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Any nutjob lobbying group can now do an end-run around the government and ask the SCOTUS to rule in their favour in determining policy. Fucking weird.Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:12 pm Although what this is really about is ensuring corporate interests can't be regulated by Government agencies, this was just the Trojan Horse.
Biffer wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:20 pmYou’ve got to think that parts of the Northeast and the West Coast will eventually think fuck this, let’s take our money and leave the rednecks to fuck their cousins.Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:02 pmCivil War 2 is probably actually underway as we watch the loose collection of completely different jurisdictions called the United States drift ever further apart.
Congresswoman Liz Cheney, vice-chair of the congressional panel investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, has warned that former president Donald Trump represents “a domestic threat that we have never faced before”.
Cheney, the daughter of former vice-president Dick Cheney, told fellow Republicans that it was impossible to be loyal to both Trump and the American constitution.
The Wyoming congresswoman, ostracized by much of her party, was speaking on Wednesday at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, a day after the January 6 committee’s latest explosive hearing.
“At this moment, we are confronting a domestic threat that we have never faced before,” Cheney told the audience. “And that is a former president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic. And he is aided by Republican leaders and elected officials who have made themselves willing hostages to this dangerous and irrational man.”
The 55-year-old noted that some in her party were embracing Trump and enabling his lies while others are choosing to look the other way because it is the easier path. “One need only look at the threats that are facing the witnesses who’ve come before the January 6 committee to understand the nature and the magnitude of that threat.
“But to argue that the threat posed by Donald Trump can be ignored is to cast aside the responsibility that every citizen – every one of us – bears to perpetuate the republic. We must not do that, and we cannot do that.”
The six hearings of the House of Representatives’ January 6 committee so far have pointed the finger at Trump for encouraging an armed mob of supporters to march on the US Capitol in an effort to slow and stop the counting of electoral votes. The president’s own top aides told him there was no evidence of widespread fraud in Joe Biden’s victory.
“It has become clear that the efforts Donald Trump oversaw and engaged in were even more chilling and more threatening than we could have imagined,” Cheney said. “As we have shown, Donald Trump attempted to overturn the presidential election. He attempted to stay in office and to prevent the transfer of presidential power.”
She added: “It’s undeniable. It’s also painful for Republicans to accept and I think we all have to recognize and understand what it means to say those words, and what it means that those things happened. But the reality that we face today as Republicans, as we think about the choice in front of us – we have to choose. Because Republicans cannot both be loyal to Donald Trump and loyal to the constitution. We must choose.”
Cheney praised Cassidy Hutchinson, a 25-year-old former aide to the former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, who on Tuesday told the House panel that Trump knew the mob was armed and asked for metal detectors be removed, as well as lunging at a Secret Service agent’s throat as he demanded to be driven to the Capitol.
“Her superiors – men many years older – a number of them are hiding behind executive privilege, anonymity and intimidation. But her bravery and patriotism yesterday were awesome to behold. Little girls all across this great nation are seeing what it really means to love this country and what it really means to be a patriot.”
Cheney’s remarks gained cheers and applause but she looks set to pay a heavy political price for her eviscerations of Trump. After being ousted from party leadership in the House, censured by the Republican National Committee and no longer recognised by her state party, she is facing a showdown in a 16 August Republican primary in Wyoming.
Harriet Hageman, her Trump-endorsed challenger, responded to Cheney’s speech with a statement that said: “Liz Cheney is the last one who should be giving lectures about the future of the Republican party when she is singlehandedly trying to burn it to the ground.
“Cheney is using Wyoming’s only House seat to further her own personal war on President Trump, while helping Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats achieve their own political goals at the same time. She’s doing more to help the future of the Democratic party than anything else.”
Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:22 am Liz Cheney has come out guns blazing...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... epublicans
Congresswoman Liz Cheney, vice-chair of the congressional panel investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, has warned that former president Donald Trump represents “a domestic threat that we have never faced before”.
Cheney, the daughter of former vice-president Dick Cheney, told fellow Republicans that it was impossible to be loyal to both Trump and the American constitution.
The Wyoming congresswoman, ostracized by much of her party, was speaking on Wednesday at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, a day after the January 6 committee’s latest explosive hearing.
“At this moment, we are confronting a domestic threat that we have never faced before,” Cheney told the audience. “And that is a former president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic. And he is aided by Republican leaders and elected officials who have made themselves willing hostages to this dangerous and irrational man.”
The 55-year-old noted that some in her party were embracing Trump and enabling his lies while others are choosing to look the other way because it is the easier path. “One need only look at the threats that are facing the witnesses who’ve come before the January 6 committee to understand the nature and the magnitude of that threat.
“But to argue that the threat posed by Donald Trump can be ignored is to cast aside the responsibility that every citizen – every one of us – bears to perpetuate the republic. We must not do that, and we cannot do that.”
The six hearings of the House of Representatives’ January 6 committee so far have pointed the finger at Trump for encouraging an armed mob of supporters to march on the US Capitol in an effort to slow and stop the counting of electoral votes. The president’s own top aides told him there was no evidence of widespread fraud in Joe Biden’s victory.
“It has become clear that the efforts Donald Trump oversaw and engaged in were even more chilling and more threatening than we could have imagined,” Cheney said. “As we have shown, Donald Trump attempted to overturn the presidential election. He attempted to stay in office and to prevent the transfer of presidential power.”
She added: “It’s undeniable. It’s also painful for Republicans to accept and I think we all have to recognize and understand what it means to say those words, and what it means that those things happened. But the reality that we face today as Republicans, as we think about the choice in front of us – we have to choose. Because Republicans cannot both be loyal to Donald Trump and loyal to the constitution. We must choose.”
Cheney praised Cassidy Hutchinson, a 25-year-old former aide to the former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, who on Tuesday told the House panel that Trump knew the mob was armed and asked for metal detectors be removed, as well as lunging at a Secret Service agent’s throat as he demanded to be driven to the Capitol.
“Her superiors – men many years older – a number of them are hiding behind executive privilege, anonymity and intimidation. But her bravery and patriotism yesterday were awesome to behold. Little girls all across this great nation are seeing what it really means to love this country and what it really means to be a patriot.”
Cheney’s remarks gained cheers and applause but she looks set to pay a heavy political price for her eviscerations of Trump. After being ousted from party leadership in the House, censured by the Republican National Committee and no longer recognised by her state party, she is facing a showdown in a 16 August Republican primary in Wyoming.
Harriet Hageman, her Trump-endorsed challenger, responded to Cheney’s speech with a statement that said: “Liz Cheney is the last one who should be giving lectures about the future of the Republican party when she is singlehandedly trying to burn it to the ground.
“Cheney is using Wyoming’s only House seat to further her own personal war on President Trump, while helping Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats achieve their own political goals at the same time. She’s doing more to help the future of the Democratic party than anything else.”
Not so sure - in the televised debate a few days back she was clearly the only adult in the room, and the only one capable of stringing a sentence together. She might just hold on to the GOP nomination.Wilson's Toffee wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:56 amGuy Smiley wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:22 am Liz Cheney has come out guns blazing...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... epublicans
Congresswoman Liz Cheney, vice-chair of the congressional panel investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, has warned that former president Donald Trump represents “a domestic threat that we have never faced before”.
Cheney, the daughter of former vice-president Dick Cheney, told fellow Republicans that it was impossible to be loyal to both Trump and the American constitution.
The Wyoming congresswoman, ostracized by much of her party, was speaking on Wednesday at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, a day after the January 6 committee’s latest explosive hearing.
“At this moment, we are confronting a domestic threat that we have never faced before,” Cheney told the audience. “And that is a former president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic. And he is aided by Republican leaders and elected officials who have made themselves willing hostages to this dangerous and irrational man.”
The 55-year-old noted that some in her party were embracing Trump and enabling his lies while others are choosing to look the other way because it is the easier path. “One need only look at the threats that are facing the witnesses who’ve come before the January 6 committee to understand the nature and the magnitude of that threat.
“But to argue that the threat posed by Donald Trump can be ignored is to cast aside the responsibility that every citizen – every one of us – bears to perpetuate the republic. We must not do that, and we cannot do that.”
The six hearings of the House of Representatives’ January 6 committee so far have pointed the finger at Trump for encouraging an armed mob of supporters to march on the US Capitol in an effort to slow and stop the counting of electoral votes. The president’s own top aides told him there was no evidence of widespread fraud in Joe Biden’s victory.
“It has become clear that the efforts Donald Trump oversaw and engaged in were even more chilling and more threatening than we could have imagined,” Cheney said. “As we have shown, Donald Trump attempted to overturn the presidential election. He attempted to stay in office and to prevent the transfer of presidential power.”
She added: “It’s undeniable. It’s also painful for Republicans to accept and I think we all have to recognize and understand what it means to say those words, and what it means that those things happened. But the reality that we face today as Republicans, as we think about the choice in front of us – we have to choose. Because Republicans cannot both be loyal to Donald Trump and loyal to the constitution. We must choose.”
Cheney praised Cassidy Hutchinson, a 25-year-old former aide to the former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, who on Tuesday told the House panel that Trump knew the mob was armed and asked for metal detectors be removed, as well as lunging at a Secret Service agent’s throat as he demanded to be driven to the Capitol.
“Her superiors – men many years older – a number of them are hiding behind executive privilege, anonymity and intimidation. But her bravery and patriotism yesterday were awesome to behold. Little girls all across this great nation are seeing what it really means to love this country and what it really means to be a patriot.”
Cheney’s remarks gained cheers and applause but she looks set to pay a heavy political price for her eviscerations of Trump. After being ousted from party leadership in the House, censured by the Republican National Committee and no longer recognised by her state party, she is facing a showdown in a 16 August Republican primary in Wyoming.
Harriet Hageman, her Trump-endorsed challenger, responded to Cheney’s speech with a statement that said: “Liz Cheney is the last one who should be giving lectures about the future of the Republican party when she is singlehandedly trying to burn it to the ground.
“Cheney is using Wyoming’s only House seat to further her own personal war on President Trump, while helping Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats achieve their own political goals at the same time. She’s doing more to help the future of the Democratic party than anything else.”
A last, desperate struggle before her constituency kicks the flabby assed RINO under her flabby butt....and she knows it !
I've seen that floating around where someone's responded to him with "Room temperature IQ on you, buddy."
Wilson's Toffee wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:56 am
A last, desperate struggle before her constituency kicks the flabby assed RINO under her flabby butt....and she knows it !
Being the adult in the room is hardly a qualification in the current GOP.Biffer wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:09 amNot so sure - in the televised debate a few days back she was clearly the only adult in the room, and the only one capable of stringing a sentence together. She might just hold on to the GOP nomination.Wilson's Toffee wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:56 amGuy Smiley wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:22 am Liz Cheney has come out guns blazing...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... epublicans
A last, desperate struggle before her constituency kicks the flabby assed RINO under her flabby butt....and she knows it !
One can only imagine the loathing for Trump if thinking Cheney is poor for having a flabby derriere. Amusing mind to consider a Cheney as a RINO, that's a lit like accusing Jesus of not being Christian enough (in so much as one can accuse mythical beings of anything)sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:35 amWilson's Toffee wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:56 am
A last, desperate struggle before her constituency kicks the flabby assed RINO under her flabby butt....and she knows it !
If anyone's a RINO it's these delusional Trump cultists that favour theocracy over the constitution.
Certain people tend to reserve these appearance based insults for women. I'm sure Trump's bulk is a positive for some reason or other.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:32 pmOne can only imagine the loathing for Trump if thinking Cheney is poor for having a flabby derriere. Amusing mind to consider a Cheney as a RINO, that's a lit like accusing Jesus of not being Christian enough (in so much as one can accuse mythical beings of anything)sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:35 amWilson's Toffee wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:56 am
A last, desperate struggle before her constituency kicks the flabby assed RINO under her flabby butt....and she knows it !
If anyone's a RINO it's these delusional Trump cultists that favour theocracy over the constitution.
convoluted wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:43 am"I was told that someone had heard someone say that ..." ... "something to the effect of ..". ... "something to the effect of ..." ... "something to the effect of ..." ... "something to the effect of ..."
The Committee.Gumboot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:18 amconvoluted wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:43 am"I was told that someone had heard someone say that ..." ... "something to the effect of ..". ... "something to the effect of ..." ... "something to the effect of ..." ... "something to the effect of ..."
Why haven't the secret service agents involved strongly refuted her testimony under oath yet? They've had a week already - what's holding them back?
One of them did, to which Cheney asked them to come forward and testify under oath. And they've never been heard from again.Gumboot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:18 amconvoluted wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:43 am"I was told that someone had heard someone say that ..." ... "something to the effect of ..". ... "something to the effect of ..." ... "something to the effect of ..." ... "something to the effect of ..."
Why haven't the secret service agents involved strongly refuted her testimony under oath yet? They've had a week already - what's holding them back?
Snooze wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:20 pmOne of them did, to which Cheney asked them to come forward and testify under oath. And they've never been heard from again.Gumboot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:18 amconvoluted wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:43 am"I was told that someone had heard someone say that ..." ... "something to the effect of ..". ... "something to the effect of ..." ... "something to the effect of ..." ... "something to the effect of ..."
Why haven't the secret service agents involved strongly refuted her testimony under oath yet? They've had a week already - what's holding them back?
The first 60 seconds of that Fox thing is so, . . . well, . . . Trump. First words out of his mouth . . . " some low level junior . . . ". So blatantly wrong.
Except she wasn't a nobody. She was aide to Mark Meadows. His only aide.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:23 pmSnooze wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:20 pmOne of them did, to which Cheney asked them to come forward and testify under oath. And they've never been heard from again.Gumboot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:18 am
Why haven't the secret service agents involved strongly refuted her testimony under oath yet? They've had a week already - what's holding them back?
The first 60 seconds of that Fox thing is so, . . . well, . . . Trump. First words out of his mouth . . . " some low level junior . . . ". So blatantly wrong.
Part of that is almost worth a follow up, because she is a low level junior nothing. In ordinary times there would be a question around how the hell were people with so little in the way of qualifications be getting those jobs, that would have been the 'scandal'
Which is the weird part as that's a fairly big job, but they give it to a kid just out of college who previously worked as an intern for them, and things shouldn't be so amateur was my thought there. So she was/is something of a nobody given her lack of experience and yet in all the madness that's barely anything one would have time to ponder onSnooze wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:45 pmExcept she wasn't a nobody. She was aide to Mark Meadows. His only aide.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:23 pmSnooze wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:20 pm
One of them did, to which Cheney asked them to come forward and testify under oath. And they've never been heard from again.
The first 60 seconds of that Fox thing is so, . . . well, . . . Trump. First words out of his mouth . . . " some low level junior . . . ". So blatantly wrong.
Part of that is almost worth a follow up, because she is a low level junior nothing. In ordinary times there would be a question around how the hell were people with so little in the way of qualifications be getting those jobs, that would have been the 'scandal'
But it was a theme for Trumps' WH staff. Just take a look across the board. Most of them young white females. No idea how he and his minions employment screening went, but it all came down to the same type. Reading and listening to the Jan 6 committee is proving quite enlightening to me.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:22 pmWhich is the weird part as that's a fairly big job, but they give it to a kid just out of college who previously worked as an intern for them, and things shouldn't be so amateur was my thought there. So she was/is something of a nobody given her lack of experience and yet in all the madness that's barely anything one would have time to ponder onSnooze wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:45 pmExcept she wasn't a nobody. She was aide to Mark Meadows. His only aide.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:23 pm
Part of that is almost worth a follow up, because she is a low level junior nothing. In ordinary times there would be a question around how the hell were people with so little in the way of qualifications be getting those jobs, that would have been the 'scandal'
Master class of getting descriptors correct.Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:11 pm A pile of dogshit, moulded into human form and clad in a suit, also known as Joe Manchin, has again delivered for his owners by stating he won't back his own party's efforts to support more funding for climate action, and also any higher taxes on the rich or on corporations
Effectively one man rules American legislation right now, and as ever, it's a man who gives not a fuck for anything but temporarily slaking his insatiable hunger for money from any source, no matter how shitty, in return for his dog like obedience to their requirements.
What a piece of fucking shit he is.
It's one broken country.Talking about RINO, Greitens is taking politics to a new level.sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:35 amWilson's Toffee wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:56 am
A last, desperate struggle before her constituency kicks the flabby assed RINO under her flabby butt....and she knows it !
If anyone's a RINO it's these delusional Trump cultists that favour theocracy over the constitution.
This is a bit distasteful. While we all enjoy robust debate etc., slagging our pet hates thus is quite self-demeaning. It is also quite slanderous, can lead to repercussions for the bored owners.EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:06 pm See Trump had his ex killed by Putin. Probably because of all the rape and stuff he did be doing to her
One could use the same legal defence as Team Trump, that no reasonable person would believe a word of what they sayWilson's Toffee wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:57 amThis is a bit distasteful. While we all enjoy robust debate etc., slagging our pet hates thus is quite self-demeaning. It is also quite slanderous, can lead to repercussions for the bored owners.EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:06 pm See Trump had his ex killed by Putin. Probably because of all the rape and stuff he did be doing to her
I'm not saying that trump is linked to a global child sex ring but you can do your own research and draw your own conclusions.EnergiseR2 wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:18 am Wilson is rattled. I am close to the truth #stairgate #NYdeposition #bitrapey
I was amused by the assertion that it was basic business that private companies had to have a guaranteed profit.Hugo wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:20 am https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 062910002/
Not sure if this belongs in this thread, but seems a reasonable place to put it. .
Prisoners are forced to work 40 hours a week for peanuts in profit making prisons. Then the state govt guarantees a 90% occupancy rate and so will pay the private prison company for any empty beds.
This economic model is essentially slavery combined with public subsidy of private enterprise.
Also what about the actual private businesses trying to compete with an organisation that doesn't have payroll costs?weegie01 wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:04 amI was amused by the assertion that it was basic business that private companies had to have a guaranteed profit.Hugo wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:20 am https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 062910002/
Not sure if this belongs in this thread, but seems a reasonable place to put it. .
Prisoners are forced to work 40 hours a week for peanuts in profit making prisons. Then the state govt guarantees a 90% occupancy rate and so will pay the private prison company for any empty beds.
This economic model is essentially slavery combined with public subsidy of private enterprise.
Call me old fashioned, but I always thought it was basic business that there was a risk of not making a profit
In certain sectors there’s no competition because prison labour has undercut any private industry so much. Something like 90% of the number plates in the USA are made in prisons.Uncle fester wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:09 amAlso what about the actual private businesses trying to compete with an organisation that doesn't have payroll costs?weegie01 wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:04 amI was amused by the assertion that it was basic business that private companies had to have a guaranteed profit.Hugo wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:20 am https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 062910002/
Not sure if this belongs in this thread, but seems a reasonable place to put it. .
Prisoners are forced to work 40 hours a week for peanuts in profit making prisons. Then the state govt guarantees a 90% occupancy rate and so will pay the private prison company for any empty beds.
This economic model is essentially slavery combined with public subsidy of private enterprise.
Call me old fashioned, but I always thought it was basic business that there was a risk of not making a profit
