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convoluted wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:24 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:18 pm The GOP are desperate to disenfranchise anyone who might vote for the Democrats; while simultaneously doing their level best to kill off the thick fucks that vote for whatever gimp the GOP roll out

I'm puzzled as to how Voter ID, standard since forever not just in the US but in every democracy, can somehow identify who to disenfranchise.
Congratulations -- you have just concocted the ultimate Conspiracy Theory.

I suspect you mean that the requirement somehow, after many decades, suddenly restricts Black voters.
So what you are saying to us is "Dem Black Fellas dey so dumb they don't know how to use ID to vote ... Dey so dumb dey don't know it's the exact same ID they use to get their benefits if applicable or to get their Covid support."

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:00 am

convoluted wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:24 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:18 pm The GOP are desperate to disenfranchise anyone who might vote for the Democrats; while simultaneously doing their level best to kill off the thick fucks that vote for whatever gimp the GOP roll out

I'm puzzled as to how Voter ID, standard since forever not just in the US but in every democracy, can somehow identify who to disenfranchise.
Congratulations -- you have just concocted the ultimate Conspiracy Theory.

I suspect you mean that the requirement somehow, after many decades, suddenly restricts Black voters.
So what you are saying to us is "Dem Black Fellas dey so dumb they don't know how to use ID to vote ... Dey so dumb dey don't know it's the exact same ID they use to get their benefits if applicable or to get their Covid support."

Standard in every democracy, eh

You really know what you're talking about

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:00 am

convoluted wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:24 am
I'm puzzled as to how Voter ID, standard since forever not just in the US but in every democracy, can somehow identify who to disenfranchise.
Congratulations -- you have just concocted the ultimate Conspiracy Theory.

I suspect you mean that the requirement somehow, after many decades, suddenly restricts Black voters.
So what you are saying to us is "Dem Black Fellas dey so dumb they don't know how to use ID to vote ... Dey so dumb dey don't know it's the exact same ID they use to get their benefits if applicable or to get their Covid support."

Standard in every democracy, eh

You really know what you're talking about

ID not needed to vote in the UK... so that's one down...

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:00 am

convoluted wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:24 am
I'm puzzled as to how Voter ID, standard since forever not just in the US but in every democracy, can somehow identify who to disenfranchise.
Congratulations -- you have just concocted the ultimate Conspiracy Theory.

I suspect you mean that the requirement somehow, after many decades, suddenly restricts Black voters.
So what you are saying to us is "Dem Black Fellas dey so dumb they don't know how to use ID to vote ... Dey so dumb dey don't know it's the exact same ID they use to get their benefits if applicable or to get their Covid support."

Standard in every democracy, eh

You really know what you're talking about

ID not needed to vote in the UK... so that's one down...

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:15 am You don’t need ID in your hand to vote in UK, but you have to register in advance and be on the list.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:31 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:15 am You don’t need ID in your hand to vote in UK, but you have to register in advance and be on the list.

Untrue.

As a home-owner in Aberdeen, I never registered and didn't even have a British passport at the time.

I only found out I was on the voter's roll when I was telephoned by the local Tory canvassing for votes in an election.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 am There is far more that just id in the bill. It's more odious provisions are aimed at reducing the number of options for how you can vote; & indeed doing so to the point where it is logistically, impossible for all registered voters to vote in a ward; if the GOP doesn't fancy their chances.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 am There is far more that just id in the bill. It's more odious provisions are aimed at reducing the number of options for how you can vote; & indeed doing so to the point where it is logistically, impossible for all registered voters to vote in a ward; if the GOP doesn't fancy their chances.

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:17 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 am There is far more that just id in the bill. It's more odious provisions are aimed at reducing the number of options for how you can vote; & indeed doing so to the point where it is logistically, impossible for all registered voters to vote in a ward; if the GOP doesn't fancy their chances.

How do they achieve this?

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:12 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:31 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:15 am You don’t need ID in your hand to vote in UK, but you have to register in advance and be on the list.

Untrue.

As a home-owner in Aberdeen, I never registered and didn't even have a British passport at the time.

I only found out I was on the voter's roll when I was telephoned by the local Tory canvassing for votes in an election.

You, or someone in your household, must have completed the annual canvas?

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:34 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:12 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:31 am

Untrue.

As a home-owner in Aberdeen, I never registered and didn't even have a British passport at the time.

I only found out I was on the voter's roll when I was telephoned by the local Tory canvassing for votes in an election.

You, or someone in your household, must have completed the annual canvas?

It seems unlikely. I was a single man living on my own, but I suppose there might have been a census or something that I filled out. I certainly didn't intend to register to vote.

I wasn't a citizen at the time and I informed the official of such. He said "you are on the voter's roll".

The point is that at no time was I required to show any ID.

Certainly not my passport and the driver's license at the time was a folded sheet of pink paper.

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:43 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:34 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:12 am

You, or someone in your household, must have completed the annual canvas?

It seems unlikely. I was a single man living on my own, but I suppose there might have been a census or something that I filled out. I certainly didn't intend to register to vote.

I wasn't a citizen at the time and I informed the official of such. He said "you are on the voter's roll".

The point is that at no time was I required to show any ID.

Certainly not my passport and the driver's license at the time was a folded sheet of pink paper.

The inly way you end up.on tge electoral role is if you deliberately register, or complete the annual canvas. But you don't need to prove any ID at any point

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:02 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:43 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:34 pm

It seems unlikely. I was a single man living on my own, but I suppose there might have been a census or something that I filled out. I certainly didn't intend to register to vote.

I wasn't a citizen at the time and I informed the official of such. He said "you are on the voter's roll".

The point is that at no time was I required to show any ID.

Certainly not my passport and the driver's license at the time was a folded sheet of pink paper.

The inly way you end up.on tge electoral role is if you deliberately register, or complete the annual canvas. But you don't need to prove any ID at any point

I have no idea how it happened, but I can categorically say that I didn't register.

I wasn't even a citizen at the time. There is no way I considered myself as eligible to vote and no way I would have applied to do so.

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:59 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:02 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:43 pm

The inly way you end up.on tge electoral role is if you deliberately register, or complete the annual canvas. But you don't need to prove any ID at any point

I have no idea how it happened, but I can categorically say that I didn't register.

I wasn't even a citizen at the time. There is no way I considered myself as eligible to vote and no way I would have applied to do so.

I can see how you might have completed the canvas without realising what that entailed

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:08 am

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:59 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:02 pm
I have no idea how it happened, but I can categorically say that I didn't register.

I wasn't even a citizen at the time. There is no way I considered myself as eligible to vote and no way I would have applied to do so.

I can see how you might have completed the canvas without realising what that entailed

I think it's more likely that my name was added to the voter's roll on the basis of my owning property.

The point is that I never applied to be on the voter's roll as I wasn't a citizen at the time and I didn't think I was eligible.

This undermines the suggestion that photo ID is necessary for registration to vote in the UK as I didn't have any. (My Zimbabwean passport was refused renewal due to me not being black).

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:08 am

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:59 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:02 pm
I have no idea how it happened, but I can categorically say that I didn't register.

I wasn't even a citizen at the time. There is no way I considered myself as eligible to vote and no way I would have applied to do so.

I can see how you might have completed the canvas without realising what that entailed

I think it's more likely that my name was added to the voter's roll on the basis of my owning property.

The point is that I never applied to be on the voter's roll as I wasn't a citizen at the time and I didn't think I was eligible.

This undermines the suggestion that photo ID is necessary for registration to vote in the UK as I didn't have any. (My Zimbabwean passport was refused renewal due to me not being black).

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:59 pm In Ireland canvassers for Political parties used to take peoples details when they called door-to-door, & if you answered that you weren't registered they'd often ask you if you wanted to be; & they'd put your details in for you.

In the cases of some of them; they wouldn't even ask your permission; they'd just do it; & I know a few people you used to get polling cards at multiple addresses as a result.

In some ways it was handy; as students in particular wouldn't be registered at their term address; but at home; but the database was full for wrong information; so they did a purge a few years ago, & got rid of most of them.

convoluted wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:25 pm Where I am you cannot register to vote without providing a verifiable document of ID and proof of address ... exactly as I needed to do just so I could borrow books from the local council library !

Prior to an election, a voter slip is posted to your address.
You take that slip to the voting center where it is exchanged for a ballot paper after you answer an identification question. Your name on the roll is then ruled through in ink as having voted.

Stacey Abrams was always touted as a strong candidate to be Biden's Vice President because she fulfilled all apparent requirements for the position -- she was female and black.

Abrams made repeated shrill condemnation of the proposed ID verification as "Jim Crow on Steroids".
But with all recent polls indicating that the bulk of American voters approve of such, she has done a flip-flop to endorse Voter ID, exactly as the Democrats now blame Defund the Police on the Republicans because all polls show that even Blacks want more cops on the street, not fewer.
You guys seem to have missed the memo passing on the instruction as to the current position(s) you should be adopting.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:27 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:17 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 am There is far more that just id in the bill. It's more odious provisions are aimed at reducing the number of options for how you can vote; & indeed doing so to the point where it is logistically, impossible for all registered voters to vote in a ward; if the GOP doesn't fancy their chances.

How do they achieve this?

They showed their hand in November, in Texas, when they tried to reduce the number of polling places, & cutting the hours they would be open; & also reducing the number of drop boxes in a district, to the point where people would have to get in the car & drive for a hour, or two, to get to a box where they could place their sealed postal ballot.

There were people standing in line, for 5-6 hours, waiting to vote; because the GOP didn't want them to vote; it was trying to get them to give up on exercising their vote; by making the process as painful, as possible

Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:16 am The measure taken to restrict voting for the parts of the electorate seen as hostile to the Republican Party are not just limited to requiring photo ID, but increasing the waiting times for voting in certain areas by limiting the availability voting points and preventing those waiting in line from being offered water or other sustenance as they wait.

These are clearly attempts to disenfranchise voters who are deemed not to vote for the correct party.

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Gumboot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:25 am The totally fucked up Texas Republican anti-abortion law came into effect today, making virtually all abortions after 6 weeks of pregnancy illegal. Most women aren't even aware they're pregnant at 6 weeks - over 85% of abortions happen after 6 weeks.

The new law also sets out to financially reward Texans for dobbing in their fellow citizens who "aid and abet" anyone "seeking" an abortion. Apparently, aiding and abetting can include such heinous offences as driving a pregnant woman who's seeking medical advice to a doctor. Orwellian shit.

These are the same Republican state politicians who vehemently oppose mask mandates as govt overreach.

If men could get pregnant, there'd be free-of-charge abortion clinics on every street corner in America.

convoluted wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:38 pm Just wondering how the Blacks in the US are ever going to be able to do anything ever again.
Presumably you will only get your vaccine passport if you had acceptable ID proof when you were vaccinated, and as we all know it's totally unfair to demand that of Blacks because they are incapable of producing such.
Not to mention that Blacks are by far the racial group most resistant to getting the vaccines.

Vaccine passports is Jim Crow on steroids.

And by the by I had a good CACKLE yesterday when Biden addressed the nation and summed up the withdrawal as "an extraordinary success" (which)"was all Trump's fault."

Gumboot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:25 am The totally fucked up Texas Republican anti-abortion law came into effect today, making virtually all abortions after 6 weeks of pregnancy illegal. Most women aren't even aware they're pregnant at 6 weeks - over 85% of abortions happen after 6 weeks.

The new law also sets out to financially reward Texans for dobbing in their fellow citizens who "aid and abet" anyone "seeking" an abortion. Apparently, aiding and abetting can include such heinous offences as driving a pregnant woman who's seeking medical advice to a doctor. Orwellian shit.

These are the same Republican state politicians who vehemently oppose mask mandates as govt overreach.

If men could get pregnant, there'd be free-of-charge abortion clinics on every street corner in America.

convoluted wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:38 pm

And by the by I had a good CACKLE yesterday when Biden addressed the nation and summed up the withdrawal as "an extraordinary success" (which)"was all Trump's fault."

convoluted wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:11 am ^^^ That's just Desperate Dan stuff to feed the glib.
In 2014 Obama released the Taliban 5 from Guantanamo Bay, four of whom have taken the top positions in the new Taliban government.Drump released 5,000 Taliban prisoners, one of whom is now their leader..

Trump intended to withdraw all eligible citizens and local helpers first, then take out the military equipment, and lastly withdraw the troops.Drump reduced the military personnel to 2,500, no-one has ever found his plan for evacuating civilians, also, the civilians had been informed for 7 months to get out. Biden the buffoon, tried to do it in the reverse order. And handed 90 billion worth of sophisticated military equipment, the most sophisticated of which will be dismantled and reproduced by the Chinese.Jumped from 84 to 90 now! Wow! Plus, 84 billion was the total cost of the 20 year campaign, it included rent,wages, infrastructure etc. The equipment seen in the hands of the Taliban was seized from the Afghan army not the US..
Those millions Beijing coughed up to Hunter and 'the big guy' were an absolute bargain.Still no evidence like the evidence from the rigged election..

Trump intended to keep Bagram Air Base so that should the Taliban not sit on their hands like good boys then he would obliterate them ... as the petrified Taliban understood only too well that he would.
By abandoning Bagram, Biden removed all reason for the Taliban to behave, and by leaving the Afghan army without any air cover he shattered their morale.Plenty of air cover during the evacuation and drones are still overhead
And, lookee-lookee, seems that China will be installing itself at Bagram ... giving the wink to Joe as they do so, to signal that 'the cheque is in the mail'.

Trump's pull-out date was factored to occur when military activity always grinds down. Biden withdrew in the prime military operative period.Drump wanted full military withdrawal by May..

Biden claimed it was impossible to break Trump's agreement, but Trump himself broke his own agreement just three days after coming to a deal with the Taliban when they tried him out and were given an immediate bloody nose. Thereafter, the Taliban never said boo until he was out of the White House and they were then safe to do whatever they wanted.If you truly believe that they were scared of him, dream on