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assfly wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:02 am Rhule nominated for European Player of the Year

The only Saffa* on the list.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:31 am

Blake wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:42 am Anybody been able to follow Joseph Dweba's run at Bordeaux?

Looked like such a good prospect, but he's dropped off my radar since moving to France.
Is he still playing well? Or is he getting shown up up there?

Dweba scored a try for Bordeaux on the weekend. Seems he is on the Stormers shopping list. Mbonambi off to the Sharks.


https://rugby365.com/countries/france/s ... bound-bok/

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:15 am Is that the first try he’s ever scored?? Bit of an over-reaction for flopping over untouched from 10 out.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:32 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:15 am Is that the first try he’s ever scored?? Bit of an over-reaction for flopping over untouched from 10 out.

He scored 30 tries for the Cheetahs between 2015 and 2020. Malcolm Marx scored the same amount of tries for the Lions between 2014-2019. Stormers hookers nowhere near as prolific. Dweba is a 25 year old earning over 150k euros per year. He's probably going to be the next long term Springbok hooker which is going to really infuriate some posters on here. The guy is living the dream and his celebration probably reflects his satisfaction at earning a salary 10 times what he was paid by the Cheetahs

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:22 pm

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:32 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:15 am Is that the first try he’s ever scored?? Bit of an over-reaction for flopping over untouched from 10 out.

He scored 30 tries for the Cheetahs between 2015 and 2020. Malcolm Marx scored the same amount of tries for the Lions between 2014-2019. Stormers hookers nowhere near as prolific. Dweba is a 25 year old earning over 150k euros per year. He's probably going to be the next long term Springbok hooker which is going to really infuriate some posters on here. The guy is living the dream and his celebration probably reflects his satisfaction at earning a salary 10 times what he was paid by the Cheetahs

So he celebrates like a back? Gotcha

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:15 am Is that the first try he’s ever scored?? Bit of an over-reaction for flopping over untouched from 10 out.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:52 pm I would choose Cornal Hendricks over Esterhuizen as a backup centre for the lion's tour though. He deserves it more and is less if a card risk than AE.

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:26 pm A rare start for Rob du Preez and he gets a red card for a tip tackle.

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:03 am A tale of two 12s:

Damien de Allende man of the match for Munster against Leinster.

AE gets his second red card of the season for Quins. Incredibly harsh call by the ref in my opinion, but will definitely do his Bok chances no good.

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:45 am

He hit him in the head with his forearm/elbow, red all day long

And you wonder why people call you one eyed

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:50 am

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:45 am

He hit him in the head with his forearm/elbow, red all day long

And you wonder why people call you one eyed

Nonsense, it was a shove like the several others that were happening at the same time. Barely a penalty.

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:50 am

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:45 am

He hit him in the head with his forearm/elbow, red all day long

And you wonder why people call you one eyed

Nonsense, it was a shove like the several others that were happening at the same time. Barely a penalty.

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:55 am He's a bit of a hothead (always has been) and I like the fact that Rassie and Nienaber have a zero tolerance policy on that.
We don't need to push as shove and get involved in handbags. Rather focus that aggression into a couple of LEGAL tackles and soften up the opposition.
Let the refs, and ARs, and TMO and citing officials deal with the other nonsense.

It's all about controlled aggression and not being a liability to the team. At Premiership level you can maybe still get away with it from time to time, but at international level the margins are too small. Red cards are game breakers 19/20 times.

AE might be playing well for Quins, but given his penchant for loosing his cool, I'd have DDA and even Hendricks ahead of him in the pecking order if I'm being honest.
Hendricks might be 90% the talent AE is, but he's a fighter (Rassie likes players that have overcome personal adversity) and he isn't as big of a liability when it comes to on field discipline.

(watch the mockers gods punish me with Hendricks getting a red card in a future match and this post being quoted at me )

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:55 am

assfly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:50 am

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:45 am

He hit him in the head with his forearm/elbow, red all day long

And you wonder why people call you one eyed

Nonsense, it was a shove like the several others that were happening at the same time. Barely a penalty.

He's a bit of a hothead (always has been) and I like the fact that Rassie and Nienaber have a zero tolerance policy on that.
We don't need to push as shove and get involved in handbags. Rather focus that aggression into a couple of LEGAL tackles and soften up the opposition.
Let the refs, and ARs, and TMO and citing officials deal with the other nonsense.

It's all about controlled aggression and not being a liability to the team. At Premiership level you can maybe still get away with it from time to time, but at international level the margins are too small. Red cards are game breakers 19/20 times.

AE might be playing well for Quins, but given his penchant for loosing his cool, I'd have DDA and even Hendricks ahead of him in the pecking order if I'm being honest.
Hendricks might be 90% the talent AE is, but he's a fighter (Rassie likes players that have overcome personal adversity) and he isn't as big of a liability when it comes to on field discipline.

(watch the mockers gods punish me with Hendricks getting a red card in a future match and this post being quoted at me )

assfly wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:05 am

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:55 am He's a bit of a hothead (always has been) and I like the fact that Rassie and Nienaber have a zero tolerance policy on that.
We don't need to push as shove and get involved in handbags. Rather focus that aggression into a couple of LEGAL tackles and soften up the opposition.
Let the refs, and ARs, and TMO and citing officials deal with the other nonsense.

It's all about controlled aggression and not being a liability to the team. At Premiership level you can maybe still get away with it from time to time, but at international level the margins are too small. Red cards are game breakers 19/20 times.

AE might be playing well for Quins, but given his penchant for loosing his cool, I'd have DDA and even Hendricks ahead of him in the pecking order if I'm being honest.
Hendricks might be 90% the talent AE is, but he's a fighter (Rassie likes players that have overcome personal adversity) and he isn't as big of a liability when it comes to on field discipline.

(watch the mockers gods punish me with Hendricks getting a red card in a future match and this post being quoted at me )

I get what your saying, and regardless of my thoughts on the incident he will have done his Bok ambitious some serious damage.

But it was still a very harsh red. Hearing was yesterday so will be interesting to see what they come back with.

Sards wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:11 am

assfly wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:05 am

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:55 am He's a bit of a hothead (always has been) and I like the fact that Rassie and Nienaber have a zero tolerance policy on that.
We don't need to push as shove and get involved in handbags. Rather focus that aggression into a couple of LEGAL tackles and soften up the opposition.
Let the refs, and ARs, and TMO and citing officials deal with the other nonsense.

It's all about controlled aggression and not being a liability to the team. At Premiership level you can maybe still get away with it from time to time, but at international level the margins are too small. Red cards are game breakers 19/20 times.

AE might be playing well for Quins, but given his penchant for loosing his cool, I'd have DDA and even Hendricks ahead of him in the pecking order if I'm being honest.
Hendricks might be 90% the talent AE is, but he's a fighter (Rassie likes players that have overcome personal adversity) and he isn't as big of a liability when it comes to on field discipline.

(watch the mockers gods punish me with Hendricks getting a red card in a future match and this post being quoted at me )

I get what your saying, and regardless of my thoughts on the incident he will have done his Bok ambitious some serious damage.

But it was still a very harsh red. Hearing was yesterday so will be interesting to see what they come back with.

I honestly couldn't believe that was a red or even a card

Sards wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:10 am De Allende has been red carded in a Springbok match. Its what we expect of our centers. De Allende has been quiet this year. Only waking up now that the BIL tour is on

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:22 am Players like AE will be a dying breed if they can't learn to channel their aggression and keep a cool head when they get riled up.

assfly wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:33 am

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:22 am Players like AE will be a dying breed if they can't learn to channel their aggression and keep a cool head when they get riled up.

AE's disciplinary record is centered more around his tackle technique than getting into fights. That's what his red card earlier in the season was for, like so many we're seeing dished out every weekend at the moment.

The incident on Saturday didn't even start with him, he went in to pull players off each other and the London Irish player took exception and things escalated. He wasn't helped by an extremely pedantic referee who taking personal offence to everything that happened on the pitch.

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:35 am Nah, I've been an AE hater for a while now.

His tackling technique has been problematic in the past yes, but he loves a good scuffle and getting in a couple of cheap shots when they are on offer.

Yes, people can grow and change, but AE has had a temper and lack of control since his junior days. Racist undertones aside, he has always had discipline and control issues since I've been following his career.

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:01 pm That wasn't my point. I'm sure many people grow and change their views as they mature. I know I have, so I'm not going to judge somebody based on a Tweet or statement or incident from 10+ years ago. I wasn't referring to his views as a teenager per se, but more his history of hotheaded behavior and outbursts from a young age.

AE just seems like one of those players that will forever be a loose cannon and liability. Jannie du Plessis, James Dalton, James Small, Bakkies Botha, Reinhardt Elstadt...they all fall into that category for me.

As a fan and student of the game, I've always been partial to intelligent and disciplined players.
In my opinion those types of players are VERY rarely worth the overall liability they pose to the team, regardless of how physically gifted they might be.

With the referees becoming more and more strict, and TMO's becoming more involved in making calls on the field, their days are becoming numbered.
I'm glad when I see Itoje or Lavanini on an opposition team sheet. It's a couple of penalties in the bank and there's a good chance for a card as well.
I don't want any such players in my team.

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:01 pm That wasn't my point. I'm sure many people grow and change their views as they mature. I know I have, so I'm not going to judge somebody based on a Tweet or statement or incident from 10+ years ago. I wasn't referring to his views as a teenager per se, but more his history of hotheaded behavior and outbursts from a young age.

AE just seems like one of those players that will forever be a loose cannon and liability. Jannie du Plessis, James Dalton, James Small, Bakkies Botha, Reinhardt Elstadt...they all fall into that category for me.

As a fan and student of the game, I've always been partial to intelligent and disciplined players.
In my opinion those types of players are VERY rarely worth the overall liability they pose to the team, regardless of how physically gifted they might be.

With the referees becoming more and more strict, and TMO's becoming more involved in making calls on the field, their days are becoming numbered.
I'm glad when I see Itoje or Lavanini on an opposition team sheet. It's a couple of penalties in the bank and there's a good chance for a card as well.
I don't want any such players in my team.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:26 pm I am still waiting for Eben Etsebeth to lose it and head butt some one. Maybe when he get a bit older but its going to happen.

handyman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:20 pm For a bit of context :

Botha doesn’t even make the top three transgressors in Springboks rugby, with Habana (seven yellow cards), Schalk Burger (six) and Victor Matfield (five) ahead of him.

Botha and fellow Bulls and Bok lock Flip van der Merwe were carded four times each in their international careers.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:26 pm I am still waiting for Eben Etsebeth to lose it and head butt some one. Maybe when he get a bit older but its going to happen.

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:12 pm

handyman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:20 pm For a bit of context :

Botha doesn’t even make the top three transgressors in Springboks rugby, with Habana (seven yellow cards), Schalk Burger (six) and Victor Matfield (five) ahead of him.

Botha and fellow Bulls and Bok lock Flip van der Merwe were carded four times each in their international careers.

All of those players (including Bakkies which I mentioned in my list) were worth their risks on the field. I didn't really consider any of them "hotheads" that lost their tempers in stupid moments.

Burger: His eye gouge will mar his career, but he wasn't a dirty player. It was a one-off IMO. He was reckless with his body and those of his opponents, but wasn't prone to fights or outbursts on the field. He just played to the razor's edge like a wild animal and was well respected by his opponents; on and off the field.

Habana: Most of his yellows were for intentional knock-ons (going for intercepts) and aerial challenges that went wrong. No fights or cheap shots that I can recall.

Bakkies was a massive wind-up merchant that took some cheap shots. He was a clever player though and knew how to get away with his antics most of the time and also didn't concede a to of penalties.

Matfield's record is surprising. I didn't realise he had this many, and don't recall any of them. But I can't recall many fights, or scuffles that he got involved in. I suspect many would be for high tackles or maul collapses etc.


In that golden era of Bok rugby, the players I can think of that fit my classification of unnecessary penalty magnets are Flip vd Merwe, Butch James, Dean Greyling...
I have zero patience for players like those that stifle a team's momentum through brainless aggression.

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:18 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:26 pm I am still waiting for Eben Etsebeth to lose it and head butt some one. Maybe when he get a bit older but its going to happen.

Nah, it's all an act. I have no doubt he is capable, but he is much more composed than many give him credit for.

He knows his role is to be a magnet for opposition enforcers to try and rile him up thinking he is a loose cannon, but he isn't.

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:11 am

Sards wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:11 am

assfly wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:05 am

I get what your saying, and regardless of my thoughts on the incident he will have done his Bok ambitious some serious damage.

But it was still a very harsh red. Hearing was yesterday so will be interesting to see what they come back with.

I honestly couldn't believe that was a red or even a card

Ja it must be tough watching rugby with 1 eye closed

Blake wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:22 am

Sards wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:10 am De Allende has been red carded in a Springbok match. Its what we expect of our centers. De Allende has been quiet this year. Only waking up now that the BIL tour is on

a. That was in 2017 under a different coaching team with a different team culture.
b. The Red card was rescinded by the citing commission as a mistake by the referee.


Comparing the disciplinary records of DDA and AE is farcical. It's like James Dalton and John Smit. Smit might have received the odd card over the span of his career, but he wasn't a serial transgressor.

Players like AE will be a dying breed if they can't learn to channel their aggression and keep a cool head when they get riled up.

Fangle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:20 pm Didn’t Bismark have a reputation of red cards? Or am I confused.