PR looks like it has finally kicked the bucket

[MungoMan]

Neither forum had a match thread for Rebels v Force. A bit poor, that.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Neither forum had a match thread for Rebels v Force. A bit poor, that.

Felt bad cheering for the Rebels. I mean, they're one of my sides but there's a lot to love about this hastily assembled Force team.

[SaintK]

The combination of shitty user interface and heavy volume of NH posters has turned me off PR.

This place is my default forum these days.

Oh dear!
Where are you going to go when the volume of NH posters gets too "heavy" here

Nothing against NH posters, you just naturally have different interests when it comes to rugby.

If I'm looking to find healthy debate about the All Blacks squad or the North v South game I am more likely to find it here.

Fair call!

[Ellafan]

...
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation.

...

That is a not entirely complete description of the general covid thread, and as another example, Australian politics thread on the old PR bored. For a start you need to add that anyone who seeks to dissent from the "thread-orthodoxy" is disparaged, dismissed , and hounded off the thread. There is no actual debate, it is all ideologically driven bullying.

So far this bored has maintained a better standard, but there have been some worrying indications - LBGT jokes and the like. Not a good look.

[Steve]

...
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation.

...

That is a not entirely complete description of the general covid thread, and as another example, Australian politics thread on the old PR bored. For a start you need to add that anyone who seeks to dissent from the "thread-orthodoxy" is disparaged, dismissed , and hounded off the thread. There is no actual debate, it is all ideologically driven bullying.

So far this bored has maintained a better standard, but there have been some worrying indications - LBGT jokes and the like. Not a good look.

Have the B's usurped the G's in that acronym? Blink and you miss the trend shifts these days.

For what's its worth I think you should be allowed joke about anything . Its all about the target of the joke and not the subject as Ricky Gervais has explained eloquently in numerous times.

I also note that there was some bizarre "rule" of not being able to name the Christchurch shooter PR. Are we going to use that criteria with every unpalatable crime that is committed? If people want to type his name they should be allowed to. Thats just policing speech, and someones name is not offensive.

[Steve]

...
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation.

...

That is a not entirely complete description of the general covid thread, and as another example, Australian politics thread on the old PR bored. For a start you need to add that anyone who seeks to dissent from the "thread-orthodoxy" is disparaged, dismissed , and hounded off the thread. There is no actual debate, it is all ideologically driven bullying.

So far this bored has maintained a better standard, but there have been some worrying indications - LBGT jokes and the like. Not a good look.

Im confused...Are you for or against the jokes? Is the better standard that you allude to that we are allowed talk about anything on here or that its policed stricter on here? Im not sure what side of the argument you fall on ? apologies for my my incomprehension in advance.

[Ellafan]

...
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation.

...

That is a not entirely complete description of the general covid thread, and as another example, Australian politics thread on the old PR bored. For a start you need to add that anyone who seeks to dissent from the "thread-orthodoxy" is disparaged, dismissed , and hounded off the thread. There is no actual debate, it is all ideologically driven bullying.

So far this bored has maintained a better standard, but there have been some worrying indications - LBGT jokes and the like. Not a good look.

Im confused...Are you for or against the jokes? Is the better standard that you allude to that we are allowed talk about anything on here or that its policed stricter on here? Im not sure what side of the argument you fall on ? apologies for my my incomprehension in advance.

In my view, LGBT jokes should be verboten.

The suppression of the Christchurch murderer's name was part of a wider media movement to deny him the notoriety he craved. It's a Schrödinger's cat related thing.

[stemoc]

Neither forum had a match thread for Rebels v Force. A bit poor, that.

usually do aussie soup on greenandgold forum

[eldanielfire]

There are other examples.

The Brexit thread is another.

On PR the thread is a toxic mess with pro-Brexit loons denouncing any attempt to point out the lunacy of leaving the EU, especially in view of the changing circumstances brought on by the pandemic.

This is a topic that will impact lives and livelihoods in the UK an in Europe and it deserves rigorous debate, but on PR any rational discussion is closed down early and on here there doesn't seem to be any interest.

The loon factor came from both sides. Let's not pretend the Brexit thread wasn't full of the usual anti-English/British trolls who obsessively posted only what suited them and ignored anything that didn't suit, just like the Brexit bunch. It was a toxic shit-fest that anyone without an extremist view on either side and lots of bias confirmation was frozen out of by both sides.

There's been lots of wrong on the supposed disaster of leaving the EU (with 'experts saying there would already be these recessions and mass exodus to the EU if we voted leave/if we triggered article 50, when we left the EU), likewise leaving won't be the paradise it was promoted as, with any benefits coming in the medium to long term.

[eldanielfire]

Neither forum had a match thread for Rebels v Force. A bit poor, that.

The consistency of match threads being made has actually been declining for a while. It does seem splitting the forum community has reduced the overall talking volume for the most part.

[Steve]

That is a not entirely complete description of the general covid thread, and as another example, Australian politics thread on the old PR bored. For a start you need to add that anyone who seeks to dissent from the "thread-orthodoxy" is disparaged, dismissed , and hounded off the thread. There is no actual debate, it is all ideologically driven bullying.

So far this bored has maintained a better standard, but there have been some worrying indications - LBGT jokes and the like. Not a good look.

Im confused...Are you for or against the jokes? Is the better standard that you allude to that we are allowed talk about anything on here or that its policed stricter on here? Im not sure what side of the argument you fall on ? apologies for my my incomprehension in advance.

In my view, LGBT jokes should be verboten.

The suppression of the Christchurch murderer's name was part of a wider media movement to deny him the notoriety he craved. It's a Schrödinger's cat related thing.

I respectfully disagree , and when I see someone like David Chappelle including a long skit about LGBTQ in his last Netflix special I feel like my opinion on the issue is somewhat legitimised . If all these people want equality than they should equally be allowed to have the piss taken out of them .

Otherwise the only jokes allowed will be ones about straight white males.

Be offended. Nothing happens

[Fangle]

There are other examples.

The Brexit thread is another.

On PR the thread is a toxic mess with pro-Brexit loons denouncing any attempt to point out the lunacy of leaving the EU, especially in view of the changing circumstances brought on by the pandemic.

This is a topic that will impact lives and livelihoods in the UK an in Europe and it deserves rigorous debate, but on PR any rational discussion is closed down early and on here there doesn't seem to be any interest.

Im not from the UK but using adjectives like loons to describe someone who has an alternative view to you is probably where the discourse starts to break down .
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation. The UK and the USA are in the vanguard of this madness.

If I gave you my own personal example ...Im pro gay marriage, pro abortion (foetuses up until the age of 23 heheh), pro legalising marijuana, pro assisted suicide, pro universal income, pro free health care, pro free education.Im completely against western intervention in the middle east and haven't supported any wars or insurgencies in my life time. However I am troubled by un-regulated immigration and the way we are brow beaten into accepting it, and think I should be allowed murder anyone who comes into my house even if they just want my stereo. I think there are only two genders. I don't think biological males should be allowed play women's sports.

Am I a looney lefty or a right wing racist scumbag? Im sure in conversations online on here or other websites someone would paint me as one or the other.

Im just a 37 year old fella, pay my taxes, do the odd triathlon, do charity work with the local guide dog foundation ad try and visit my mother as often as possible. I don't wake up in the morning to fuck anyone over.

You never know who you are talking to online anyway. You could be 45 with two kids and paying the upper rate of tax and you'll be in an internet row with a 19 year old with a humanities degree who has the solution to everything but has never had to clear an overdraft. If you're not a socialist when you're 20 you have no heart. If you are still a socialist when you're 40 you've got no head.

Id recommend reading the madness of crowds by Douglas Murray and then probably staying off the internet politics talk for a long time. Its malevolent .

I don’t understand how people think they can persuade anyone to change their views by denigrating them.

[Steve]

There are other examples.

The Brexit thread is another.

On PR the thread is a toxic mess with pro-Brexit loons denouncing any attempt to point out the lunacy of leaving the EU, especially in view of the changing circumstances brought on by the pandemic.

This is a topic that will impact lives and livelihoods in the UK an in Europe and it deserves rigorous debate, but on PR any rational discussion is closed down early and on here there doesn't seem to be any interest.

Im not from the UK but using adjectives like loons to describe someone who has an alternative view to you is probably where the discourse starts to break down .
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation. The UK and the USA are in the vanguard of this madness.

If I gave you my own personal example ...Im pro gay marriage, pro abortion (foetuses up until the age of 23 heheh), pro legalising marijuana, pro assisted suicide, pro universal income, pro free health care, pro free education.Im completely against western intervention in the middle east and haven't supported any wars or insurgencies in my life time. However I am troubled by un-regulated immigration and the way we are brow beaten into accepting it, and think I should be allowed murder anyone who comes into my house even if they just want my stereo. I think there are only two genders. I don't think biological males should be allowed play women's sports.

Am I a looney lefty or a right wing racist scumbag? Im sure in conversations online on here or other websites someone would paint me as one or the other.

Im just a 37 year old fella, pay my taxes, do the odd triathlon, do charity work with the local guide dog foundation ad try and visit my mother as often as possible. I don't wake up in the morning to fuck anyone over.

You never know who you are talking to online anyway. You could be 45 with two kids and paying the upper rate of tax and you'll be in an internet row with a 19 year old with a humanities degree who has the solution to everything but has never had to clear an overdraft. If you're not a socialist when you're 20 you have no heart. If you are still a socialist when you're 40 you've got no head.

Id recommend reading the madness of crowds by Douglas Murray and then probably staying off the internet politics talk for a long time. Its malevolent .

I don’t understand how people think they can persuade anyone to change their views by denigrating them.

Hi Fangle,

I hope you don’t think I have denigrated him ?

[Rinkals]

There are other examples.

The Brexit thread is another.

On PR the thread is a toxic mess with pro-Brexit loons denouncing any attempt to point out the lunacy of leaving the EU, especially in view of the changing circumstances brought on by the pandemic.

This is a topic that will impact lives and livelihoods in the UK an in Europe and it deserves rigorous debate, but on PR any rational discussion is closed down early and on here there doesn't seem to be any interest.

Im not from the UK but using adjectives like loons to describe someone who has an alternative view to you is probably where the discourse starts to break down .
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation. The UK and the USA are in the vanguard of this madness.

If I gave you my own personal example ...Im pro gay marriage, pro abortion (foetuses up until the age of 23 heheh), pro legalising marijuana, pro assisted suicide, pro universal income, pro free health care, pro free education.Im completely against western intervention in the middle east and haven't supported any wars or insurgencies in my life time. However I am troubled by un-regulated immigration and the way we are brow beaten into accepting it, and think I should be allowed murder anyone who comes into my house even if they just want my stereo. I think there are only two genders. I don't think biological males should be allowed play women's sports.

Am I a looney lefty or a right wing racist scumbag? Im sure in conversations online on here or other websites someone would paint me as one or the other.

Im just a 37 year old fella, pay my taxes, do the odd triathlon, do charity work with the local guide dog foundation ad try and visit my mother as often as possible. I don't wake up in the morning to fuck anyone over.

You never know who you are talking to online anyway. You could be 45 with two kids and paying the upper rate of tax and you'll be in an internet row with a 19 year old with a humanities degree who has the solution to everything but has never had to clear an overdraft. If you're not a socialist when you're 20 you have no heart. If you are still a socialist when you're 40 you've got no head.

Id recommend reading the madness of crowds by Douglas Murray and then probably staying off the internet politics talk for a long time. Its malevolent .

I'm at a bit of a loss to understand what you are trying to say here.

I hope that I would welcome any rational debate and that was exactly the point that I tried to make. There are some strident pro-Brexit posters (I'm thinking particularly of someone with the moniker "Bayern"), for whom it's quite difficult to think of an alternative pronoun which might adequately describe them.

I am resolved not to go back to PR and hope that NPR will build the sort of membership that can discuss the sort of important matters affecting our world today without it degenerating into the shitfights which characterise the discussions there.

[Steve]

There are other examples.

The Brexit thread is another.

On PR the thread is a toxic mess with pro-Brexit loons denouncing any attempt to point out the lunacy of leaving the EU, especially in view of the changing circumstances brought on by the pandemic.

This is a topic that will impact lives and livelihoods in the UK an in Europe and it deserves rigorous debate, but on PR any rational discussion is closed down early and on here there doesn't seem to be any interest.

Im not from the UK but using adjectives like loons to describe someone who has an alternative view to you is probably where the discourse starts to break down .
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation. The UK and the USA are in the vanguard of this madness.

If I gave you my own personal example ...Im pro gay marriage, pro abortion (foetuses up until the age of 23 heheh), pro legalising marijuana, pro assisted suicide, pro universal income, pro free health care, pro free education.Im completely against western intervention in the middle east and haven't supported any wars or insurgencies in my life time. However I am troubled by un-regulated immigration and the way we are brow beaten into accepting it, and think I should be allowed murder anyone who comes into my house even if they just want my stereo. I think there are only two genders. I don't think biological males should be allowed play women's sports.

Am I a looney lefty or a right wing racist scumbag? Im sure in conversations online on here or other websites someone would paint me as one or the other.

Im just a 37 year old fella, pay my taxes, do the odd triathlon, do charity work with the local guide dog foundation ad try and visit my mother as often as possible. I don't wake up in the morning to fuck anyone over.

You never know who you are talking to online anyway. You could be 45 with two kids and paying the upper rate of tax and you'll be in an internet row with a 19 year old with a humanities degree who has the solution to everything but has never had to clear an overdraft. If you're not a socialist when you're 20 you have no heart. If you are still a socialist when you're 40 you've got no head.

Id recommend reading the madness of crowds by Douglas Murray and then probably staying off the internet politics talk for a long time. Its malevolent .

I'm at a bit of a loss to understand what you are trying to say here.

I hope that I would welcome any rational debate and that was exactly the point that I tried to make. There are some strident pro-Brexit posters (I'm thinking particularly of someone with the moniker "Bayern"), for whom it's quite difficult to think of an alternative pronoun which might adequately describe them.

I am resolved not to go back to PR and hope that NPR will build the sort of membership that can discuss the sort of important matters affecting our world today without it degenerating into the shitfights which characterise the discussions there.

Ah we are in agreement so . I agree . I’m interested in having open and fair discussions on any topic once it’s spoken about under its own merits and there isn’t a presumption of what my opinion would be on other topics .

For example if I voted for Boris Johnson it wouldn’t be presumed that this was indicative that I also held x y and z views on other topics .

For me that’s the problem . “ you voted for brexit so you are this this and this “ .

I’d vote for trump over Biden ( I’m not American , I can’t ) but that shouldn’t be an open door for people to accuse me of being anything else .

[Fangle]

Im not from the UK but using adjectives like loons to describe someone who has an alternative view to you is probably where the discourse starts to break down .
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation. The UK and the USA are in the vanguard of this madness.

If I gave you my own personal example ...Im pro gay marriage, pro abortion (foetuses up until the age of 23 heheh), pro legalising marijuana, pro assisted suicide, pro universal income, pro free health care, pro free education.Im completely against western intervention in the middle east and haven't supported any wars or insurgencies in my life time. However I am troubled by un-regulated immigration and the way we are brow beaten into accepting it, and think I should be allowed murder anyone who comes into my house even if they just want my stereo. I think there are only two genders. I don't think biological males should be allowed play women's sports.

Am I a looney lefty or a right wing racist scumbag? Im sure in conversations online on here or other websites someone would paint me as one or the other.

Im just a 37 year old fella, pay my taxes, do the odd triathlon, do charity work with the local guide dog foundation ad try and visit my mother as often as possible. I don't wake up in the morning to fuck anyone over.

You never know who you are talking to online anyway. You could be 45 with two kids and paying the upper rate of tax and you'll be in an internet row with a 19 year old with a humanities degree who has the solution to everything but has never had to clear an overdraft. If you're not a socialist when you're 20 you have no heart. If you are still a socialist when you're 40 you've got no head.

Id recommend reading the madness of crowds by Douglas Murray and then probably staying off the internet politics talk for a long time. Its malevolent .

I don’t understand how people think they can persuade anyone to change their views by denigrating them.

Hi Fangle,

I hope you don’t think I have denigrated him ?

You kept to the side of the line by criticizing the post and not the poster.

[Steve]

I think that’s the only way .

In football parlance , play the ball and not the man .

Other wise we all just resort to calling each other cunts .

[Ellafan]

Im confused...Are you for or against the jokes? Is the better standard that you allude to that we are allowed talk about anything on here or that its policed stricter on here? Im not sure what side of the argument you fall on ? apologies for my my incomprehension in advance.

In my view, LGBT jokes should be verboten.

The suppression of the Christchurch murderer's name was part of a wider media movement to deny him the notoriety he craved. It's a Schrödinger's cat related thing.

I respectfully disagree , and when I see someone like David Chappelle including a long skit about LGBTQ in his last Netflix special I feel like my opinion on the issue is somewhat legitimised . If all these people want equality than they should equally be allowed to have the piss taken out of them .

Otherwise the only jokes allowed will be ones about straight white males.

Be offended. Nothing happens

Whilst I support your right to express political opinions that challenge the thread-orthodoxies, and to debate those in a sensible and intelligent manner .... without personal attacks on other posters -

You ought likewise respect the right of LGBT people not to be disparaged by being the butt of jokes. Just because Chappelle did it is not important, IMHO.

I was surprised the mods here did not act on the "trans" changing room joke on the Amy Perrett thread. On any objective standard, it was offensive and ought have been nixed.

[Steve]

In my view, LGBT jokes should be verboten.

The suppression of the Christchurch murderer's name was part of a wider media movement to deny him the notoriety he craved. It's a Schrödinger's cat related thing.

I respectfully disagree , and when I see someone like David Chappelle including a long skit about LGBTQ in his last Netflix special I feel like my opinion on the issue is somewhat legitimised . If all these people want equality than they should equally be allowed to have the piss taken out of them .

Otherwise the only jokes allowed will be ones about straight white males.

Be offended. Nothing happens

Whilst I support your right to express political opinions that challenge the thread-orthodoxies, and to debate those in a sensible and intelligent manner .... without personal attacks on other posters -

You ought likewise respect the right of LGBT people not to be disparaged by being the butt of jokes. Just because Chappelle did it is not important, IMHO.

I was surprised the mods here did not act on the "trans" changing room joke on the Amy Perrett thread. On any objective standard, it was offensive and ought have been nixed.

I have only been on the forum for two days so don't know the joke you are referring to. ill have a gander.

[Steve]

"We need some trans refs, and it would have the added benefit of none of the usual bathroom or changing area squabbles."

This???


Nothing wrong with it for me.

[Steve]

[/quote]

Just because Chappelle did it is not important, IMHO.


[/quote]

60 million dollars a Grammy and (I presume) lawyers checking the material on netflix behalf to check for potential litigation makes me surmise the content is kosher.

[Ellafan]

"We need some trans refs, and it would have the added benefit of none of the usual bathroom or changing area squabbles."

This???


Nothing wrong with it for me.

That may be so, on a subjective application of your views/ideas on the subject. Objectively, it is making sexist fun of both a female ref (in the context of the thread) and also trans people generally.

Luckily for you, the mods here have said that they will not adhere to any clear objective standard, there is some grey-area undefined "bar" that they assert is OK because "we are adults".

Perhaps your views align with their subjective, capricious approach to these things. My views favour clear rules, and objective, transparent decision making - with the decision makers uninvolved in the day to day argument on the forum.

If so, you'll probably like it here, so have fun.

[Steve]

"We need some trans refs, and it would have the added benefit of none of the usual bathroom or changing area squabbles."

This???


Nothing wrong with it for me.

That may be so, on a subjective application of your views/ideas on the subject. Objectively, it is making sexist fun of both a female ref (in the context of the thread) and also trans people generally.

No it isn't. Read it again dispassionately. It doesn't make fun of trans people at any time.

[notfatcat]

You ought likewise respect the right of LGBT people not to be disparaged by being the butt of jokes

Indeed. As a protected people they should be sheltered from certain cultural norms, including being joked about, as they don't have the capacity to deal with them.

[Ellafan]

Do you actually comprehend the difference between a subjective, and an objective assessment?

Assume you are not you for a moment who you are as a biased individual, and eject all your ingrained cultural norms and biases, the fact that you think making jokes about other people's proclivities is smart or funny.

You are, now, a decent ordinary citizen on the Clapham omnibus. A reasonable observer, asking the question - if that is hurtful, should I do this, or am I being a chav cunt?

Start again with a clean slate.

[Steve]

They seem well able to handle themselves when it suits.

Ive never seen a movement so beautifully manage to be both oppressors and oppressed at the same time.

[Steve]

Do you actually comprehend the difference between a subjective, and an objective assessment?

Assume you are not you for a moment who you are as a biased individual, and eject all your ingrained cultural norms and biases, the fact that you think making jokes about other people's proclivities is smart or funny.

You are, now, a decent ordinary citizen on the Clapham omnibus. A reasonable observer, asking the question - if that is hurtful, should I do this, or am I being a chav cunt?

Start again with a clean slate.

Objectively i see no problem with the joke . Thats just me being honest. I want to re-iterate and assure you though, I am not the right wing boogeyman you are looking for. I just don't fall for all this intersectionality ,victimhood hierarchy and virtue signalling. I consider myself reasonably well read on the subject ( have endeavoured to try and educate myself on the issues of our time). Im just not going to genuflect at this particular altar.

[Ellafan]

Do you actually comprehend the difference between a subjective, and an objective assessment?

Assume you are not you for a moment who you are as a biased individual, and eject all your ingrained cultural norms and biases, the fact that you think making jokes about other people's proclivities is smart or funny.

You are, now, a decent ordinary citizen on the Clapham omnibus. A reasonable observer, asking the question - if that is hurtful, should I do this, or am I being a chav cunt?

Start again with a clean slate.

Objectively i see no problem with the joke . Thats just me being honest. I want to re-iterate and assure you though, I am not the right wing boogeyman you are looking for. I just don't fall for all this intersectionality ,victimhood hierarchy and virtue signalling. I consider myself reasonably well read on the subject ( have endeavoured to try and educate myself on the issues of our time). Im just not going to genuflect at this particular altar.

I do not accept that your view is truly objective.

Perhaps we should leave it there.

[Steve]

Do you actually comprehend the difference between a subjective, and an objective assessment?

Assume you are not you for a moment who you are as a biased individual, and eject all your ingrained cultural norms and biases, the fact that you think making jokes about other people's proclivities is smart or funny.

You are, now, a decent ordinary citizen on the Clapham omnibus. A reasonable observer, asking the question - if that is hurtful, should I do this, or am I being a chav cunt?

Start again with a clean slate.

Objectively i see no problem with the joke . Thats just me being honest. I want to re-iterate and assure you though, I am not the right wing boogeyman you are looking for. I just don't fall for all this intersectionality ,victimhood hierarchy and virtue signalling. I consider myself reasonably well read on the subject ( have endeavoured to try and educate myself on the issues of our time). Im just not going to genuflect at this particular altar.

I do not accept that your view is truly objective.

Perhaps we should leave it there.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

The exact same accusation can be levelled at your stance on the issue. Who verifies or legislates for your puritanical objectivity? There is no nuance. Just you are right and I am wrong . And apparently "we" have been wrong for the last 2020 years.

[Ellafan]

Who verifies or legislates for your puritanical objectivity?

Human, compassionate decency.

I am sorry that you have been seduced by homophobic vitriol.

If it is any consolation, I do not blame you as an individual - you are a victim.

[Steve]

Who verifies or legislates for your puritanical objectivity?

Human, compassionate decency.

I am sorry that you have been seduced by homophobic vitriol.

If it is any consolation, I do not blame you as an individual - you are a victim.

It didnt take long for your veil to slip Ella.

[Ellafan]

Who verifies or legislates for your puritanical objectivity?

Human, compassionate decency.

I am sorry that you have been seduced by homophobic vitriol.

If it is any consolation, I do not blame you as an individual - you are a victim.

It didnt take long for your veil to slip Ella.

If you think I'm gay, then I'll wear that with pride. Rainbow coloured pride.

[Steve]

Human, compassionate decency.

I am sorry that you have been seduced by homophobic vitriol.

If it is any consolation, I do not blame you as an individual - you are a victim.

It didnt take long for your veil to slip Ella.

If you think I'm gay, then I'll wear that with pride. Rainbow coloured pride.

I do not , nor would I have any issue with it if you were. It was you who lowered yourself to ad hominem attacks on my character insinuating im a homophobe. The insinuation also had a strange parallel in that it assumed all trans people were gay which is a prejudice in and of itself. You have to be careful with these identity politics ella . Its quite easy to step on a landmine that one has his or herself (or whatever pronoun you want) laid .

[Ellafan]

Too late.

[Steve]

Too late.

Indeed. Hoisted by his or her( zum or zurs) own petard.

[Ellafan]

Too late.

Indeed. Hoisted by his or her( zum or zurs) own petard.

"You" have have, yes, been wrong for the last 2020 years*, to borrow your phrase. Homophobes (and antti-LGBTs) such as you should be unwelcome on any decent chat forum.

* is that 2020 year thing a reference to evangelical christian sky-fairy beliefs?

I will leave it to the moderators to show some spine on this.

[Steve]

Too late.

Indeed. Hoisted by his or her( zum or zurs) own petard.

"You" have have, yes, been wrong for the last 2020 years, to borrow your phrase. Homophobes (and antti-LGBTs) such as you should be unwelcome on any decent chat forum.

I will leave it to the moderators to show some spine on this.

Remarkable. I haven't displayed a phobe of any kind and entered into the dialogue in a conciliatory and respectful way. I think an objective (topical) arbiter would say you have conducted yourself the worse of the two of us in our conversation.

[Ellafan]

Whatever.

[Steve]

Whatever.

The internet equivalent of saying "look over there" and running away.

[Ellafan]

Whatever.

The internet equivalent of saying "look over there" and running away.

Go your way in peace. I forgive you.