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Unfortunately, a good number of his Big Lie acolytes are in positions where they can refuse to certify any election that doesn't return a goon for the golf trousers soiling narcissist who has never known true love or friendship from anyone in his life.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:23 pm No more sneaky rides for the yanks https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... st-updates

US supreme court next wants to ban same sex marriage and contraception?!

What a bunch of lunatics.

This ruling just makes women less safe, they'll still get abortions but won't be safe now. Very sad.

And those advisors, backers and think tanks are now firmly embedded in the Conservative Party. Don't think it can't happen here.

Fucking US Taliban.

Fucking lying Supreme Court candidates. Non-political institution my arse.

Fucking Senate shitehawks voting for them. You fucking knew what you were doing, Manchin et al.

Fuck America. Can't regulate guns, gives tax dollars for religious schools, can't defend the right to vote, but it can force a woman to have a baby.

The adoration of Wealth over anything else.

Line6 HXFX wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:45 pm The adoration of Wealth over anything else.

Mostly life ...

Such a backward step

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:23 pm No more sneaky rides for the yanks https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... st-updates

Christ!!!
That's awful

Congratulations to the American people for taking back decision making and policy to the people.

The people must decide, not a bunch of politicians, lobbyists and corporations with vested interests .

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:55 pm
The people must decide, not a bunch of politicians, lobbyists and corporations with vested interests .

The people don't decide, its a lobbying based system where the people with the deepest pockets wield the political power.

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:55 pm Congratulations to the American people for taking back decision making and policy to the people.

The people must decide, not a bunch of politicians, lobbyists and corporations with vested interests .

You're such a ridiculous right wing parody.

The latest polling show that 13% of the American people believe abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

Anyone who says that is the "American people taking back decision making and policy" needs to go back to some elementary arithmetic lessons.

I must admit it does seem daft to me that you would allow this issue to be determined by the judiciary rather than legislating it into law.

So the individual State rights are null and void, because Federal politicians wish it so ?

Then the whole USA Constitution is not worth thee paper it was written on...

Hugo wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:29 pm

I must admit it does seem daft to me that you would allow this issue to be determined by the judiciary rather than legislating it into law.

Indeed. I know there are all sorts of complex legal issues and human tragedies involved but the principle that abortion rights should be decided by legislators seems reasonable to me.

sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:14 pm

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:55 pm Congratulations to the American people for taking back decision making and policy to the people.

The people must decide, not a bunch of politicians, lobbyists and corporations with vested interests .

You're such a ridiculous right wing parody.

Temper, temper .. Other people should be allowed to have an opinion, you know

GogLais wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:46 pm

Hugo wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:29 pm

I must admit it does seem daft to me that you would allow this issue to be determined by the judiciary rather than legislating it into law.

If t

Indeed. I know there are all sorts of complex legal issues and human tragedies involved but the principle that abortion rights should be decided by legislators seems reasonable to me.

States should have the right to decide. They have legislators, let them do their jobs

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:49 pm

GogLais wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:46 pm

Hugo wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:29 pm

I must admit it does seem daft to me that you would allow this issue to be determined by the judiciary rather than legislating it into law.

If t

Indeed. I know there are all sorts of complex legal issues and human tragedies involved but the principle that abortion rights should be decided by legislators seems reasonable to me.

States should have the right to decide. They have legislators, let them do their jobs

Bet you're okay with the supreme court striking down NY gun laws though?

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:00 pm

Bet you're okay with the supreme court striking down NY gun laws though?

The goal is the smallest of government and the absolute freedom of the individual.

Unless your are a woman, of course.

Women aren't worthy of the same rights.

Women have a higher degree of participation In USA politics than men. Should think they can make their votes count. .

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:24 pm Women have a higher degree of participation In USA politics than men. Should think they can make their votes count. .

Aye, this is the women's doing right enough, ffs.


This is misogyny writ at its largest.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm McConnell was right about this. Elections have consequences

They do indeed, I've just read a tweet that stated that three of the judges on the Supreme Court were appointed by the President that tried to overthrow the government. A fourth is married to a woman who actively planned the overthrow.

Jebus what an utterly regressive reactionary shit hole America is

Tichtheid wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:55 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm McConnell was right about this. Elections have consequences

They do indeed, I've just read a tweet that stated that three of the judges on the Supreme Court were appointed by the President that tried to overthrow the government. A fourth is married to a woman who actively planned the overthrow.

And now that same court returns the right to determine legislature to . ..the State legislatures, that answers to the People.



Usurping powers should be mandatory, written into the constitutions, not left to the rabble.
Shocking, eh ?

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:36 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:55 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm McConnell was right about this. Elections have consequences

They do indeed, I've just read a tweet that stated that three of the judges on the Supreme Court were appointed by the President that tried to overthrow the government. A fourth is married to a woman who actively planned the overthrow.

And now that same court returns the right to determine legislature to . ..the State legislatures, that answers to the People.



Usurping powers should be mandatory, written into the constitutions, not left to the rabble.
Shocking, eh ?

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word, "usurp"

Alito spells it out clearly

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:49 pm Alito spells it out clearly

what does usurp mean?

Usurp

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:00 pm Usurp

Just as I thought, you don't know.

It means to take a position of power illegally, usually by force.

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:36 pm
Usurping powers should be mandatory, written into the constitutions, not left to the rabble.

You can't write into law the illegal overthrowing of the legislators who uphold the law.

That makes as much sense as your other posts.

C69 wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 pm Jebus what an utterly regressive reactionary shit hole America is

Yep, it's just so fucked up. Sadly predictable, given how much influence fundy religion has in a supposedly secular society.

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:24 pm Women have a higher degree of participation In USA politics than men. Should think they can make their votes count. .

But the ones on the Choice side have to fight against these...

Gumboot wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:32 pm

C69 wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 pm Jebus what an utterly regressive reactionary shit hole America is

Yep, it's just so fucked up. Sadly predictable, given how much influence fundy religion has in a supposedly secular society.

The statement these cave-dwelling, at least in their attitudes, came out with stated that there is nothing in the constitution that supported abortion.

There is nothing in the Bible that mentions it either, but that doesn't stop these knuckle-draggers.

Niegs wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:35 pm

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:24 pm Women have a higher degree of participation In USA politics than men. Should think they can make their votes count. .

But the ones on the Choice side have to fight against these...

The first one can be refuted by the fact that babies born in the US are abandoned to the survival of the richest.

The second one can be refuted by the numbers of women who die after back street abortions.



I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

Have the operation reversed when the boy is in a position emotionally and financially to be part of bringing up a family.
That would solve almost all need for abortion.

If men could get pregnant, there'd be a govt-funded abortion clinic on every street corner in America.

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

notfatcat wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

Ah, well, you're a bit behind

It took a whole 45 minutes but Clarence Thomas filed a concurring opinion to Dobbs, calling for the court to overturn the right to contraception, oh and same-sex marriage and privacy in the bedroom too.

These people are trying to get the state to mandate what you are allowed to do in your own bedroom, and don't come back with doing drugs or violence, I'm talking about the prospect of consensual sex between adults being illegal soon.

No one thought Roe v Wade would be overturned, it's only a matter of time for the Fundamentalists , they are winning right now.

As for contraception being available (so far) there are still stocks of Plan B on Amazon, I wonder how long the state will take to make it illegal for that company to sell this?

notfatcat wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

I wanted to answer this again on a separate issue.

What about rape?

notfatcat wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

Not sure exercising self control and using contraception would be high on the list of a rapist's priorities, though.

Edit: Tichtheild beat me to it.

Tichtheid wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:36 pm

notfatcat wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

I wanted to answer this again on a separate issue.

What about rape?

It's worth debating but why pick such an extreme example?

notfatcat wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:42 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:36 pm

notfatcat wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

I wanted to answer this again on a separate issue.

What about rape?

It's worth debating but why pick such an extreme example?

Because it's the bleeding obvious example where the perpetrator is probably not looking at ovulation cycles or looking at the moon.

Should abortion be available for rape cases?

Gumboot wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:41 pm

notfatcat wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

Not sure exercising self control and using contraception would be high on the list of a rapist's priorities, though.

Edit: Tichtheild beat me to it.

Would you support banning abortion other than in rape/incest cases?