NPR

Posted: **Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:33 pm**

BnM wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:32 pm A'forking'men

I can't believe how many stupid people we have in this country.

Pfft. Surgeons. What do they know?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:38 am**

Herd immunity is not the reason for the drop in cases in Europe

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals ... 1357-X.pdf

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 am**

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:14 am**

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 am

Clogs needs a new pair of track pants.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:18 am**

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:38 am Herd immunity is not the reason for the drop in cases in Europe

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals ... 1357-X.pdf

Although the impacts of current control interventions on transmission need to be balanced against their short-term and long-term economic and health impacts on society, epi-demiological data suggest that no country has yet seen infection rates sufficient to prevent a second wave of transmission, should controls or behavioural precautions be relaxed without compensatory measures in place.

I infer that "compensatory measures" really translates to convincing people that they need to accept a larger number of infections/deaths, if they don't want the economy trashed for years to come.

Good luck finding a politician (in a democracy) who'll say that.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:18 am**

Ellafan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:18 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:38 am Herd immunity is not the reason for the drop in cases in Europe

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals ... 1357-X.pdf

Although the impacts of current control interventions on transmission need to be balanced against their short-term and long-term economic and health impacts on society, epi-demiological data suggest that no country has yet seen infection rates sufficient to prevent a second wave of transmission, should controls or behavioural precautions be relaxed without compensatory measures in place.
I infer that "compensatory measures" really translates to convincing people that they need to accept a larger number of infections/deaths, if they don't want the economy trashed for years to come.

Good luck finding a politician (in a democracy) who'll say that.

If your next election is more than 2 years ahead, he'll be fine.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:17 am**

Just received my test result back via text, Negative for COVID.

Quicker than expected

Back to the office tomorrow, this working from home malarky is kak.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:38 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:17 am Just received my test result back via text, Negative for COVID.

Quicker than expected

Back to the office tomorrow, this working from home malarky is kak.

Congrats mate

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:32 pm**

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 am

You follow r/straya as well?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:40 pm**

Positive news on a vaccine......

Oxford scientists believe they have made a breakthrough in their quest for a Covid-19 vaccine.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... pens-next/

Could be available in the UK in September

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:40 pm**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:40 pm Positive news on a vaccine......

Oxford scientists believe they have made a breakthrough in their quest for a Covid-19 vaccine.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... pens-next/
Could be available in the UK in September

There as been enough leaks out if this trial tgat to be honest that was being taken as read. It's the phase III trials that are key

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:42 pm**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:40 pm Positive news on a vaccine......

Oxford scientists believe they have made a breakthrough in their quest for a Covid-19 vaccine.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... pens-next/
Could be available in the UK in September

Fingers crossed

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:46 pm**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:40 pm Positive news on a vaccine......

Oxford scientists believe they have made a breakthrough in their quest for a Covid-19 vaccine.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... pens-next/
Could be available in the UK in September

Just leave it to Boris (dropped trifle) to sort out....

We're fucked....

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:47 am**

-RB. wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:14 am
Hong Kong wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 am
Clogs needs a new pair of track pants.

NO I don't they are brand new.

Erm would have been what I said if that was me...

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:31 am**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:40 pm Positive news on a vaccine......

Oxford scientists believe they have made a breakthrough in their quest for a Covid-19 vaccine.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... pens-next/
Could be available in the UK in September

paywall

What stage are the trials at?

There is at least one in human trials in Australia, but it's 12 months from release (if it works).

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:28 am**

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:31 am
Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:40 pm Positive news on a vaccine......

Oxford scientists believe they have made a breakthrough in their quest for a Covid-19 vaccine.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... pens-next/
Could be available in the UK in September
paywall

What stage are the trials at?

There is at least one in human trials in Australia, but it's 12 months from release (if it works).

The oxford one is described as being at stage II/III, so stage II is still ongoing and stage III has started (10,000 people, substantially in Brazil). Stage III at the moment scheduled to run until August 2021. The US vaccine from Moderna is just about to move to that stage. Realistically they will need at 12-18 months for that. I also read that one of the Chinese vaccines is effectively changing the approach; instead of a standard phase III, it looks like they’re going to a kind of closed phase IV, by vaccinating the armed services.

When they say ‘available’ it’s basically going to be as part of the stage III trial work.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:35 am**

So, why are we wearing face masks instead of visors covering the WHOLE face. One would have thought that this would be a no-brainer.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:47 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:35 am So, why are we wearing face masks instead of visors covering the WHOLE face. One would have thought that this would be a no-brainer.

Because you're covering the area where you spread from not the area that can be spread to.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:50 am**

CM11 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:47 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:35 am So, why are we wearing face masks instead of visors covering the WHOLE face. One would have thought that this would be a no-brainer.
Because you're covering the area where you spread from not the area that can be spread to.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:52 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:35 am So, why are we wearing face masks instead of visors covering the WHOLE face. One would have thought that this would be a no-brainer.

Nobody is stopping you from wearing a visor

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:56 am**

Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:52 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:35 am So, why are we wearing face masks instead of visors covering the WHOLE face. One would have thought that this would be a no-brainer.
Nobody is stopping you from wearing a visor

Which I do, but wearing a visor instead of wearing a face mask should be promoted don't you think? Makes sense to me.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:59 am**

Can't imagine a visor stops many droplets from escaping out the bottom or around the sides. A mask stops a huge amount of them.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:01 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:56 am
Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:52 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:35 am So, why are we wearing face masks instead of visors covering the WHOLE face. One would have thought that this would be a no-brainer.
Nobody is stopping you from wearing a visor
Which I do, but wearing a visor instead of wearing a face mask should be promoted don't you think? Makes sense to me.

The point of wearing a mask is to stop the wearer spreading the virus. A mask does that better than a visor.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:08 am**

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Can't imagine a visor stops many droplets from escaping out the bottom or around the sides. A mask stops a huge amount of them.
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You imagine wrongly. I think I'm going to write a thesis on how many infections could have been avoided if everyone wore visors instead of face masks after Miss Corona has left the building.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:10 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:08 am
Raggs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:59 am Can't imagine a visor stops many droplets from escaping out the bottom or around the sides. A mask stops a huge amount of them.
You imagine wrongly. I think I'm going to write a thesis on how many infections could have been avoided if everyone wore visors instead of face masks after Miss Corona has left the building.

Got any evidence for that?

How does an open sided and open bottomed visor, prevent droplet spread?

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:15 am**

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:01 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:56 am
Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:52 am

Nobody is stopping you from wearing a visor
Which I do, but wearing a visor instead of wearing a face mask should be promoted don't you think? Makes sense to me.
The point of wearing a mask is to stop the wearer spreading the virus. A mask does that better than a visor.

That's debatable (and probably only true in extreme cases of sever coughing or sneezing). Besides, some face cloths are so shit that it's useless. However, what can not be denied is that the infection should be less if ALL are wearing full face visors.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:20 am**

Visors are better for stopping direct transmission but weaker at leaving the virus behind in places. Compared to an average mask. Obviously the top end masks are better than visors.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:22 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:15 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:01 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:56 am

Which I do, but wearing a visor instead of wearing a face mask should be promoted don't you think? Makes sense to me.
The point of wearing a mask is to stop the wearer spreading the virus. A mask does that better than a visor.
That's debatable (and probably only true in extreme cases of sever coughing or sneezing). Besides, some face cloths are so shit that it's useless. However, what can not be denied is that the infection should be less if ALL are wearing full face visors.

Yes, infection would be less if all wore full face visors.

What cannot be denied, is infection would be less if all wore full face visors, and masks.

What cannot be denied is infection would be less if all wore full face visors, masks, aprons, gloves, and stood 3m apart, and all shopping was done outside.

That's nice.

That's also not the issue.

What's needed is the most accessible, and most effective options. And that's a mask. A mask, even a shitty cotton t-shirt one, can stop 90%+ of droplets (you can check the studies). Whereas they'll happily come out all the sides of a visor and still float around for hours with a visor.

And a visor won't actually stop any droplets from being breathed in either (a mask won't do much for that either).

So yes, a visor will reduce infection. But I don't think it would be as much as a mask, and it's not as easily accessible for the general public.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:26 am**

Also, you are assuming that droplets could easily escape a visor. I'm talking about a PROPER visor. The kind that the doctors and nurses wear who are caring for the critical cases in ICU. By now millions of cheap models could have been rolled out to the general public.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:29 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:26 am Also, you are assuming that droplets could easily escape a visor. I'm talking about a PROPER visor. The kind that the doctors and nurses wear who are caring for the critical cases in ICU. By now millions of cheap models could have been rolled out to the general public.

...

There's a reason why those doctors and nurses wear masks underneath.

When you say droplet, you're talking about a big old dollop of water you can see splatter on the visor after a sneeze aren't you.

The rest of us are talking about the sort of droplet you see when you breath out on a very cold day (those are actually bigger than the droplets we're talking about, which is why they're visible). The sort that form condensation when you breath on a piece of glass.

A visor will stop a big old bit of water splatting in your eyes. A mask will stop that droplet from shooting out in the first place.

A mask will also stop a shit ton more droplets that spread every time you breath, whereas they'd just go around a visor.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:38 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:56 am
Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:52 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:35 am So, why are we wearing face masks instead of visors covering the WHOLE face. One would have thought that this would be a no-brainer.
Nobody is stopping you from wearing a visor
Which I do, but wearing a visor instead of wearing a face mask should be promoted don't you think? Makes sense to me.

Well if you want to get kitted up like me at an arrest with a proper fitted mask, visor, suit and gloves you can crack on. Thats the real way to stop the spread but I'll be fucked if I'm going out to buy that and wear it every time I'm out.

You'll also need acticlor (or similar) to decon your visor or lots of visors.

Thats not practical.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:42 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:17 am Just received my test result back via text, Negative for COVID.

Quicker than expected

Back to the office tomorrow, this working from home malarky is kak.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:46 am**

Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:38 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:56 am
Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:52 am

Nobody is stopping you from wearing a visor
Which I do, but wearing a visor instead of wearing a face mask should be promoted don't you think? Makes sense to me.
Well if you want to get kitted up like me at an arrest with a proper fitted mask, visor, suit and gloves you can crack on. Thats the real way to stop the spread but I'll be fucked if I'm going out to buy that and wear it every time I'm out.

You'll also need acticlor (or similar) to decon your visor or lots of visors.

Thats not practical.

It's not necessary to "decontaminate" a face mask too? Easier and faster to "decontaminate" a visor.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:52 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:35 am So, why are we wearing face masks instead of visors covering the WHOLE face. One would have thought that this would be a no-brainer.

Unless you wear them tipped back on your head like the barber I went to the other day

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:56 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:46 am
Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:38 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:56 am

Which I do, but wearing a visor instead of wearing a face mask should be promoted don't you think? Makes sense to me.
Well if you want to get kitted up like me at an arrest with a proper fitted mask, visor, suit and gloves you can crack on. Thats the real way to stop the spread but I'll be fucked if I'm going out to buy that and wear it every time I'm out.

You'll also need acticlor (or similar) to decon your visor or lots of visors.

Thats not practical.
It's not necessary to "decontaminate" a face mask too? Easier and faster to "decontaminate" a visor.

One time use.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:03 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:35 am So, why are we wearing face masks instead of visors covering the WHOLE face.

If you cover your whole face with a pillow, I think we'd all appreciate it.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:05 am**

Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:56 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:46 am
Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:38 am
Well if you want to get kitted up like me at an arrest with a proper fitted mask, visor, suit and gloves you can crack on. Thats the real way to stop the spread but I'll be fucked if I'm going out to buy that and wear it every time I'm out.

You'll also need acticlor (or similar) to decon your visor or lots of visors.

Thats not practical.
It's not necessary to "decontaminate" a face mask too? Easier and faster to "decontaminate" a visor.
One time use.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:05 am**

Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:56 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:46 am
Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:38 am
Well if you want to get kitted up like me at an arrest with a proper fitted mask, visor, suit and gloves you can crack on. Thats the real way to stop the spread but I'll be fucked if I'm going out to buy that and wear it every time I'm out.

You'll also need acticlor (or similar) to decon your visor or lots of visors.

Thats not practical.
It's not necessary to "decontaminate" a face mask too? Easier and faster to "decontaminate" a visor.
One time use.

One time use can't be afforded by most. Wearing a cheap, proper visor = effective way of reducing spread of virus and cost-effective; wearing face mask/cloth = preparing for a beauty contest hoping you don't get infected/ could be expensive and out of reach for many. No-brainer. Use a proper, cheap visor

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:04 am**

You're wrong so kindly do up all a favour and stfu.

Which particular reincarnated drongo is this anway?

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:11 am**

Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:05 am
Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:56 am
Amethyst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:46 am

It's not necessary to "decontaminate" a face mask too? Easier and faster to "decontaminate" a visor.
One time use.
One time use can't be afforded by most. Wearing a cheap, proper visor = effective way of reducing spread of virus and cost-effective; wearing face mask/cloth = preparing for a beauty contest hoping you don't get infected/ could be expensive and out of reach for many. No-brainer. Use a proper, cheap visor

You asked why it wasn't necessary to decontaminate a mask. If you're washing a reusable mask properly you're effectively decontaminating it, this doesn't negate decontaminating a visor.

If people are wearing masks visors aren't necessary. If you want to cut about in one thats up to you.

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