NPR

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:25 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:17 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:32 pm

It's not about the EU, "imposing", WTO terms; the EU is under no obligation to give the UK a FTA. WTO terms are the inevitable outcome for the UK, if there is no FTA agreement between the UK & the EU.

But I was specifically talking about the mythical, "side deals".

If there are to be any side deals, they are also in the gift of the EU, & as such the EU is perfectly entitled to withdraw those deals, if they feel they UK isn't acting in good faith.

If I give a tenner to a homeless person; they aren't entitled to sue me for not giving them more. It's a gift !

I never mentioned tariffs or anything else, because they are spelt out by the WTO. The side deals cover stuff like recognition of professional qualifications, & the air space, the ability of HGV drivers to drive in the EU, etc, etc, etc

Side deals - in fact, any deals, are not a gift from the EU - that's just absurd and nonsensical. Any deal the EU do with the UK will involve some working concessions from both sides - such as both recognising HGV licences.

The EU isn't looking for any side deals; the UK is, ergo, any side deals are in the EUs gift. There is no obligation on the EU to give the UK anything other that that required by International law.

You've no idea whether the EU will want some individual agreements on certain issues - so I'll call bollox on that. However, even if they didn't 'need' them, but decided to agree to them (which they wouldn't), it wouldn't be a gift - it would be a two way agreement - to think otherwise is really bizarre.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:01 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:56 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:25 pm


Unfortunately I’ve no irrational hatred of Saracens and think that the current scrum situation is fine.

I could pretend if you like, the team I like least is probably Sale due to its leadership.

Wait, you like the feed into the scrum by the 9 and all the resets?

Explains a lot.

Rugby is a game for all sorts, but that is indeed weird.

Hang sang iges 2 b sure

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:38 pm

But I also agree with Sir Ivan Rogers, that if the UK acts in bad faith at any stage, e.g. invoking anything in the Internal markets bill; the EU will withdraw any side deals unilaterally, & the UK will end up with a North Korea deal, not an Australian deal !

They cannot do that by any legal measure. Unless you’re saying that the EU will enter a war like status.


Wishful thinking maybe .

Well if it is called "EU Internal Market Bill" that makes it cushty.

Factbox: Industry reaction to UK PM Johnson's Brexit statement

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... k9LNSIKphs

The Prime Minister’s statement signals that we are heading into very dangerous territory.

“In the event of a no-deal Brexit, shoppers will - literally - pay a heavy price. Imported food and drink from the EU will face eye-watering tariffs, averaging 18%, and kick-starting price rises.

“At the same time, border delays and disruption will bring further costs which will not be subsumed by industry. A no-deal outcome is bad for food and drink businesses, bad for food security, and bad for every household in Great Britain.”

Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

I guess that the annual fortnight's near complete shutdown for the festivities won't make much difference in the circumstances, but all we need is severely disruptive weather in January ( 1/4 inch of snow should do it) and things could get "interesting". I have a spare room, time to start filling it floor to ceiling with Pot Noodles methinks.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:06 pm I guess that the annual fortnight's near complete shutdown for the festivities won't make much difference in the circumstances, but all we need is severely disruptive weather in January ( 1/4 inch of snow should do it) and things could get "interesting". I have a spare room, time to start filling it floor to ceiling with Pot Noodles methinks.

Buy British, mmmmm.....rhubarb.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:33 pm

The Prime Minister’s statement signals that we are heading into very dangerous territory.

“In the event of a no-deal Brexit, shoppers will - literally - pay a heavy price. Imported food and drink from the EU will face eye-watering tariffs, averaging 18%, and kick-starting price rises.

“At the same time, border delays and disruption will bring further costs which will not be subsumed by industry. A no-deal outcome is bad for food and drink businesses, bad for food security, and bad for every household in Great Britain.”

Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

Now, now, Brexit was all about prosperity and taking back control. Just not your prosperity and certainly not you having any control.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:33 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:33 pm

The Prime Minister’s statement signals that we are heading into very dangerous territory.

“In the event of a no-deal Brexit, shoppers will - literally - pay a heavy price. Imported food and drink from the EU will face eye-watering tariffs, averaging 18%, and kick-starting price rises.

“At the same time, border delays and disruption will bring further costs which will not be subsumed by industry. A no-deal outcome is bad for food and drink businesses, bad for food security, and bad for every household in Great Britain.”

Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

Now, now, Brexit was all about prosperity and taking back control. Just not your prosperity and certainly not you having any control.

Price of Kronenbourg and Becks goes up 18%. Well I ain't gonna drink some pissy English lager!

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:38 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:33 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:33 pm

Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

Now, now, Brexit was all about prosperity and taking back control. Just not your prosperity and certainly not you having any control.

Price of Kronenbourg and Becks goes up 18%. Well I ain't gonna drink some pissy English lager!

Don't forget Guinness !

Since they closed the London brewery, the UK Guinness comes from Dublin.

I see the C of E bigwigs have joined John Sentamu in ensuring their non-entry into the House of Lords by writing a letter lacking unquestioning praise for our loveable, funny posh bloke, blonde mopped wiff waff spaffer in chief.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:38 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:33 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:33 pm

Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

Now, now, Brexit was all about prosperity and taking back control. Just not your prosperity and certainly not you having any control.

Price of Kronenbourg and Becks goes up 18%. Well I ain't gonna drink some pissy English lager!

Just pick another ladies drink instead - Campari??

in what way will Brexit improve our lives?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:33 pm

The Prime Minister’s statement signals that we are heading into very dangerous territory.

“In the event of a no-deal Brexit, shoppers will - literally - pay a heavy price. Imported food and drink from the EU will face eye-watering tariffs, averaging 18%, and kick-starting price rises.

“At the same time, border delays and disruption will bring further costs which will not be subsumed by industry. A no-deal outcome is bad for food and drink businesses, bad for food security, and bad for every household in Great Britain.”

Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

The latest published tariff schedule says they won’t impose on most food and drink imports.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:33 pm

The Prime Minister’s statement signals that we are heading into very dangerous territory.

“In the event of a no-deal Brexit, shoppers will - literally - pay a heavy price. Imported food and drink from the EU will face eye-watering tariffs, averaging 18%, and kick-starting price rises.

“At the same time, border delays and disruption will bring further costs which will not be subsumed by industry. A no-deal outcome is bad for food and drink businesses, bad for food security, and bad for every household in Great Britain.”

Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

The latest published tariff schedule says they won’t impose on most food and drink imports.

And we have every reason to trust them.

Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:58 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:33 pm

Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

The latest published tariff schedule says they won’t impose on most food and drink imports.

And we have every reason to trust them.

It's exactly the kind of brilliant bargaining tactic we have come to expect from the Brexshitters.

No Tariffs means the complete destruction of agrifoods sector; & no tariffs means the complete removal of a major piece of leverage in an FTA negotiation. Brilliant !!

I look forward to the slimeball Gove explaining the logic to the Farmers.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:31 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:58 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 am

The latest published tariff schedule says they won’t impose on most food and drink imports.

And we have every reason to trust them.

It's exactly the kind of brilliant bargaining tactic we have come to expect from the Brexshitters.

No Tariffs means the complete destruction of agrifoods sector; & no tariffs means the complete removal of a major piece of leverage in an FTA negotiation. Brilliant !!

I look forward to the slimeball Gove explaining the logic to the Farmers.

There’s no FTA being agreed.

We will not impose tariff on things we don’t produce.

We will on some items.

We will be able to set these to suit the UK and not France.

It’ll be fine.

Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:58 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:33 pm

Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

The latest published tariff schedule says they won’t impose on most food and drink imports.

And we have every reason to trust them.

You think government policy will be to have food shortages ?

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:35 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:58 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 am

The latest published tariff schedule says they won’t impose on most food and drink imports.

And we have every reason to trust them.

You think government policy will be to have food shortages ?

You mean a government under whom the use of food banks has increased by over 1000%? let me think about that...

ASMO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:39 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:35 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:58 am

And we have every reason to trust them.

You think government policy will be to have food shortages ?

You mean a government under whom the use of food banks has increased by over 1000%? let me think about that...

And as we head into winter and potential further Covid lockdowns a government that knows that food banks rather than being stocked and ready to meet what's surely going to be a much increased need are pretty much empty as things stand. But don't worry 'cause in a few weeks in some instances you'll be able to get 60% of minimum wage for some duration

ASMO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:39 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:35 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:58 am

And we have every reason to trust them.

You think government policy will be to have food shortages ?

You mean a government under whom the use of food banks has increased by over 1000%? let me think about that...

Well quite.

Bimbo, at times I am sympathetic to your 'It won't be THAT bad, we should try and make the most of things, complaining isn't going to get us anywhere' attitude - and apologies if I have completely mis-read that - but, honestly, this government just make me angry.

Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:33 pm Bimbo, at times I am sympathetic to your 'It won't be THAT bad, we should try and make the most of things, complaining isn't going to get us anywhere' attitude - and apologies if I have completely mis-read that - but, honestly, this government just make me angry.

It is not that complaining won’t get you anywhere more once the vote was in Brexit HAD to happen and far more was at risk if it was reversed.

It also isn’t actually ganna be that bad. There’s also the chance that the EU can move forward to a successful further union without the UK handbrake.

This government is a poor collection of individuals for the pandemic (as demonstrated) but the handling of Brexit has been good.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:49 pm

This government is a poor collection of individuals for the pandemic (as demonstrated) but the handling of Brexit has been good.

John Redwood saying we wanted a Canada style deal that protected our fishing industry overlooking Canada doesn't have a fishing deal with the EU, is that the sort of basic failing in competency that makes you think the handling has been good?

Or when you say it's been good is it more we're the UK led by a Tory party thus it's good whatever it is when put up against the EU? And it simply doesn't matter that the Brexiters keep missing deadlines, keep being wrong, keep lying.... Even Theresa May has described some of their recent utterances as 'utter rubbish'

John Redwood saying we wanted a Canada style deal that protected our fishing industry overlooking Canada doesn't have a fishing deal with the EU, is that the sort of basic failing in competency that makes you think the handling has been good?

Not quite as stunning as you basic failing in understanding the Canada deal, and fishing.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:15 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:49 pm

This government is a poor collection of individuals for the pandemic (as demonstrated) but the handling of Brexit has been good.

John Redwood saying we wanted a Canada style deal that protected our fishing industry overlooking Canada doesn't have a fishing deal with the EU, is that the sort of basic failing in competency that makes you think the handling has been good?

Or when you say it's been good is it more we're the UK led by a Tory party thus it's good whatever it is when put up against the EU? And it simply doesn't matter that the Brexiters keep missing deadlines, keep being wrong, keep lying.... Even Theresa May has described some of their recent utterances as 'utter rubbish'

All they had to do was deliver 'the easiest deal in human history', one that was 'oven ready' - and they've failed.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:31 pm

John Redwood saying we wanted a Canada style deal that protected our fishing industry overlooking Canada doesn't have a fishing deal with the EU, is that the sort of basic failing in competency that makes you think the handling has been good?

Not quite as stunning as you basic failing in understanding the Canada deal, and fishing.

If you're going to lecture it's your not you

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:39 pm

All they had to do was deliver 'the easiest deal in human history', one that was 'oven ready' - and they've failed.

The overall performance has all been a little Milli Vanilli, and yet they still expect not only not criticism but praise for their adorning themselves in the emperor's clothes

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:06 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:39 pm

All they had to do was deliver 'the easiest deal in human history', one that was 'oven ready' - and they've failed.

The overall performance has all been a little Milli Vanilli, and yet they still expect not only not criticism but praise for their adorning themselves in the emperor's clothes

They're more like the tailors grabbing whopping big bags of gold off the Emperor and working empty looms. And just like the tailors they'll fuck off with all the money when we've got our "finery", too.

All this 'we want Canada deal' is just a pile of shit and a screen for the Gov to hide behind. This is pretty simple really - we decided to leave the EU club and stop paying our dues but want to retain some of the benefits but without wanting to pay anything for them. The EU will ultimately decide what we can get but will also decide the price we must pay to retain that benefit be it money, reciprocal arrangements, access to fishing rights, etc. Each deal the EU strike is different to reflect amongst other things geographical location of the third party, the context within which the deal is struck and the price the EU wish to charge for access to their market. For the UK to even suggest we should get the same deal as another country, which by the way is 1,000s of miles away from the EU and poses different trade issues, is just like a kid stamping their feet in the playground wanting to be picked in Johnny's team but isn't picked for any team. We knew from the very beginning that the EU would demand a price for access to their markets and the various organisations etc we want to remain in but the Blonde Bumblecunt and the Brexit Ultras avoided the whole issue and lied to the populace about it. The GFA was well known to be a major stumbling block to not just Brexit but to a US trade deal. We are now in the end game and the Blonde Bumblecunt is now having to face up to the reality of striking a balance between leading the country into a hugely significant Brexit downturn and disruption on top of covid19 or to strike a deal the EU are demanding and face the wrath of the ERG and the Brexit Ultras they have courted for years and who voted them into power. There is no best option for them, it is which is the biggest pile of shit they have to consume. All this shit going on re negotiations from Blonde Bumblecunt, Groveller and Frost is all about window dressing for the shitshow that is coming their way and an attempt to point the finger at the EU and cry 'it woz them that done it'. This time round it won't fool many and they will have to own the consequences or else do a Cameron and walk away. I suspect the Blonde Bumblecunt will walk away sometime around summer next year recess, the excuses are already being mooted about lack of cash, and end up in rehab to dry out.

All this 'we want Canada deal' is just a pile of shit and a screen for the Gov to hide behind. This is pretty simple really - we decided to leave the EU club and stop paying our dues but want to retain some of the benefits but without wanting to pay anything for them.

Aren’t you a fan of a Scottish independence....

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:35 am . I suspect the Blonde Bumblecunt will walk away sometime around summer next year recess, the excuses are already being mooted about lack of cash, and end up in rehab to dry out.

I read somewhere in the last few days that Johnson will walk away in the Spring, the article said he feels he isn’t making enough money as PM.

“Rehab”


Nasty party as usual.

I thought his alcohol issue was well known? Didn't he himself claim to be like his hero Churchill and consume large amounts of alcohol at lunchtime and still be able to function?

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:34 pm I thought his alcohol issue was well known? Didn't he himself claim to be like his hero Churchill and consume large amounts of alcohol at lunchtime and still be able to function?

Bimbo?

I suspect that, while Barnier may be fair game for being ridiculed as an unbalanced alcoholic on a whiskey binge, casting aspersions on Boris Johnson's own drinking habits risks upsetting delicate sensibilities.

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:34 pm I thought his alcohol issue was well known? Didn't he himself claim to be like his hero Churchill and consume large amounts of alcohol at lunchtime and still be able to function?

Literally the first time I’ve ever see it alluded to. You’re making it up, or just assume all political leaders are drunk ...,


Nasty lies sadly.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:22 pm I suspect that, while Barnier may be fair game for being ridiculed as an unbalanced alcoholic on a whiskey binge, casting aspersions on Boris Johnson's own drinking habits risks upsetting delicate sensibilities.

I’ve also never seen any comments alluding to Barnier being a drunk ever .


Are you sure you mean Barnier ?