Been playing great, kicked a penalty to go 6 up with a couple of mins to half time. From the Sarries kick off, an idiotic block, then throw the ball away so penalised another 10m. Sarries kick to the corner and score from the line out
I just don't get Scottish ill discipline. We see it year after year (esp at intl level). It's like it's institutionalised stupidity.
Difficult to argue with that. I think there is a mental thing that the players don’t really believe they are really good enough to compete with the top sides, but they are and need to get over it
Don’t know how obvious it was on the TV but they were getting wildly agitated with the ref which seemed to become more and more of a distraction as the game went on
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:12 pm
I just don't get Scottish ill discipline. We see it year after year (esp at intl level). It's like it's institutionalised stupidity.
Difficult to argue with that. I think there is a mental thing that the players don’t really believe they are really good enough to compete with the top sides, but they are and need to get over it
Don’t know how obvious it was on the TV but they were getting wildly agitated with the ref which seemed to become more and more of a distraction as the game went on
Didn’t really to be honest. They seemed to be frustrated at the scrum penalties but didn’t notice too much else
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:04 pm
by Torquemada 1420
ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:47 pm
Could Webb be any more orange? He looks a total twat.
I frequently comment on the amount of Oompa Loompas there seem to be in Wales.
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:05 pm
by Torquemada 1420
ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:18 pm
Pisspreys probably blew their best chance of a win in this years HEC.
Plus ca change with them. I would have made a trip there to watch whichever Fre side they played....... but it's MH and if you think the Leicester game was turgid sh*te, MH are the undisputed, rugby-cancer champs at the moment.
Been playing great, kicked a penalty to go 6 up with a couple of mins to half time. From the Sarries kick off, an idiotic block, then throw the ball away so penalised another 10m. Sarries kick to the corner and score from the line out
I just don't get Scottish ill discipline. We see it year after year (esp at intl level). It's like it's institutionalised stupidity.
Difficult to argue with that. I think there is a mental thing that the players don’t really believe they are really good enough to compete with the top sides, but they are and need to get over it
It's friggin' annoying as a neutral. I feel your pain though as it reminds me so much of Fre sides (all levels) for decades. In fact, Racing did a great effort of harking back to the past this w/e.
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:28 pm
by Uncle fester
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:20 pm
Sale looked strong. Was the Stockdale in the back 3 for Ulster any relation to that winger the Nordies were talking up as world class a few years back? Maybe his uncle?
He's been wracked with injuries and his confidence is gone.
Probably bulked up too much during the downtime as well.
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:37 am
by Sards
Champions cup table
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:36 am
by OomStruisbaai
Challenge Cup
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:17 am
by Sards
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:37 am
Champions cup table
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:20 pm
Sale looked strong. Was the Stockdale in the back 3 for Ulster any relation to that winger the Nordies were talking up as world class a few years back? Maybe his uncle?
He's been wracked with injuries and his confidence is gone.
Probably bulked up too much during the downtime as well.
Thought it was funny that he was thought he was being clever taunting the Sale midget when Ulster were being hammered. Midget should have pointed Stockdale to the scoreboard.
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:20 pm
Sale looked strong. Was the Stockdale in the back 3 for Ulster any relation to that winger the Nordies were talking up as world class a few years back? Maybe his uncle?
He's been wracked with injuries and his confidence is gone.
Probably bulked up too much during the downtime as well.
Thought it was funny that he was thought he was being clever taunting the Sale midget when Ulster were being hammered. Midget should have pointed Stockdale to the scoreboard.
Yeah, that was rather bizarre. Bit embarrassing really.
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:20 pm
Sale looked strong. Was the Stockdale in the back 3 for Ulster any relation to that winger the Nordies were talking up as world class a few years back? Maybe his uncle?
He's been wracked with injuries and his confidence is gone.
Probably bulked up too much during the downtime as well.
Thought it was funny that he was thought he was being clever taunting the Sale midget when Ulster were being hammered. Midget should have pointed Stockdale to the scoreboard.
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:37 am
Champions cup table
Pleased we don't play Sale Sharks in our group
Saffer teams up in the top again...
I hate this format.
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:19 am
by SaintK
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:50 am
I hate this format.
Yep, it's awful.
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:22 am
by robmatic
GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:09 pm
Dear God you’ve got to be keen to watch this stuff.
Presumably Ospreys at least got a decent crowd in with a proper atmosphere for this one, because I heard that it's playing English opposition that will rescue Welsh rugby.
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:37 am
Champions cup table
Pleased we don't play Sale Sharks in our group
Saffer teams up in the top again...
I hate this format.
Play a couple of games against random opposition in the table and almost everybody qualifies. Who needs sporting drama.
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:02 am
by PCPhil
Behold the future.
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:04 am
by JM2K6
Well, I needed fewer demands on my time so that's okay really
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:07 am
by sockwithaticket
The only good thing currently is the commitment to not having teams from the same league play eachother. However, I'm sure that could be managed with a less shit format too.
He's been wracked with injuries and his confidence is gone.
Probably bulked up too much during the downtime as well.
Thought it was funny that he was thought he was being clever taunting the Sale midget when Ulster were being hammered. Midget should have pointed Stockdale to the scoreboard.
Which midget? Akker or Reed?
Curly haired one OTTOMH. Apologies but I am quite out of touch with Prem players.
The reverse is true. This makes it way easier to qualify for the later stages and reduces the pressure and hence the interest on the pool games. It also increases my pet hate of same nation sides playing one another.
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:12 pm
I just don't get Scottish ill discipline. We see it year after year (esp at intl level). It's like it's institutionalised stupidity.
Difficult to argue with that. I think there is a mental thing that the players don’t really believe they are really good enough to compete with the top sides, but they are and need to get over it
Don’t know how obvious it was on the TV but they were getting wildly agitated with the ref which seemed to become more and more of a distraction as the game went on
As my plans for this morning fell through due to the weather I watched the game instead.
It would have been totally different if I'd watched it live, but I thought the ref was excellent for an hour* then made a couple of mistakes which went against Edinburgh. I like when a ref won't be intimidated by players but he really didn't want to engage with Jamie Ritchie at all, if that starts to redress the balance away from certain players bitching at refs then I'll take it.
The reason I put an asterisk against the ref being excellent for an hour is that for the scrums where you could see what was going on he got them 100% wrong, so I've little reason to believe otherwise for the ones where you couldn't see it.
That wasn't why Edinburgh lost though, oh for the ability to freeze frame a match and put another player in position for certain plays, if Kinghorn had taken the intercept rather than Hoyland he would have made it to the line. Lang made a dog's dinner of that move later on.
We still had it in our grasp to win after that and it was down to us blowing it, nothing to do with the referee.
If Farrell could kick at more than 50% or whatever it was Sarries would have been out of sight with 10 minutes to go, so it wasn't so much one that got away for us, at least not to my mind.
We are going to have to raise our game, but to be honest I thought we were going to take a battering so it was pleasant enough to see us not completely out-classed by a side that has had such a dominant start to their season.
He's been wracked with injuries and his confidence is gone.
Probably bulked up too much during the downtime as well.
Thought it was funny that he was thought he was being clever taunting the Sale midget when Ulster were being hammered. Midget should have pointed Stockdale to the scoreboard.
Difficult to argue with that. I think there is a mental thing that the players don’t really believe they are really good enough to compete with the top sides, but they are and need to get over it
Don’t know how obvious it was on the TV but they were getting wildly agitated with the ref which seemed to become more and more of a distraction as the game went on
As my plans for this morning fell through due to the weather I watched the game instead.
It would have been totally different if I'd watched it live, but I thought the ref was excellent for an hour* then made a couple of mistakes which went against Edinburgh. I like when a ref won't be intimidated by players but he really didn't want to engage with Jamie Ritchie at all, if that starts to redress the balance away from certain players bitching at refs then I'll take it.
The reason I put an asterisk against the ref being excellent for an hour is that for the scrums where you could see what was going on he got them 100% wrong, so I've little reason to believe otherwise for the ones where you couldn't see it.
That wasn't why Edinburgh lost though, oh for the ability to freeze frame a match and put another player in position for certain plays, if Kinghorn had taken the intercept rather than Hoyland he would have made it to the line. Lang made a dog's dinner of that move later on.
We still had it in our grasp to win after that and it was down to us blowing it, nothing to do with the referee.
If Farrell could kick at more than 50% or whatever it was Sarries would have been out of sight with 10 minutes to go, so it wasn't so much one that got away for us, at least not to my mind.
We are going to have to raise our game, but to be honest I thought we were going to take a battering so it was pleasant enough to see us not completely out-classed by a side that has had such a dominant start to their season.
Think I'd tend to agree with that. Probably off camera but Ritchie and others were spending a lot of the game chucking arms up in the air, yelling at the TJs and generally chuntering. It seemed to get under their skin far too much.
The intercept was pretty inexplicable, if you ran that 99 times again I reckon Edinburgh score. Faz's kicking is clearly off the boil with his ankle - even the ones he knocked over seemed to go up rather than forward and really lacked any distance. Someone needs to have the balls to take the tee away from him for a bit, and would love for them to film it.
Incidentally I think it was mentioned on the Scottish thread, but I though VdM was very poor. I've wondered for a bit if defences might get wise to his sideways running and we certainly seemed to manage him without fuss yesterday.
Thought it was funny that he was thought he was being clever taunting the Sale midget when Ulster were being hammered. Midget should have pointed Stockdale to the scoreboard.
The reverse is true. This makes it way easier to qualify for the later stages and reduces the pressure and hence the interest on the pool games. It also increases my pet hate of same nation sides playing one another.
Yep we have more then enough derbies as it is. Tired of beating the Sharks.
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:51 pm
by Tichtheid
I don't know how to do two separate time stamps on the one video, so I'll do two posts.
There were a couple of very nice tries in the Zebre Toulon game
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:10 pm
by OomStruisbaai
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:55 pm
I am not as bothered as Dupont and others about the Saffers playing but that's because Leinster are currently cock of the walk. If we were missing out on European rugby I might feel differently. Agreed that the format is shite as is the URC. These huge groups baffle me
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:55 pm
I am not as bothered as Dupont and others about the Saffers playing but that's because Leinster are currently cock of the walk. If we were missing out on European rugby I might feel differently. Agreed that the format is shite as is the URC. These huge groups baffle me
Why URC?
I can only speak for myself, but I hate that we no longer have a traditional league structure with sides playing each other home and away each season.
Re: 2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:31 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:51 pm
I don't know how to do two separate time stamps on the one video, so I'll do two posts.
There were a couple of very nice tries in the Zebre Toulon
Can't believe Zebre came that close. Always thought Toulon is very strong.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:55 pm
I am not as bothered as Dupont and others about the Saffers playing but that's because Leinster are currently cock of the walk. If we were missing out on European rugby I might feel differently. Agreed that the format is shite as is the URC. These huge groups baffle me
Why URC?
I can only speak for myself, but I hate that we no longer have a traditional league structure with sides playing each other home and away each season.
At least all teams play each other. Home and away Derbies. Plus they make sure at least one team from the conferences go to Champions Cup.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:51 pm
I don't know how to do two separate time stamps on the one video, so I'll do two posts.
There were a couple of very nice tries in the Zebre Toulon
Can't believe Zebre came that close. Always thought Toulon is very strong.
I didn't check the lineups, but the French clubs usually put out a thirds/academy team in the Champions Cup, they really don't care about it at all unless they get to a final.
It really devalues the competition, which is a shame, but there is nothing really that can be done about it, the Top 14 league is everything in France.
The reverse is true. This makes it way easier to qualify for the later stages and reduces the pressure and hence the interest on the pool games. It also increases my pet hate of same nation sides playing one another.
Yep we have more then enough derbies as it is. Tired of beating the Sharks.
Just a reminder. We are 1 to 0 up against the Stormers this year
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:49 am
The reverse is true. This makes it way easier to qualify for the later stages and reduces the pressure and hence the interest on the pool games. It also increases my pet hate of same nation sides playing one another.
Yep we have more then enough derbies as it is. Tired of beating the Sharks.
Just a reminder. We are 1 to 0 up against the Stormers this year
We got the real Xmast derby vs our rivals Bulls in two weeks time in Cape Town. Going to be a cracker!
