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Official statement from Public Health England:

"Due to a delay in processing England deaths data, the deaths figures for England and UK have not been updated. These will be updated as soon as possible."

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:24 pm

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:14 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:24 pm

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Since we have been in lockdown for a week now surely the vast majority of those cases will have been caught post lockdown? So it begs the question how effective lockdown is as a tool for controlling the spread???

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:24 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:14 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:24 pm

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Since we have been in lockdown for a week now surely the vast majority of those cases will have been caught post lockdown? So it begs the question how effective lockdown is as a tool for controlling the spread???

No not really givent that the incubation period is thought to be three to 14 days.

Especially if the symproms are mild initially until you decide to get tested after a few more days say 3 days.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:57 pm Also, if every person who caught it the week before lockdown infects two other people in their household, then it keeps going up for a week or two.

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:53 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:24 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:14 pm

Since we have been in lockdown for a week now surely the vast majority of those cases will have been caught post lockdown? So it begs the question how effective lockdown is as a tool for controlling the spread???

No not really givent that the incubation period is thought to be three to 14 days.

Especially if the symproms are mild initially until you decide to get tested after a few more days say 3 days.

3-5 days is very much the norm 14 days a massive outlier. Even so a jump like that is a bit mystifying.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:57 pm Also, if every person who caught it the week before lockdown infects two other people in their household, then it keeps going up for a week or two.

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:14 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:24 pm

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Since we have been in lockdown for a week now surely the vast majority of those cases will have been caught post lockdown? So it begs the question how effective lockdown is as a tool for controlling the spread???

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:57 pm Also, if every person who caught it the week before lockdown infects two other people in their household, then it keeps going up for a week or two.

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:42 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:57 pm Also, if every person who caught it the week before lockdown infects two other people in their household, then it keeps going up for a week or two.

Fair point! It makes trying to extract meaningful data almost impossible.

The Government’s accounts are in much better shape than forecast with the deficit almost half what was predicted.

Treasury has released the Government’s accounts for the three months to September 30, 2020. They show smaller deficits and lower debt than forecast just months ago.

The main reason is that a better economy has more people spending and paying taxes, meaning that there’s more revenue flowing into the Government's coffers.

That better economy also means there are fewer people and businesses needing support, so the Government is spending less.

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:42 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:57 pm Also, if every person who caught it the week before lockdown infects two other people in their household, then it keeps going up for a week or two.

Fair point! It makes trying to extract meaningful data almost impossible.

Ted. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:07 pm Lockdowns are terrible things. They're extremely bad for the economy. Wicked wicked lockdowns are the worst thing we could possibly do to fight this virus.

The Government’s accounts are in much better shape than forecast with the deficit almost half what was predicted.

Treasury has released the Government’s accounts for the three months to September 30, 2020. They show smaller deficits and lower debt than forecast just months ago.

The main reason is that a better economy has more people spending and paying taxes, meaning that there’s more revenue flowing into the Government's coffers.

That better economy also means there are fewer people and businesses needing support, so the Government is spending less.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... der-budget

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:50 pm The successful NZ strategy of dealing with Covid in a country that didn’t have Covid..... bravo.

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:42 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:57 pm Also, if every person who caught it the week before lockdown infects two other people in their household, then it keeps going up for a week or two.

Fair point! It makes trying to extract meaningful data almost impossible.

Coronavirus: Safety officials had 'political' pressure to approve PPE

Britain's safety watchdog felt leaned on by the government to make factually incorrect statements about PPE suits bought for NHS staff earlier in the Covid-19 pandemic, the BBC has found.

Emails reveal how the Health and Safety Executive said protective suits, bought by the government in April, had not been tested to the correct standard.

But the emails describe "political" pressure to approve them for use.

The government said all PPE is "quality assured" and only sent out if safe.

Early on in the pandemic, the NHS experienced severe shortages of personal protective equipment, known as PPE. As the country woke up to the lethal threat of Covid-19, there was a scramble to secure gloves, overalls and masks for NHS staff.

The shortage was so drastic that some hospital staff were even pictured at the time wearing bin bags.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:50 pm The successful NZ strategy of dealing with Covid in a country that didn’t have Covid..... bravo.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:49 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:50 pm The successful NZ strategy of dealing with Covid in a country that didn’t have Covid..... bravo.

A very good descriptive of making something happen - rather than letting it happen.

Glaston wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:44 am Covid Testing:
Negative
then Positive
then negative on retests


all within 10 days

Semi Radrada

Ted. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:14 am BTW, the post was more a commentary for those NZer's who persistently insisted our strategy was wrong, bad and idiotic and that we should immediately open up for business.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:53 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:14 am BTW, the post was more a commentary for those NZer's who persistently insisted our strategy was wrong, bad and idiotic and that we should immediately open up for business.

What’s the NZ situation/timeline on securing vaccines?

Ie when there will be sufficient deployed to open the borders again.

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:12 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:53 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:14 am BTW, the post was more a commentary for those NZer's who persistently insisted our strategy was wrong, bad and idiotic and that we should immediately open up for business.

What’s the NZ situation/timeline on securing vaccines?

Ie when there will be sufficient deployed to open the borders again.

NZ getting 1.5 million doses of Pfizer, some point in Q1 next year. So that's 750,000 immunised. Nothing else agreed yet AFAIK, and assuming eveyrthing's 90% successful then they're going to need to get somewhere around 3.6 million people immunized. So closed borders for NZ till next Christmas then

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:12 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:53 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:14 am BTW, the post was more a commentary for those NZer's who persistently insisted our strategy was wrong, bad and idiotic and that we should immediately open up for business.

What’s the NZ situation/timeline on securing vaccines?

Ie when there will be sufficient deployed to open the borders again.

NZ getting 1.5 million doses of Pfizer, some point in Q1 next year. So that's 750,000 immunised. Nothing else agreed yet AFAIK, and assuming eveyrthing's 90% successful then they're going to need to get somewhere around 3.6 million people immunized. So closed borders for NZ till next Christmas then

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:56 am NHS Nurses getting the shits because they have been warned to expect to work 7 days a week over Xmas period to dispense Covid vaccine.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:12 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:56 am NHS Nurses getting the shits because they have been warned to expect to work 7 days a week over Xmas period to dispense Covid vaccine.

Being told ,by Politicians who will be on holidays a couple of weeks at that stage, & who plan on being on holidays when Brexit happens.

Ted. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:40 am

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:12 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:53 am

What’s the NZ situation/timeline on securing vaccines?

Ie when there will be sufficient deployed to open the borders again.

NZ getting 1.5 million doses of Pfizer, some point in Q1 next year. So that's 750,000 immunised. Nothing else agreed yet AFAIK, and assuming eveyrthing's 90% successful then they're going to need to get somewhere around 3.6 million people immunized. So closed borders for NZ till next Christmas then

IIRC, Pfizer is not the only vaccine supply agreement we have.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:12 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:56 am NHS Nurses getting the shits because they have been warned to expect to work 7 days a week over Xmas period to dispense Covid vaccine.

Being told ,by Politicians who will be on holidays a couple of weeks at that stage, & who plan on being on holidays when Brexit happens.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:23 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:12 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:56 am NHS Nurses getting the shits because they have been warned to expect to work 7 days a week over Xmas period to dispense Covid vaccine.

Being told ,by Politicians who will be on holidays a couple of weeks at that stage, & who plan on being on holidays when Brexit happens.

Of course many nurses have already worked far beyond their ordinary patterns throughout this crisis and must be pretty close to complete burnout.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:28 pm R rate between 1 and 1.2 in UK. Will the lockdown be lifted on 2 Dec?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:33 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:23 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:12 pm

Being told ,by Politicians who will be on holidays a couple of weeks at that stage, & who plan on being on holidays when Brexit happens.

Of course many nurses have already worked far beyond their ordinary patterns throughout this crisis and must be pretty close to complete burnout.

All that clapping in the Summer didn't help them? Lazy tarts.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:28 pm R rate between 1 and 1.2 in UK. Will the lockdown be lifted on 2 Dec?