about it
Pity he didn't use his brains instead of his balls. Had pretty much no brakes since lap 3 then launches the bike into a corner to oblivion. It could of hit anyone, especially in light of last weekend, it was completely feckless.
Looks to be a sweeping change coming through MotoGP with Marquez out, his brother is a bit shit though, should'nt be within an ass's roar of that honda.
All the Yamaha guys were worried about brakes and seemed to have experienced deterioration. Total failure is a different kettle of fish n’est pas?

As for the Honda it has been developed solely to suit MM to the extent no-one else can ride it to its potential, even Cal Crutchlow. Honda have created a major problem for themselves.

He didn't change the valve brembo recommended AFAIK, he was the only one who cruised around with his hand in the air, indicating a failure of some kind, we now know it was the brakes, yet then continues on. Brake fade doesn't improve with use, often leading to the type of failure he had. It was reckless with his experience, launching a bike at 150mph into a corner. I mention this specifically with what happened the previous week in mind.
Honda have sacrificed all on MM, it's useless with anybody but him.

Posted: **Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:28 am**

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:54 am
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:56 am
‘tsek wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:48 am

Awesome race. Having two "sprints" added to the excitement and although happy for Oliviera, Mir and Suzuki really deserved something. What makes it so interesting is the sheer number of newcomers, none of whom seem to have any respect for the elder statesmen and the status quo. True racing.
I too felt sorry for Mir, he had ridden a great race until the red flag. Mebees his tyres would have hurt him anyway?
Possibly but the restart meant fresh softs for those that had them. I’d prefer to see the option to change tyres for a restart removed... you choose tyres for a full length race after all. No one is going to strategically keep a set of softs on the off chance there’s a restart, it’s just luck having them left over from qualifying.

Agree re. tyres and restarts, race distance should be just that, but the two restarts we have had have contributed to the spectacle. As to riding with less balls and more brains, nah, it's the balls to the wall stuff that makes me tune to this rather than, say, watching the biggest budget team lead the procession round and round.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:44 pm**

It had been quiet from F1 with the weekend off, but suddenly a couple of things have been announced:

- F1 have confirmed the season will finish at 17 races, with Istanbul, a Bahrain double header, and Abu Dhabi rounding off the schedule
- Renault have withdrawn their appeal against the Tracing Point penalty for copying. Ferrari's appeal remains

On the first point about the season length, while now being 5 races fewer than the originally planned season, it's well in line with the season length for most if the last decade

On the second..... have Renault been paid off? And seriously, Ferrari just look stupid considering what they appear to have got away with recently

Posted: **Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:07 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:44 pmFerrari just look stupid

Posted: **Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:18 pm**

The rumour doing the rounds is that Bernie Ecclestone provided the money for Dorilton to buy Williams!

Posted: **Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:10 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:44 pm And seriously, Ferrari just look stupid considering what they appear to have got away with recently

They might just be laying down a marker for next season; because given the state of their current package; they definitely don't want to be racing a 2020 Merc clone, in 2021.

Posted: **Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:26 am**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:10 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:44 pm And seriously, Ferrari just look stupid considering what they appear to have got away with recently
They might just be laying down a marker for next season; because given the state of their current package; they definitely don't want to be racing a 2020 Merc clone, in 2021.

You mean 2022? That's the rule change, and a 2021 car would be illegal in 2022

Posted: **Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:27 pm**

Just realised that the 2nd Bahrain race will be on the outer circuit rather than the usual layout. This is probably as close as we will ever get to seeing an F1 car on an oval circuit - 9 corners, most if which will be flat out, 3 long straights, expected lap time is around 55s at an average 230kph - the only thing keeping it that slow are the 3 corners needing heavy braking - which the F1 ERS system needs anyway for energy harvesting

Posted: **Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:24 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:27 pm Just realised that the 2nd Bahrain race will be on the outer circuit rather than the usual layout. This is probably as close as we will ever get to seeing an F1 car on an oval circuit - 9 corners, most if which will be flat out, 3 long straights, expected lap time is around 55s at an average 230kph - the only thing keeping it that slow are the 3 corners needing heavy braking - which the F1 ERS system needs anyway for energy harvesting

Will certainly be a novelty. Would it be on the sim racing rigs the drivers use, will they have to learn the track the old fashioned way ? Imagine the older guys might have an edge if so ?

Posted: **Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:14 pm**

Holy Moly wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:24 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:27 pm Just realised that the 2nd Bahrain race will be on the outer circuit rather than the usual layout. This is probably as close as we will ever get to seeing an F1 car on an oval circuit - 9 corners, most if which will be flat out, 3 long straights, expected lap time is around 55s at an average 230kph - the only thing keeping it that slow are the 3 corners needing heavy braking - which the F1 ERS system needs anyway for energy harvesting
Will certainly be a novelty. Would it be on the sim racing rigs the drivers use, will they have to learn the track the old fashioned way ? Imagine the older guys might have an edge if so ?

Shouldn’t think it will be overly complicated. Looks like a Merc track with added Merc.

Posted: **Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:18 pm**

Holy Moly wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:24 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:27 pm Just realised that the 2nd Bahrain race will be on the outer circuit rather than the usual layout. This is probably as close as we will ever get to seeing an F1 car on an oval circuit - 9 corners, most if which will be flat out, 3 long straights, expected lap time is around 55s at an average 230kph - the only thing keeping it that slow are the 3 corners needing heavy braking - which the F1 ERS system needs anyway for energy harvesting
Will certainly be a novelty. Would it be on the sim racing rigs the drivers use, will they have to learn the track the old fashioned way ? Imagine the older guys might have an edge if so ?

There's detailed info available on all FIA grade 1 circuits (there are 46 if them) so they can just load it in. The slow corners will be a challenge for everyone as the cars will need to be Monza spec downforce if not lower. DRS zones could play a major part, and there should be loads of slipstreaming, unusually for an F1 race. I would expect the Mercedes to run away with it, but the midfield could see a LOT of action

Posted: **Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:45 pm**

Superb video of the cars going through Eau Rouge / Radillon today. Can’t remember sensing the speed like that on tv before. Feels much faster at the track of course, though maybe the sound of the v8s and V10s had a lot to do with that. I haven’t been to Spa in the hybrid era.

Posted: **Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:48 pm**

Hamilton sets 2 lap records to take pole by half a second.
Strong chance of rain tomorrow to mix things up a bit.

If today was any indication it's just as well Monza will be closed to fans next week, for the whole Ferrari team's sake

Posted: **Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:07 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:48 pm Hamilton sets 2 lap records to take pole by half a second.
Strong chance of rain tomorrow to mix things up a bit.

If today was any indication it's just as well Monza will be closed to fans next week, for the whole Ferrari team's sake

We need rain. These 2020 cars going round corners at 220kph flat is just insane.

Posted: **Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:20 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:07 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:48 pm Hamilton sets 2 lap records to take pole by half a second.
Strong chance of rain tomorrow to mix things up a bit.

If today was any indication it's just as well Monza will be closed to fans next week, for the whole Ferrari team's sake
We need rain. These 2020 cars going round corners at 220kph flat is just insane.

Wait till we get the Venturi tunnels on the 2022 cars. Fast corners might as well be straights then

Posted: **Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:27 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:20 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:07 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:48 pm Hamilton sets 2 lap records to take pole by half a second.
Strong chance of rain tomorrow to mix things up a bit.

If today was any indication it's just as well Monza will be closed to fans next week, for the whole Ferrari team's sake
We need rain. These 2020 cars going round corners at 220kph flat is just insane.
Wait till we get the Venturi tunnels on the 2022 cars. Fast corners might as well be straights then

The on board footage was amazing... that graphic imposed on the halo is fantastic. Coming down out of turn 9, the ‘corner with no name’ and through the series of lefts running down hill, Hamilton was tapped, showing 295km/h

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Posted: **Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:46 pm**

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:27 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:20 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:07 pm

We need rain. These 2020 cars going round corners at 220kph flat is just insane.
Wait till we get the Venturi tunnels on the 2022 cars. Fast corners might as well be straights then
The on board footage was amazing... that graphic imposed on the halo is fantastic. Coming down out of turn 9, the ‘corner with no name’ and through the series of lefts running down hill, Hamilton was tapped, showing 295km/h.

It's nerd interest level really but just imagine how much mechanical and aero load is going through the suspension components when a car is going that fast in a corner?!

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