NPR

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:00 pm

Bet you're okay with the supreme court striking down NY gun laws though?

The goal is the smallest of government and the absolute freedom of the individual.

Unless your are a woman, of course.

Women aren't worthy of the same rights.

Women have a higher degree of participation In USA politics than men. Should think they can make their votes count. .

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:24 pm Women have a higher degree of participation In USA politics than men. Should think they can make their votes count. .

Aye, this is the women's doing right enough, ffs.


This is misogyny writ at its largest.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm McConnell was right about this. Elections have consequences

They do indeed, I've just read a tweet that stated that three of the judges on the Supreme Court were appointed by the President that tried to overthrow the government. A fourth is married to a woman who actively planned the overthrow.

Jebus what an utterly regressive reactionary shit hole America is

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:55 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm McConnell was right about this. Elections have consequences

They do indeed, I've just read a tweet that stated that three of the judges on the Supreme Court were appointed by the President that tried to overthrow the government. A fourth is married to a woman who actively planned the overthrow.

And now that same court returns the right to determine legislature to . ..the State legislatures, that answers to the People.



Usurping powers should be mandatory, written into the constitutions, not left to the rabble.
Shocking, eh ?

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:36 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:55 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm McConnell was right about this. Elections have consequences

They do indeed, I've just read a tweet that stated that three of the judges on the Supreme Court were appointed by the President that tried to overthrow the government. A fourth is married to a woman who actively planned the overthrow.

And now that same court returns the right to determine legislature to . ..the State legislatures, that answers to the People.



Usurping powers should be mandatory, written into the constitutions, not left to the rabble.
Shocking, eh ?

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word, "usurp"

Alito spells it out clearly

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:49 pm Alito spells it out clearly

what does usurp mean?

Usurp

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:00 pm Usurp

Just as I thought, you don't know.

It means to take a position of power illegally, usually by force.

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:36 pm
Usurping powers should be mandatory, written into the constitutions, not left to the rabble.

You can't write into law the illegal overthrowing of the legislators who uphold the law.

That makes as much sense as your other posts.

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 pm Jebus what an utterly regressive reactionary shit hole America is

Yep, it's just so fucked up. Sadly predictable, given how much influence fundy religion has in a supposedly secular society.

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:24 pm Women have a higher degree of participation In USA politics than men. Should think they can make their votes count. .

But the ones on the Choice side have to fight against these...

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:32 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 pm Jebus what an utterly regressive reactionary shit hole America is

Yep, it's just so fucked up. Sadly predictable, given how much influence fundy religion has in a supposedly secular society.

The statement these cave-dwelling, at least in their attitudes, came out with stated that there is nothing in the constitution that supported abortion.

There is nothing in the Bible that mentions it either, but that doesn't stop these knuckle-draggers.

Niegs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:35 pm

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:24 pm Women have a higher degree of participation In USA politics than men. Should think they can make their votes count. .

But the ones on the Choice side have to fight against these...

The first one can be refuted by the fact that babies born in the US are abandoned to the survival of the richest.

The second one can be refuted by the numbers of women who die after back street abortions.



I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

Have the operation reversed when the boy is in a position emotionally and financially to be part of bringing up a family.
That would solve almost all need for abortion.

If men could get pregnant, there'd be a govt-funded abortion clinic on every street corner in America.

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

Ah, well, you're a bit behind

It took a whole 45 minutes but Clarence Thomas filed a concurring opinion to Dobbs, calling for the court to overturn the right to contraception, oh and same-sex marriage and privacy in the bedroom too.

These people are trying to get the state to mandate what you are allowed to do in your own bedroom, and don't come back with doing drugs or violence, I'm talking about the prospect of consensual sex between adults being illegal soon.

No one thought Roe v Wade would be overturned, it's only a matter of time for the Fundamentalists , they are winning right now.

As for contraception being available (so far) there are still stocks of Plan B on Amazon, I wonder how long the state will take to make it illegal for that company to sell this?

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

I wanted to answer this again on a separate issue.

What about rape?

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

Not sure exercising self control and using contraception would be high on the list of a rapist's priorities, though.

Edit: Tichtheild beat me to it.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:36 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

I wanted to answer this again on a separate issue.

What about rape?

It's worth debating but why pick such an extreme example?

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:42 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:36 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

I wanted to answer this again on a separate issue.

What about rape?

It's worth debating but why pick such an extreme example?

Because it's the bleeding obvious example where the perpetrator is probably not looking at ovulation cycles or looking at the moon.

Should abortion be available for rape cases?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:41 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

I've said this before, and it's not my idea, but to anyone who is in favour of what has just happened, why not just have universal vasectomies of all eleven year old boys?

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

Not sure exercising self control and using contraception would be high on the list of a rapist's priorities, though.

Edit: Tichtheild beat me to it.

Would you support banning abortion other than in rape/incest cases?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:45 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:42 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:36 pm


I wanted to answer this again on a separate issue.

What about rape?

It's worth debating but why pick such an extreme example?

Because it's the bleeding obvious example where the perpetrator is probably not looking at ovulation cycles or looking at the moon.

Should abortion be available for rape cases?

I don't know. I watched a talk by a young woman who was the result of her mother being raped. I think she was grateful to be alive.

Are you saying that because there are cases of pregnancy through rape that any woman should be able to have an abortion whenever she wants to?

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:45 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:41 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 pm

It's probably a better last resort than killing unborn babies. Better still, how about people learn about ovulation/menstrual cycles and exercise some self control and responsibility. Contraception is available for those unwilling or unable to do so.

Not sure exercising self control and using contraception would be high on the list of a rapist's priorities, though.

Edit: Tichtheild beat me to it.

Would you support banning abortion other than in rape/incest cases?

No. But I'm not a woman so it's not my call to make. And I'm not religious so don't have to deal with all that baggage, either.

Do you believe in a woman's right to decide what to do with her own body?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:49 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:45 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:41 pm

Not sure exercising self control and using contraception would be high on the list of a rapist's priorities, though.

Edit: Tichtheild beat me to it.

Would you support banning abortion other than in rape/incest cases?

No. But I'm not a woman so it's not my call to make. And I'm not religious so don't have to deal with all that baggage, either.

Do you believe in a woman's right to decide what to do with her own body?

Yes, but not an unborn child's body. That has nothing to do with religion, just basic morality.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:49 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:45 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:41 pm

Not sure exercising self control and using contraception would be high on the list of a rapist's priorities, though.

Edit: Tichtheild beat me to it.

Would you support banning abortion other than in rape/incest cases?

No. But I'm not a woman so it's not my call to make. And I'm not religious so don't have to deal with all that baggage, either.

Do you believe in a woman's right to decide what to do with her own body?

Also, just to say - so rape is irrelevant to your own beliefs about abortion. Correct?

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:47 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:45 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:42 pm

It's worth debating but why pick such an extreme example?

Because it's the bleeding obvious example where the perpetrator is probably not looking at ovulation cycles or looking at the moon.

Should abortion be available for rape cases?

I don't know. I watched a talk by a young woman who was the result of her mother being raped. I think she was grateful to be alive.

Are you saying that because there are cases of pregnancy through rape that any woman should be able to have an abortion whenever she wants to?

For me, I support the woman's absolute right to chose to terminate any pregnancy at any point, it is her body, her choice, I support the right of the individual in this.

The people who do not support the rights of the individual in this are almost always in a Venn diagram circle with those who shout loudest about individual freedoms and gun ownership

@notfatcat

*yawn* I'd forgotten just how tedious your PR-level trolling was. Bye.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:59 pm @notfatcat

*yawn* I'd forgotten just how tedious your PR-level trolling was. Bye.

Oh boo hoo. Someone disagrees with you and you act like a big fanny.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:59 pm @notfatcat

*yawn* I'd forgotten just how tedious your PR-level trolling was. Bye.

I think that if you play these people with a straight bat they always wind up kneeing themselves in the face, because their logic is so flawed it doesn't stand up to just a simple series of questions for which there are factual answers, as opposed to warped opinions.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:58 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:47 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:45 pm


Because it's the bleeding obvious example where the perpetrator is probably not looking at ovulation cycles or looking at the moon.

Should abortion be available for rape cases?

I don't know. I watched a talk by a young woman who was the result of her mother being raped. I think she was grateful to be alive.

Are you saying that because there are cases of pregnancy through rape that any woman should be able to have an abortion whenever she wants to?

For me, I support the woman's absolute right to chose to terminate any pregnancy at any point, it is her body, her choice, I support the right of the individual in this.

The people who do not support the rights of the individual in this are almost always in a Venn diagram circle with those who shout loudest about individual freedoms and gun ownership

It's not just her body though is it, it's the unborn child's and only one of them is being intentionally killed. Plus it seems like you partly justify your position on abortion by your contempt for other irrelevant issues.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:07 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:59 pm @notfatcat

*yawn* I'd forgotten just how tedious your PR-level trolling was. Bye.

I think that if you play these people with a straight bat they always wind up kneeing themselves in the face, because their logic is so flawed it doesn't stand up to just a simple series of questions for which there are factual answers, as opposed to warped opinions.

Have you pointed out any flaws in my logic?

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:08 pm

It's not just her body though is it, it's the unborn child's and only one of them is being intentionally killed. Plus it seems like you partly justify your position on abortion by your contempt for other irrelevant issues.

It is her body.

The mass of genes she carries isn't a viable human until around 24 weeks

That is six months.

However, it does beg the question(s),

Why do you demand control over a woman?

Why do you presume that what she does is up to you?

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:09 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:07 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:59 pm @notfatcat

*yawn* I'd forgotten just how tedious your PR-level trolling was. Bye.

I think that if you play these people with a straight bat they always wind up kneeing themselves in the face, because their logic is so flawed it doesn't stand up to just a simple series of questions for which there are factual answers, as opposed to warped opinions.

Have you pointed out any flaws in my logic?

Well, yes, obviously,

We are talking about women and you are not one

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:07 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:59 pm @notfatcat

*yawn* I'd forgotten just how tedious your PR-level trolling was. Bye.

I think that if you play these people with a straight bat they always wind up kneeing themselves in the face, because their logic is so flawed it doesn't stand up to just a simple series of questions for which there are factual answers, as opposed to warped opinions.

Pointless engaging with them at all, imho. It's just another pathetic Bimbo-lite level wind-up for his own amusement.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:22 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:07 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:59 pm @notfatcat

*yawn* I'd forgotten just how tedious your PR-level trolling was. Bye.

I think that if you play these people with a straight bat they always wind up kneeing themselves in the face, because their logic is so flawed it doesn't stand up to just a simple series of questions for which there are factual answers, as opposed to warped opinions.

Pointless engaging with them at all, imho. It's just another pathetic Bimbo-lite level wind-up for his own amusement.

Yeah, I get that, but every time I see people punching down it makes me want to punch back.

They are what is wrong with everything, and I do mean everything.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:18 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:08 pm

It's not just her body though is it, it's the unborn child's and only one of them is being intentionally killed. Plus it seems like you partly justify your position on abortion by your contempt for other irrelevant issues.

It is her body.

The mass of genes she carries isn't a viable human until around 24 weeks

That is six months.

However, it does beg the question(s),

Why do you demand control over a woman?

Why do you presume that what she does is up to you?

No, it's the unborn child's body. Your last two questions are just silly.

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:45 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:18 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:08 pm

It's not just her body though is it, it's the unborn child's and only one of them is being intentionally killed. Plus it seems like you partly justify your position on abortion by your contempt for other irrelevant issues.

It is her body.

The mass of genes she carries isn't a viable human until around 24 weeks

That is six months.

However, it does beg the question(s),

Why do you demand control over a woman?

Why do you presume that what she does is up to you?

No, it's the unborn child's body. Your last two questions are just silly.

They are only silly if you think the woman's worth is less than yours

The thing is there is no equivalent, bar mandatory sterilisation or similar, for men. Perhaps that is why men can't see this, but it does make you look stupid, trying to tell women what they can and can't do.

You pretend it's about the unborn child, but it's not an unborn child until at least six months, you ignore the science

It's all about misogynistic control.