boere wors wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:07 am
Maybe it is just my impression, but somehow whenever the boks score a try on the counter attack the match officials find a way to overrule the on-field decisions these past month. Weren't there 3 such instances against the Lions alone, now another one yesterday, probably more during the RC?!
“Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you”
But honestly, the Boks play a game that is dependent on chaos disrupting the opposition defense…be it a box kick or a midfield bomb.
When there is that much chaos, referees also get flustered and want to make sure, so they refer to the TMO. In any given moment on a rugby pitch, if you look really hard, you can probably find 2-3 offenses. So the more referrals, the more disallowed tries are likely.
When we do (rarely) score tries from conventional turnovers or ruck play, they are typically not referred and they stand.
The key really has become to avoid referrals to the TMO because once it goes upstairs it’s a 50/50.
ok good, it is not just me...
No, there seems to be quite a lot of you
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:53 am
by Lobby
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:30 am
For what it's worth that video clearly shows Marx advancing towards the ball from an offside position. Penalty offence.
Slightly pedantic, yes and he then retreats. But they are making a call for a try.
He does advance until he is pulled back. However, as far as I can see none of the offside players were involved in the following actions that led to the try. I think it was a very harsh decision.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:56 am
by Kawazaki
Famous old springboks
Irascible Erasmus
Moan Du Plessis
Nag Botha
Jean de Whiners
Bryan Handbagger
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:30 am
For what it's worth that video clearly shows Marx advancing towards the ball from an offside position. Penalty offence.
Slightly pedantic, yes and he then retreats. But they are making a call for a try.
He does advance until he is pulled back. However, as far as I can see none of the offside players were involved in the following actions that led to the try. I think it was a very harsh decision.
Moving forward is the penalty offence though. He doesn't need the interfere with play. Yes, it's harsh, but it's not incorrect.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:01 pm
by Calculon
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:30 am
For what it's worth that video clearly shows Marx advancing towards the ball from an offside position. Penalty offence.
Slightly pedantic, yes and he then retreats. But they are making a call for a try.
as he is getting up he steps over a player and is pulled back even in the act of stepping over said player. If that is the standard for disallowing tries, TMO's can disallow pretty much any try if there's a previous ruck or tackle situation
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:18 pm
by Blake
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:56 am
Famous old springboks
Irascible Erasmus
Moan Du Plessis
Nag Botha
Jean de Whiners
Bryan Handbagger
I can’t believe you missed the most obvious one of all for your weaksauce joke; Moaner van Heerden
assfly wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:40 am
So what the fudge is actually happening with Rassie? Weren't we supposed to know last week?
A guilty verdict is normally handed down swiftly.
They’ll do it just before the England game, trying to create maximum disruption
Played 43
SA 26
Eng 15
Drawn 2
Not bad for a 3rd world country...
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:43 am
by FalseBayFC
The Waterboys
"I pictured a rainbow
You held it in your hands
I had flashes
But you saw the plan"
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Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:55 am
by Chilli
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:29 pm
by OomStruisbaai
FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:43 am
The Waterboys
"I pictured a rainbow
You held it in your hands
I had flashes
But you saw the plan"
FEJCjwaWUAEuh8Y (1).jpg
The Saffer waterboy for the Aussies seem to get more attention.
Rassie has been awesome yesterday.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:25 pm
by Margin__Walker
Break out the armbands lads
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:29 pm
by SaintK
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:25 pm
Break out the armbands lads
Shit!!! Is that all. Thought they'd throw a far bigger book at him than that
Derisory
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:33 pm
by Margin__Walker
More than I thought he'd get. He seems to have made threats to create publish the video before he actually did.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:38 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:25 pm
Break out the armbands lads
Is this with immediate effect?
We need him on saturday
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:39 pm
by Margin__Walker
I think so. This is actually pretty shit timing for England. Betting they would have preferred this to come out on Monday
Edit - yes
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:41 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:39 pm
I think so. This is actually pretty shit timing for England. Betting they would have preferred this to come out on Monday
You can bet on it. The Springboks will put up an extra effort for Rassie.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:42 pm
by FalseBayFC
Boo! Hiss! Justice for Rassie! Lucky his suspension will finish just in time for him to step into preparations for WC23. I'll miss his shenanigans tbqh. But its probably for the best. He's not been in the best of health and could do with a break. A pity he can't be on the sideline on Saturday. I wonder if his ban includes videos from his sofa.
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:39 pm
I think so. This is actually pretty shit timing for England. Betting they would have preferred this to come out on Monday
You can bet on it. The Springboks will put up an extra effort for Rassie.
Needs armbands though. I'll be gutted they don't got the full 'Justice for Bakkies' over it.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:43 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:39 pm
I think so. This is actually pretty shit timing for England. Betting they would have preferred this to come out on Monday
Edit - yes
SARU will appeal..
Thanks for the info.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:47 pm
by Kawazaki
One of the charges against Erasmus
...threatened a match official that unless a requested meeting took place, he would publish footage containing clips criticising the match official’s performance and then making good on that threat;
That is proper shithouse. What a total cunt he is.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:51 pm
by Enzedder
Having found him guilty, the sentence is a wet bus ticket punishment.
Those are serious offences and should be 12 months, not 2 months in the off season
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:05 pm
by SaintK
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:47 pm
One of the charges against Erasmus
...threatened a match official that unless a requested meeting took place, he would publish footage containing clips criticising the match official’s performance and then making good on that threat;
That is proper shithouse. What a total cunt he is.
Blackmail is a cuntish thing indeed
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:09 pm
by Slick
What games do SA have in the next 2 months?
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:16 pm
by Kawazaki
Slick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:09 pm
What games do SA have in the next 2 months?
One I think.
It's a very very lenient ban. I hope they appeal and they increase the ban from all rugby to 18 months.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:23 pm
by Kawazaki
Well that appeal was quick. World Rugby need to really crush this bastard. Total loose cannon, zero self-awareness and a danger to South African rugby.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:30 pm
by Enzedder
Good. Now there is a chance for a proper sentence
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:35 pm
by handyman
Calm down lads.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:50 pm
by Blake
Slick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:09 pm
What games do SA have in the next 2 months?
Just the England test, but Rassie is SA Director of Rugby. Not sure to what extent this impacts any involvement or plans he had with the URC Coaches and Administrators of the SA based teams, of meetings he might have had scheduled with European Clubs while he is there relating to SA players and access to them.
The wording of the 2 month ban from ANY rugby activities is quite broad.
The match-day ban I have no issue with. Seems fair and could have been made 12 months for all I care.
The 2 month complete rugby ban can be more impactful and damaging in the short term.
Hope this fires the Boks up for Saturday, but that they don’t to any armbands nonsense.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:50 pm
by Tichtheid
handyman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:35 pm
Calm down lads.
I’m finding it difficult to care about this, tbh.
If world rugby were some kind of saints themselves I might give a monkey’s.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:54 pm
by Uncle fester
Two months in the off season is very lenient for attempted blackmail of match officials.
handyman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:35 pm
Calm down lads.
I’m finding it difficult to care about this, tbh.
If world rugby were some kind of saints themselves I might give a monkey’s.
Indeed. Let’s be honest, there is zero chance that WR will be consistent in leveling this kind of sanction in future.
They have set a precedent, and just like with every player disciplinary hearing where they have been incredibly inconsistent, every time a coach says anything about referee this is going to be brought up.
It’s going to be mess.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:56 pm
by JM2K6
I'm glad he was punished, and if he did indeed threaten to release a video if he wasn't given a meeting then he's lucky it wasn't more.
handyman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:35 pm
Calm down lads.
I’m finding it difficult to care about this, tbh.
If world rugby were some kind of saints themselves I might give a monkey’s.
Indeed. Let’s be honest, there is zero chance that WR will be consistent in leveling this kind of sanction in future.
They have set a precedent, and just like with every player disciplinary hearing where they have been incredibly inconsistent, every time a coach says anything about referee this is going to be brought up.
It’s going to be mess.
Amusingly there are a couple of precedents (sort of) from the England coaching team at the weekend mentioned in the report.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:04 pm
by Blake
WR had to do something , and the sanction I think is fair.
Maybe even lenient.
Just wish they would also do some introspection and commit to formalising the referee dispute mechanism more and commit to some better timelines in releasing the referee report of matches.
Re: When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:10 pm
by Sards
What a clustervok. Like a bunch of children really.
