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Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:00 pm The official government account released some pretty horrific images

https://twitter.com/israel?s=21

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:59 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:36 pm I find Regev and his TV interviews sickening and nasty. He has no empathy and is a blood thirsty price of shit with a disdain for humanity.
His writing however is much more nuanced and well researched

I don't know him well to be honest and can't recall seeing him on the telly. See he was the UK ambassador so can see why you have. Have read bits of his stuff over the years and he doesn't say anything that I can recall is particularly controversial. Always seems a bit surprised our relationship is so bad and tries to connect it to the big stuff like pre Vatican 2 and all that. Definitely connected but I think its simpler than that. The whole Anti apartheid was huge in Ireland and crossed all classes. Working class women in supermarkets organizing boycotts onto middle class wankers like me reading the Irish Times and harrumphing at whatever other atrocity Robert Fisk or Lara Marlowe were telling us the Israelis were at. You cannot underestimate how powerful those two became in forming ideas among the urban middle class and the Anti apartheid movement just moved onto Palestine. Huge infrastructure for that was already there in colleges and amongst all classes and political parties . It was a slam dunk

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:01 pm

Douglas makes some good points.

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:52 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:01 pm

Douglas makes some good points.

A few but on the whole he came across as insincere and spouted tropes and stereotypes and his vision of what the left feel etc the section of you are not allowed was particularly weak.
He played to a pliant audience, there was little critical thinking or real analysis.
It was tubthumping for a demographic.

boere wors wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:35 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:30 am Can we talk nuts and bolts.

Why are the Left on here and everywhere so utterly convinced that the land belongs to the "Palestinians"

I'd really like to know their understanding of the ownership and what facts they have to back up such strongly held beliefs.

The land is called Palestine, it belongs to the Palestinians. Quite easy you doofus.





I am joking, the wording alone is part of the problem.

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:52 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:01 pm

Douglas makes some good points.

A few but on the whole he came across as insincere and spouted tropes and stereotypes and his vision of what the left feel etc the section of you are not allowed was particularly weak.
He played to a pliant audience, there was little critical thinking or real analysis.
It was tubthumping for a demographic.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:03 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:52 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:01 pm

Douglas makes some good points.

A few but on the whole he came across as insincere and spouted tropes and stereotypes and his vision of what the left feel etc the section of you are not allowed was particularly weak.
He played to a pliant audience, there was little critical thinking or real analysis.
It was tubthumping for a demographic.

HIs book, the Strange death of Europe, so far, couldn't be any more accurate.

Do you mean the demograph that doesn't like to see people celebrating Hamas on the streets of the UK and Schools having to close for safety reasons? That demograph?

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:05 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:03 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:52 pm
A few but on the whole he came across as insincere and spouted tropes and stereotypes and his vision of what the left feel etc the section of you are not allowed was particularly weak.
He played to a pliant audience, there was little critical thinking or real analysis.
It was tubthumping for a demographic.

HIs book, the Strange death of Europe, so far, couldn't be any more accurate.

Do you mean the demograph that doesn't like to see people celebrating Hamas on the streets of the UK and Schools having to close for safety reasons? That demograph?

No I wasn't thinking of that demographic at all.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:25 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:39 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:26 am

It's far too late now but Israel have never made a real concession. And stopping taking land that doesn't belong to you isn't a concession.

Except, here they actually handed land back!! I’m m not sure how you missed that part.

Now here we are, despite that!

Israel also have the right to exist, which is not what Hamas think, demand.

If you steal stuff from a shop and under pressure, give a portion of it back while keeping the rest + promising not to take anymore and reneging on that, is everybody all square then?

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:07 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:05 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:03 pm

HIs book, the Strange death of Europe, so far, couldn't be any more accurate.

Do you mean the demograph that doesn't like to see people celebrating Hamas on the streets of the UK and Schools having to close for safety reasons? That demograph?

No I wasn't thinking of that demographic at all.

No, I didn't think you would be.

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:58 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:52 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:01 pm

Douglas makes some good points.

A few but on the whole he came across as insincere and spouted tropes and stereotypes and his vision of what the left feel etc the section of you are not allowed was particularly weak.
He played to a pliant audience, there was little critical thinking or real analysis.
It was tubthumping for a demographic.

Oh and btw I would certainly call HAMAS terrorists and have no issue if their leadership responsible for infanticide and attacks and civilians were assassinated. The same goes for anyone who has responsibility for such atrocities.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:14 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:58 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:52 pm
A few but on the whole he came across as insincere and spouted tropes and stereotypes and his vision of what the left feel etc the section of you are not allowed was particularly weak.
He played to a pliant audience, there was little critical thinking or real analysis.
It was tubthumping for a demographic.

Oh and btw I would certainly call HAMAS terrorists and have no issue if their leadership responsible for infanticide and attacks and civilians were assassinated. The same goes for anyone who has responsibility for such atrocities.

You and others keep saying that, like it's a get out clause, all the same while ignoring how Hamas and some of the people of Gaza are entirely entwined.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:27 pm You don't denounce it fully, you probably can't denounce it fully. You will only ever blame Hamas.

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:38 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:27 pm You don't denounce it fully, you probably can't denounce it fully. You will only ever blame Hamas.

What won't I denounce Mr mind reader?

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:38 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:27 pm You don't denounce it fully, you probably can't denounce it fully. You will only ever blame Hamas.

What won't I denounce Mr mind reader?

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:38 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:27 pm You don't denounce it fully, you probably can't denounce it fully. You will only ever blame Hamas.

What won't I denounce Mr mind reader?

I honestly can't be bothered.

The Palestinians exist for one purpose only, to be martyrs for the Arab world. It's fucking sick.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:38 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:27 pm You don't denounce it fully, you probably can't denounce it fully. You will only ever blame Hamas.

What won't I denounce Mr mind reader?

He's trying to get you to denounce an entire religion, he's even quoting the Enoch Powel du jour, that racist Murray.

The guy from Gwent is good, I'll give him that, he elicits responses designed to cause trouble, he is a good troll, he knows how to get people to respond to his incendiary posts. I'll qualify that by saying no racist is good and Gwent is a racist for sure.

It's up to the readers to respond or ignore.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:38 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:27 pm You don't denounce it fully, you probably can't denounce it fully. You will only ever blame Hamas.

What won't I denounce Mr mind reader?

He's trying to get you to denounce an entire religion, he's even quoting the Enoch Powel du jour, that racist Murray.

The guy from Gwent is good, I'll give him that, he elicits responses designed to cause trouble, he is a good troll, he knows how to get people to respond to his incendiary posts. I'll qualify that by saying no racist is good and Gwent is a racist for sure.

It's up to the readers to respond or ignore.

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:49 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:38 pm

What won't I denounce Mr mind reader?

I honestly can't be bothered.

The Palestinians exist for one purpose only, to be martyrs for the Arab world. It's fucking sick.

The Palestinians exist for one purpose.
Read your post, and tell me the infants and children believe that.

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:51 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:38 pm

What won't I denounce Mr mind reader?

He's trying to get you to denounce an entire religion, he's even quoting the Enoch Powel du jour, that racist Murray.

The guy from Gwent is good, I'll give him that, he elicits responses designed to cause trouble, he is a good troll, he knows how to get people to respond to his incendiary posts. I'll qualify that by saying no racist is good and Gwent is a racist for sure.

It's up to the readers to respond or ignore.

I disagree he is not good at all. He has his opinions and he is entitled to his opinions.
I may not agree but I will defend his right to have these idiosyncratic musings.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:50 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:38 pm

What won't I denounce Mr mind reader?

He's trying to get you to denounce an entire religion, he's even quoting the Enoch Powel du jour, that racist Murray.

The guy from Gwent is good, I'll give him that, he elicits responses designed to cause trouble, he is a good troll, he knows how to get people to respond to his incendiary posts. I'll qualify that by saying no racist is good and Gwent is a racist for sure.

It's up to the readers to respond or ignore.

FFS, I'm trying to get him to denounce a large portion of the Palestinians. He steadfastly refuses too. We've talked about it on previously on this thread.

He won't though.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:54 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:51 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 pm


He's trying to get you to denounce an entire religion, he's even quoting the Enoch Powel du jour, that racist Murray.

The guy from Gwent is good, I'll give him that, he elicits responses designed to cause trouble, he is a good troll, he knows how to get people to respond to his incendiary posts. I'll qualify that by saying no racist is good and Gwent is a racist for sure.

It's up to the readers to respond or ignore.

I disagree he is not good at all. He has his opinions and he is entitled to his opinions.
I may not agree but I will defend his right to have these idiosyncratic musings.

Oh I agree he is allowed to spout whatever shite, I just see people taking easy bait, he plays with posters way too easily.

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:55 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:50 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 pm


He's trying to get you to denounce an entire religion, he's even quoting the Enoch Powel du jour, that racist Murray.

The guy from Gwent is good, I'll give him that, he elicits responses designed to cause trouble, he is a good troll, he knows how to get people to respond to his incendiary posts. I'll qualify that by saying no racist is good and Gwent is a racist for sure.

It's up to the readers to respond or ignore.

FFS, I'm trying to get him to denounce a large portion of the Palestinians. He steadfastly refuses too. We've talked about it on previously on this thread.

He won't though.

I have no issue in denouncing anyone in Palestine that supports HAMAS or thinks their barbarism is justified
Or any Palestinian that does not think Israel has a right to exist.
Now Dave apologise when you read this and take time to reflect and realise you have been utterly wrong.
Totally and utterly spouting lies about a poster.
Cheers

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:55 pm

Care to give an example with context

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:14 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:58 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:52 pm
A few but on the whole he came across as insincere and spouted tropes and stereotypes and his vision of what the left feel etc the section of you are not allowed was particularly weak.
He played to a pliant audience, there was little critical thinking or real analysis.
It was tubthumping for a demographic.

Oh and btw I would certainly call HAMAS terrorists and have no issue if their leadership responsible for infanticide and attacks and civilians were assassinated. The same goes for anyone who has responsibility for such atrocities.

You and others keep saying that, like it's a get out clause, all the same while ignoring how Hamas and some of the people of Gaza are entirely entwined.

Simian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:56 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:14 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:58 pm
Oh and btw I would certainly call HAMAS terrorists and have no issue if their leadership responsible for infanticide and attacks and civilians were assassinated. The same goes for anyone who has responsibility for such atrocities.

You and others keep saying that, like it's a get out clause, all the same while ignoring how Hamas and some of the people of Gaza are entirely entwined.

You are such a cunt.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:53 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:49 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 pm

I honestly can't be bothered.

The Palestinians exist for one purpose only, to be martyrs for the Arab world. It's fucking sick.

The Palestinians exist for one purpose.
Read your post, and tell me the infants and children believe that.

There are literally thousands of hours of videos available showing the radicalisation of Palestinian kids and infants. It's not made up, it's not propaganda, it's not a "right wing conspiracy" it's a sick fact.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:02 pm

boere wors wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:35 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:30 am Can we talk nuts and bolts.

Why are the Left on here and everywhere so utterly convinced that the land belongs to the "Palestinians"

I'd really like to know their understanding of the ownership and what facts they have to back up such strongly held beliefs.

The land is called Palestine, it belongs to the Palestinians. Quite easy you doofus.





I am joking, the wording alone is part of the problem.

The people of Judea disagree.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:21 am

Enzedder wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:02 pm

boere wors wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:35 am
The land is called Palestine, it belongs to the Palestinians. Quite easy you doofus.





I am joking, the wording alone is part of the problem.

The people of Judea disagree.

People's Front of Judea or Judean People's Front?

PCPhil wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:31 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:21 am

Enzedder wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:02 pm

The people of Judea disagree.

People's Front of Judea or Judean People's Front?

Popular Front I think. They're just splitters

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:01 am 1.1m people to move within 24 hours.No fuel or food or water.
Lol. That is quite incredible.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:30 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:50 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:59 pm

I don't know him well to be honest and can't recall seeing him on the telly. See he was the UK ambassador so can see why you have. Have read bits of his stuff over the years and he doesn't say anything that I can recall is particularly controversial. Always seems a bit surprised our relationship is so bad and tries to connect it to the big stuff like pre Vatican 2 and all that. Definitely connected but I think its simpler than that. The whole Anti apartheid was huge in Ireland and crossed all classes. Working class women in supermarkets organizing boycotts onto middle class wankers like me reading the Irish Times and harrumphing at whatever other atrocity Robert Fisk or Lara Marlowe were telling us the Israelis were at. You cannot underestimate how powerful those two became in forming ideas among the urban middle class and the Anti apartheid movement just moved onto Palestine. Huge infrastructure for that was already there in colleges and amongst all classes and political parties . It was a slam dunk

We're one of the few western European countries that wasn't a colonial/regional power so have a different outlook to countries that have a natural affinity for taking stuff that didn't belong to them. Finns would be quite similar.

So with all your reading on this matter over the years you have come to the conclusion that Arabs and more specifically a group of then called Palestinians owned the Levant and the area called Palestine and the Jews took it on them. Are you a fucking third year arts studen or a Trot local councillor?

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:02 am Didn't know about this. Further cements how much of a group of cunts Hamas are: https://www.timesofisrael.com/protests- ... y-persist/

It's unlikely this latest set of aggressions helps this cause, but there's a slim chance it might harden their determination.

I guess if Israel can actually take out Hamas, there could be enough of an opening. Don't see it happening though. That would really need to be Israel's end game here, take out the government, and hold elections, where anyone with a hamas affiliation is not allowed to run.

Various anti-Hamas Palestinian political forces condemned the terror group’s response to the spontaneous uprising.

The Palestinian Democratic Union (FIDA) and the Socialist Palestinian People’s Party, two smaller parties affiliated with the PLO, issued statements denouncing the use of force by Hamas to disperse the protesters, emphasizing the right of citizens to peaceful demonstration, and urging Hamas to start tackling Gaza’s numerous problems.

Salim al-Bardeni, secretary general of the Palestinian Arab Front, another nationalist faction affiliated with the PLO, did not mince words. In an interview with Voice of Palestine radio station, he said: “Hamas sucks the blood of our people in the Gaza Strip, through its rule over it and the transfer of its money abroad.

“Hamas, since its coup against the legitimate ruler [the PA], has not made any improvement to the infrastructure of the Gaza Strip, and has not been able to provide the basic services that our people are deprived of, such as electricity,” al-Bardeni added.

“The uprising of the people of Gaza against Hamas is not surprising even for those who voted for them in the 2006 elections,” he said, referencing the last elections held in the Palestinian territories, “because Hamas eventually reneged on all their slogans.”