NPR

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:54 am Yes Dan, I’m sure the rest of us have imagined the last few years of poor play, lack of tactics, bad selections and loss of standards while Jason Ryan, having been tapped on the shoulder by NZR in the expectation that he will step up and help the national game at a time of turmoil, would put aside any fear of repercussion should he refuse and joyfully embrace the opportunity to work with a guy who you and you alone are hellbent on defending.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:04 am I wonder if we'll see some improved physicality from the forwards now that Plumtree's gone?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:04 am I wonder if we'll see some improved physicality from the forwards now that Plumtree's gone?

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:29 am

lemonhead wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:16 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:12 pm

Plumtree was a forwards coach for Schmidt, when he was coaching Ireland !

I wouldn't hold Schmidt out as a Messiah for NZ, but there are certainly things he can do, to fix some of the obvious current problems.

He got Ireland's defense, as good as it is, & he is brilliant at providing organization, so players know where to be, & what to do; & also working with the younger players, telling them what they need to work on.

The problem is that he is too OCD, & when it comes to attack, his sides become too predictable, & that was his Ireland teams downfall.

Don't think Leinster did? Always felt he took on the national team job, went through one failed world cup cycle and later adopted a style he thought utilised and complemented Irish player strengths while mitigating any weaknesses. Side effect was a fairly strict gameplan but it won us a slam, a SH series, a repeat defeat of NZ and possibly our best ever RWC showing had tournament been a year earlier.

Farrell & Catt subsequently evolved from there, learning directly from his mistakes but I wonder if removed from top job you'd see the same result here in the short term.

My guess is not, and at any rate Razor would probably be in charge well before that ever came to pass even if it did. You wonder with the political shite whether he'd want top job again, sounds like an effin mare if things turn sour.

Leinster had the Nacewa ace-in-the-hole. Ireland didn't. People forget just how reliant Leinster were on the miracle plays Nacewa used to come up with at a time when BOD and D'Arcy were in decline.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:04 am I wonder if we'll see some improved physicality from the forwards now that Plumtree's gone?

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:53 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:52 pm So what was the Ioane/Marshall incident about?

Two mouthy fucktards colliding like distant galaxies with a massive release of energy and gas the only result.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:04 am I wonder if we'll see some improved physicality from the forwards now that Plumtree's gone?

Certain Navigator wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:53 am

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:04 am I wonder if we'll see some improved physicality from the forwards now that Plumtree's gone?

Hopefully, but the bigger problem is that the AB backline is totally dysfunctional. And as long as BB stays at 10, it's unlikely to improve, no matter how many coaches are sacked or appointed.

Chilli wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:37 am Why all the hatred towards Beauden Barret?
Or is the general feeling that Moanga is just better?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:55 am

Chilli wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:37 am Why all the hatred towards Beauden Barret?
Or is the general feeling that Moanga is just better?

Yes. Although he's never actually shown that he's better when given the starts, despite 22 of them.

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:53 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:52 pm So what was the Ioane/Marshall incident about?

Two mouthy fucktards colliding like distant galaxies with a massive release of energy and gas the only result.

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:20 pm I think people are forgetting the elephant in the room... Foster may be stealing Razor's assistants... but Foster is still in charge... so not a lot will change...

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:51 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:20 pm I think people are forgetting the elephant in the room... Foster may be stealing Razor's assistants... but Foster is still in charge... so not a lot will change...

I’m not sure about that. I’d say as part of it Fozzie will be less hands on, or more ignored, and this might provide a boost to the team.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:51 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:20 pm I think people are forgetting the elephant in the room... Foster may be stealing Razor's assistants... but Foster is still in charge... so not a lot will change...

I’m not sure about that. I’d say as part of it Fozzie will be less hands on, or more ignored, and this might provide a boost to the team.

Chilli wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:38 am

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:55 am

Chilli wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:37 am Why all the hatred towards Beauden Barret?
Or is the general feeling that Moanga is just better?

Yes. Although he's never actually shown that he's better when given the starts, despite 22 of them.

So it is because he is excellent when playing for an outstanding Crusaders team?

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:20 am ... I wonder if NZR are aware that the quality of the assistant coaches at the Crusaders reflects the quality of (Scott Robertson) and his ability to create then manage the coaching team. Do they really think that the same structure exists under FFF?

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:43 pm Plums available for the $hark$ again

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:04 pm Thank god there's no chance of Plumtree ever succeeding Foster now. If Ryan throws his hat in the ring one day, will he nominate Razor to be one of his assistants?

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:20 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:51 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:20 pm I think people are forgetting the elephant in the room... Foster may be stealing Razor's assistants... but Foster is still in charge... so not a lot will change...

I’m not sure about that. I’d say as part of it Fozzie will be less hands on, or more ignored, and this might provide a boost to the team.

Foster is being indulged by NZR at this stage. Throwing Ryan into it is messy as he isn’t Foster’s pick, otherwise he’d have been approached before now, so while NZR are giving Foster every chance when others may have been let go, they’ve mishandled that by adding a potentially disruptive influence… and while Ryan is no doubt a professional who will go about his task he’s going to be compromised in how much he can do by having to jump into someone else’s set up under a coach he may not have planned on working for.



It’s another serving of Dog’s Breakfast from K9 Control.

Dan54 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:20 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:04 pm Thank god there's no chance of Plumtree ever succeeding Foster now. If Ryan throws his hat in the ring one day, will he nominate Razor to be one of his assistants?

I reckon this is helping set up fot Razor , when he get's the gig after WC, he will have Ryan already with experience etc there with him. I know there is a strong dislike for having plans in place and coaches seemingly having inside running, but I think there is a fairly big hint in Rangi getting the ABs XV, he is seen as someone who will go somewhere to, and will get an assistant gig with Razor, or if Razor didn't stand would get the head job?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:45 pm

Dan54 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:20 pm

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:04 pm Thank god there's no chance of Plumtree ever succeeding Foster now. If Ryan throws his hat in the ring one day, will he nominate Razor to be one of his assistants?

I reckon this is helping set up fot Razor , when he get's the gig after WC, he will have Ryan already with experience etc there with him. I know there is a strong dislike for having plans in place and coaches seemingly having inside running, but I think there is a fairly big hint in Rangi getting the ABs XV, he is seen as someone who will go somewhere to, and will get an assistant gig with Razor, or if Razor didn't stand would get the head job?

Yeah, my question was just tongue in cheek really. I'd be delighted if Razor and/or Rangi are being lined up for the gig after the RWC. Would be a huge improvement on NZR's likely Foster > Plumtree/Mooar/McLeod succession plan of two weeks ago. Fingers crossed!

Dan54 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:15 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:43 pm Plums available for the $hark$ again

Didn't thay sack him a few years back?

Scott Robertson: Crusaders coach reveals reason for Eddie Jones meeting
Date published: July 26 2022 - Dylan Coetzee

Crusaders coach Scott Robertson has explained why he met up with England coach Eddie Jones in Australia before the third Test against the Wallabies and outlined his ambitions for the future.

Robertson has been a name in the mix to succeed Jones, but it may be unlikely, with the Rugby Football Union claiming earlier this year that an Englishman would be preferred.

Options open

The 47-year-old realised after not being selected as All Blacks coach that it is important to keep options open and acknowledged that he cannot stay at the Crusaders forever.

“ Look, I caught up with Eddie but it wasn’t anything to do with the job, it was more, well he texted me. We have a good relationship and he is always watching rugby and stuff, so I just caught up with him briefly and had a chat,” Robertson said on the Big Jim Show.

“My best mate lives over there and I went to the game with him, took the wife over, and it was just a great experience, it was good to get away to Sydney for the weekend.

“Look, what I learned from last time, especially around the All Blacks stuff, is you have to keep your options open. It’s a professional game and I’m probably a little more clearly focused.

“It’s one job (All Blacks coach) and when someone doesn’t give it to you you have to think differently, what opportunities are out there? I’ll be coming into my seventh year as the Crusaders coach next year, I have loved it all, it has been incredible but no one last in a job forever so I am open. It’s probably the way I can answer it.

“If New Zealand Rugby want me, great. If there is another club, country, probably country, I wouldn’t go to a club now. I really want to go Rugby World Cup, I genuinely want to go to a couple.

“I’m 47, I’ll be 52 by the time the next Rugby World Cup comes around (Australia 2027 after France next year). I want to get to two or three and test myself, push myself. I am open (to offers), yeah.”

Huge ambition

Robertson showed huge ambition as he outlined a goal to win the World Cup with two different countries.

“I want to win Rugby World Cup but I want to win it with two different countries. I haven’t said it publicly before but it would transcend,” he said.

“It would be great to win a World Cup with your own country which I want to do, that is the foremost thing, but I would love to do it with another country. I’m not sure what order it is. I’m not sure how that plays out, those decisions are not mine. They are somebody else’s decisions but I would love to win two and have a different expectation, different culture.

“You have got to adapt to the country that you are coaching and get the best out of them. It’s when someone goes, ‘How did he do that? That is pretty special. He won seven championships with his club and then gone away and done that’. People will go, ‘Okay, he has got the group, the players will play for him’.”

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:31 pm Well that's a definite "Come and get me boys!"

Or, it's a big message to NZRU to get him signed up after this world cup.

How long is Fosters contract? Is it beyond the world cup?

convoluted wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:56 pm I've mentioned before how it could be said that it was Graham Henry who ultimately spiked Robertson.
Henry was the only actual coach or former coach on the panel of half a dozen or so who adjudged between Foster and Robertson, and as such his say would have carried most weight.

Should Henry have even been on the panel? Would he decide in the best interests of NZ Rugby or would he want a continuation of the 'dynasty' he had founded? Would he harbor fears that that legacy might well be swept away and forgotten almost overnight should Robertson excel? And during the interview would the youthful exuberance of Robertson automatically grate the gravitas of the septuagenarian Henry?