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In 2014 Obama released the Taliban 5 from Guantanamo Bay, four of whom have taken the top positions in the new Taliban government.Drump released 5,000 Taliban prisoners, one of whom is now their leader.[/quote]
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Drump has already said its rigged!Hal Jordan wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:48 am I see if California Governor Newsom successfully defeats the recall vote, the Trumpist nutter that was put up to the job by the usual horror show has said he may not accept the result.
Welcome to the GOP playbook for the foreseeable future.
I like how Blacks has been capitalised. I bet he's even got some "black friends".Slick wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:33 amNo idea what you are on about with the first bit, think it’s an attempt at sarcasm.convoluted wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:38 pm Just wondering how the Blacks in the US are ever going to be able to do anything ever again.
Presumably you will only get your vaccine passport if you had acceptable ID proof when you were vaccinated, and as we all know it's totally unfair to demand that of Blacks because they are incapable of producing such.
Not to mention that Blacks are by far the racial group most resistant to getting the vaccines.
Vaccine passports is Jim Crow on steroids.
And by the by I had a good CACKLE yesterday when Biden addressed the nation and summed up the withdrawal as "an extraordinary success" (which)"was all Trump's fault."
The second bit is pretty simple to understand, Trump got them into the mess and they did a decent job getting out of it
It's acceptable usage. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insi ... black.htmlUncle fester wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:24 pmI like how Blacks has been capitalised. I bet he's even got some "black friends".Slick wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:33 amNo idea what you are on about with the first bit, think it’s an attempt at sarcasm.convoluted wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:38 pm Just wondering how the Blacks in the US are ever going to be able to do anything ever again.
Presumably you will only get your vaccine passport if you had acceptable ID proof when you were vaccinated, and as we all know it's totally unfair to demand that of Blacks because they are incapable of producing such.
Not to mention that Blacks are by far the racial group most resistant to getting the vaccines.
Vaccine passports is Jim Crow on steroids.
And by the by I had a good CACKLE yesterday when Biden addressed the nation and summed up the withdrawal as "an extraordinary success" (which)"was all Trump's fault."
The second bit is pretty simple to understand, Trump got them into the mess and they did a decent job getting out of it
Trump did even before they counted the votes, along with a good number of other GOP members. The actual worrying part is how many insane/sociopathic secretaries of state we might now get who'll get in in the back of a Trump endorsement, the likes of Raffensperger look to be going the way of the dodo
Yeah, convoluted strikes me as a dedicated NY Times reader.Stannis wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:27 amIt's acceptable usage. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insi ... black.htmlUncle fester wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:24 pmI like how Blacks has been capitalised. I bet he's even got some "black friends".Slick wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:33 am
No idea what you are on about with the first bit, think it’s an attempt at sarcasm.
The second bit is pretty simple to understand, Trump got them into the mess and they did a decent job getting out of it
tc27 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:08 pm US, UK and Aus to announce new defense and intelligence pact shortly.
The most notable aspect will be RAN will be getting US designed submarine hulls running British designed reactors
Just as well it's not France, UK and USIt said the new three-nation security pact would be known as AUKUS
tabascoboy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:23 pmtc27 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:08 pm US, UK and Aus to announce new defense and intelligence pact shortly.
The most notable aspect will be RAN will be getting US designed submarine hulls running British designed reactorsJust as well it's not France, UK and USIt said the new three-nation security pact would be known as AUKUS
Program seemed cursed from the start TBFlaurent wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:36 pm France is going to be pissed off Naval group had a contract with Australia (5 years of development already) to build 12 Subs in Australia.
I think they'll be happy enough. They milked the Ozzies for a load of money, & delivered nothing in return.laurent wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:36 pm France is going to be pissed off Naval group had a contract with Australia (5 years of development already) to build 12 Subs in Australia.
Whether or not Convoluted reads the NYT is completely irrelevant. 'Blacks' is completely valid and appears to be preferred usage.Uncle fester wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:53 pmYeah, convoluted strikes me as a dedicated NY Times reader.Stannis wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:27 amIt's acceptable usage. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insi ... black.htmlUncle fester wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:24 pm
I like how Blacks has been capitalised. I bet he's even got some "black friends".
That is a terribly depressing read.Uncle fester wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:54 pm As good a place as any to post this guardian long read.
What's the betting that these people would be predominantly Trump voters?
Naval group is perfectly capable of delivering (after all they are capable of building nuclear subs) whether the Aussies knew what they wanted is another matter (similarly the tiger helicopter is used successfully in actual conflict yet the aussies could not keep them flying) ...fishfoodie wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:42 pmI think they'll be happy enough. They milked the Ozzies for a load of money, & delivered nothing in return.laurent wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:36 pm France is going to be pissed off Naval group had a contract with Australia (5 years of development already) to build 12 Subs in Australia.
If they want any new contracts, they need to maybe consider the possibility of actually being able to deliver on the promises of their sales people !
Long overdue and whilst you would guess it would give the 'Biden hates Britain' crew pause for thought, it probably won't.tc27 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:08 pm US, UK and Aus to announce new defense and intelligence pact shortly.
The most notable aspect will be RAN will be getting US designed submarine hulls running British designed reactors
laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:39 amNaval group is perfectly capable of delivering (after all they are capable of building nuclear subs) whether the Aussies knew what they wanted is another matter (similarly the tiger helicopter is used successfully in actual conflict yet the aussies could not keep them flying) ...fishfoodie wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:42 pmI think they'll be happy enough. They milked the Ozzies for a load of money, & delivered nothing in return.laurent wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:36 pm France is going to be pissed off Naval group had a contract with Australia (5 years of development already) to build 12 Subs in Australia.
If they want any new contracts, they need to maybe consider the possibility of actually being able to deliver on the promises of their sales people !
Yes the whole 'Britain is isolated and powerless' narrative always was bullshit - yeah we were better of in the EU but its not a zero sum game outside of it.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:43 amLong overdue and whilst you would guess it would give the 'Biden hates Britain' crew pause for thought, it probably won't.tc27 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:08 pm US, UK and Aus to announce new defense and intelligence pact shortly.
The most notable aspect will be RAN will be getting US designed submarine hulls running British designed reactors
Dated reference now but plenty of East Coast politicians would happily and without internal contradiction proudly display pictures of them shaking hands with Gerry Adams and Maggie Thatcher.tc27 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:58 amYes the whole 'Britain is isolated and powerless' narrative always was bullshit - yeah we were better of in the EU but its not a zero sum game outside of it.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:43 amLong overdue and whilst you would guess it would give the 'Biden hates Britain' crew pause for thought, it probably won't.tc27 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:08 pm US, UK and Aus to announce new defense and intelligence pact shortly.
The most notable aspect will be RAN will be getting US designed submarine hulls running British designed reactors
Pandering to the East coast Irish vote is something all US presidents do but never actually translates into a difficulty for the US/UK relationship.
To be honest, whether he does or he doesn't makes only the slightest difference - and even whether he does or he doesn't depends upon the crowd he's playing to at that moment.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:43 amLong overdue and whilst you would guess it would give the 'Biden hates Britain' crew pause for thought, it probably won't.tc27 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:08 pm US, UK and Aus to announce new defense and intelligence pact shortly.
The most notable aspect will be RAN will be getting US designed submarine hulls running British designed reactors
The Yanks have been Very agressive recently (The Swiss Aircraft deal for a completely unsuitable aircraft ...)tc27 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:57 amlaurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:39 amNaval group is perfectly capable of delivering (after all they are capable of building nuclear subs) whether the Aussies knew what they wanted is another matter (similarly the tiger helicopter is used successfully in actual conflict yet the aussies could not keep them flying) ...fishfoodie wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:42 pm
I think they'll be happy enough. They milked the Ozzies for a load of money, & delivered nothing in return.
If they want any new contracts, they need to maybe consider the possibility of actually being able to deliver on the promises of their sales people !
Yeah feel a little for NG here particularly as they were asked to redesign the Barracuda to make it diesel-electric powered and most of it has to be built in Australia. On the other hand competing for defence contracts is absolutely ruthless and the French play the game that way too - sometimes you lose..
Well, the Afghanistan gravy train for the US defence industry seems to be over. They'll be keen to maintain that revenue somehow.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:36 amThe Yanks have been Very agressive recently (The Swiss Aircraft deal for a completely unsuitable aircraft ...)tc27 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:57 amlaurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:39 am
Naval group is perfectly capable of delivering (after all they are capable of building nuclear subs) whether the Aussies knew what they wanted is another matter (similarly the tiger helicopter is used successfully in actual conflict yet the aussies could not keep them flying) ...
Yeah feel a little for NG here particularly as they were asked to redesign the Barracuda to make it diesel-electric powered and most of it has to be built in Australia. On the other hand competing for defence contracts is absolutely ruthless and the French play the game that way too - sometimes you lose..
I see NZ have already said the subs won't be allowed in their waters.laurent wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:36 pm France is going to be pissed off Naval group had a contract with Australia (5 years of development already) to build 12 Subs in Australia.
Nuclear vessels have been banned from NZ waters since 1984.Slick wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:35 amI see NZ have already said the subs won't be allowed in their waters.laurent wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:36 pm France is going to be pissed off Naval group had a contract with Australia (5 years of development already) to build 12 Subs in Australia.
It's going to be a fascinating watch to see how woke a government can go before it dissolves.
Not sure anyone has the high ground here....some of the competitions Rafale has won have being pretty brutal.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:36 amThe Yanks have been Very agressive recently (The Swiss Aircraft deal for a completely unsuitable aircraft ...)tc27 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:57 amlaurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:39 am
Naval group is perfectly capable of delivering (after all they are capable of building nuclear subs) whether the Aussies knew what they wanted is another matter (similarly the tiger helicopter is used successfully in actual conflict yet the aussies could not keep them flying) ...
Yeah feel a little for NG here particularly as they were asked to redesign the Barracuda to make it diesel-electric powered and most of it has to be built in Australia. On the other hand competing for defence contracts is absolutely ruthless and the French play the game that way too - sometimes you lose..
Actually France never offer nuclear subs because of Non Proliferation accord Make that what you will.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:43 pm This whining from the French is pretty unseemly - it's not like they always play above board on defence or anything else and had the positions been reversed we be getting a lot of smug comments about how Brits need to better understand diplomacy, their place in the world etc etc. Suck it up.
I hadn't had cause to think about it before but I thought the NPT applied to weapons, not propulsion.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:43 pmActually France never offer nuclear subs because of Non Proliferation accord Make that what you will.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:43 pm This whining from the French is pretty unseemly - it's not like they always play above board on defence or anything else and had the positions been reversed we be getting a lot of smug comments about how Brits need to better understand diplomacy, their place in the world etc etc. Suck it up.
US and UK are actually Breaking a UN treaty ...
And Fucking up their allies...
These Reactors use HEU, which is controlled by the NPT.GogLais wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:49 pmI hadn't had cause to think about it before but I thought the NPT applied to weapons, not propulsion.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:43 pmActually France never offer nuclear subs because of Non Proliferation accord Make that what you will.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:43 pm This whining from the French is pretty unseemly - it's not like they always play above board on defence or anything else and had the positions been reversed we be getting a lot of smug comments about how Brits need to better understand diplomacy, their place in the world etc etc. Suck it up.
US and UK are actually Breaking a UN treaty ...
And Fucking up their allies...
Except we're not breaking a treaty and we're supporting our ally. France would have done exactly the same as we have done and the same people now crying salt tears would be crowing again at us. The fact that the Orsay is happy to chuck stones around their glasshouse doesn't mean we need to dignify it.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:43 pmActually France never offer nuclear subs because of Non Proliferation accord Make that what you will.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:43 pm This whining from the French is pretty unseemly - it's not like they always play above board on defence or anything else and had the positions been reversed we be getting a lot of smug comments about how Brits need to better understand diplomacy, their place in the world etc etc. Suck it up.
US and UK are actually Breaking a UN treaty ...
And Fucking up their allies...
Best case estimates suggest 15 years until Oz deploys a nuclear submarine, the timescales show exactly why Australia has looked for help.fishfoodie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:17 pmThese Reactors use HEU, which is controlled by the NPT.GogLais wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:49 pmI hadn't had cause to think about it before but I thought the NPT applied to weapons, not propulsion.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:43 pm
Actually France never offer nuclear subs because of Non Proliferation accord Make that what you will.
US and UK are actually Breaking a UN treaty ...
And Fucking up their allies...
It should also be said that it's a little early for the UK & US to be celebrating. They're now in exactly the same position as the French were years ago; after the boys in sales promised the world; the engineers need to work out how to create, more or less from the ground up; a native Ozzie submarine building capacity !
The state of the latest UK Subs shows how hard it is to maintain, & sustain, let alone create such a capacity !!
You are as the US/UK reactor use Enriched Uranium.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:21 pmExcept we're not breaking a treaty and we're supporting our ally. France would have done exactly the same as we have done and the same people now crying salt tears would be crowing again at us. The fact that the Orsay is happy to chuck stones around their glasshouse doesn't mean we need to dignify it.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:43 pmActually France never offer nuclear subs because of Non Proliferation accord Make that what you will.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:43 pm This whining from the French is pretty unseemly - it's not like they always play above board on defence or anything else and had the positions been reversed we be getting a lot of smug comments about how Brits need to better understand diplomacy, their place in the world etc etc. Suck it up.
US and UK are actually Breaking a UN treaty ...
And Fucking up their allies...
They may well do. There's a major proviso that I'm not a diplomat or a lawyer but it's called the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons Treaty and the initial articles refer to nuclear weapons or explosive devices.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:49 pmYou are as the US/UK reactor use Enriched Uranium.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:21 pmExcept we're not breaking a treaty and we're supporting our ally. France would have done exactly the same as we have done and the same people now crying salt tears would be crowing again at us. The fact that the Orsay is happy to chuck stones around their glasshouse doesn't mean we need to dignify it.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:43 pm
Actually France never offer nuclear subs because of Non Proliferation accord Make that what you will.
US and UK are actually Breaking a UN treaty ...
And Fucking up their allies...
Australia approached us. And don't get self-righteous about it, you know damn well France would have done exactly the same and has done much dodgier stuff in the past.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:49 pmYou are as the US/UK reactor use Enriched Uranium.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:21 pmExcept we're not breaking a treaty and we're supporting our ally. France would have done exactly the same as we have done and the same people now crying salt tears would be crowing again at us. The fact that the Orsay is happy to chuck stones around their glasshouse doesn't mean we need to dignify it.laurent wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:43 pm
Actually France never offer nuclear subs because of Non Proliferation accord Make that what you will.
US and UK are actually Breaking a UN treaty ...
And Fucking up their allies...
Both the UK and US government Went behind Naval group and Lockheed Martin to Fuck this contract (5 years in).
Naval group will lose a lot but Lockheed martin stand to lose even more.
Contract was 35 Billion Euros, 8 for Naval Group. Lockheed Martin the remainder