NPR

Niegs wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:27 am I can see it working against a suicide drone, but what if you strike a mine and need to bail out in a hurry?

2/ The mine problem encountered in this counter-offensive would pose a formidable challenge even for NATO or Western militaries if given the same resources. With thousands of heavily mined square kilometers, it is a complex and protracted issue that cannot be easily resolved.

3/ Providing us with more anti-mine means would improve the situation, but it doesn't solve all the challenges. Russians use various methods to lay mines, including manual, mechanized, and remote approaches, adding complexity as different types of mines require various clearance

4/ While the possibility of bombarding the mined areas to create safe passages theoretically exists, it would necessitate an extensive quantity of ammunition and resources that Ukraine currently lacks and realistically cannot acquire to clear dozens of kilometers that way

5/ What about mine plows? While this option may appear viable, it is vulnerable to ATGM fire or loitering munitions, effectively blocking the passage and exposing personnel to potential artillery engagements as they struggle to retreat or dislodge the stuck vehicle.

6/ Does the use of mine-clearing line charges prove effective? Yes, it does. However, there are two crucial caveats to consider: a single M58 or UR-77 charge clears only a relatively small area, whereas our objective is to address areas kilometers in depth, not merely meters.

7/ In previous wars, it was easier to approach the enemy at close proximity without being easily detected. However, the element of surprise has diminished significantly due to the constant presence of drones, which easily detect any approaching mine-clearing vehicles.

8/ While the ultimate goal is to suppress the enemy before the mine-clearing vehicles arrive, it remains a difficult challenge to contend with covert and mobile ATGM teams, helicopters, and loitering munitions that cannot be easily neutralized.

9/ This necessitates an extraordinary level of coordination among anti-air defense, electronic warfare (EW) units, sappers, engineers, artillery, and reconnaissance elements on a scale not encountered by many modern armies in recent large-scale operations.

10/ The chaining effect of mines is often overlooked but significantly hampers maneuverability in battle. Even after minefields are supposedly cleared, residual mines create lingering doubts, discouraging swift movements and maneuvers by military units

11/ In conclusion, it is crucial to acknowledge the gravity of this issue and allocate the requisite resources to bolster Ukraine's anti-mine capabilities. To overcome it, we must prioritize the development of innovative solutions and foster exceptional unit cooperation.

tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:01 pm Caveat on unknown reliability of this source, but they are thought to have given at least tacit approval to Prigozhin's adventure, maybe for their own advancement

Hellraiser wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:01 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:34 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:01 pm Caveat on unknown reliability of this source, but they are thought to have given at least tacit approval to Prigozhin's adventure, maybe for their own advancement

Might be corroborated now



EDIT and

Uncle fester wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:32 pm Was he the somewhat competent commander?

Wagner mercenaries will no longer fight in Ukraine after chief refuses to sign contracts with Kremlin
Wagner fighters will no longer fight in Ukraine after the mercenary group’s chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, refused to sign any contracts with the Kremlin, according to the head of the Duma defence committee, Andrei Kartapolov.

Kartapolov said that a few days before the attempted rebellion, Russia’s ministry of defence announced that “all [groups] that perform combat missions must sign a contract” with the ministry, Tass news agency reported.

According to Kartapolov, Prigozhin did not sign the contracts and was informed that “Wagner would not take part in a special military operation.”

“That is, funding, material resources will not be allocated,” the deputy added.

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:03 pm

Hellraiser wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:07 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:03 pm

While a ridiculous claim at the best of times, there is both literal video evidence it isn't true, and the SBU has caught the Russian sleeper who called in the strike in real time. The Kremlin can't even claim ignorance or incompetence. It was a deliberate strike against a civilian target using real time intel.

Hellraiser wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:07 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:03 pm

While a ridiculous claim at the best of times, there is both literal video evidence it isn't true, and the SBU has caught the Russian sleeper who called in the strike in real time. The Kremlin can't even claim ignorance or incompetence. It was a deliberate strike against a civilian target using real time intel.

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:13 pm

Hellraiser wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:07 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:03 pm

While a ridiculous claim at the best of times, there is both literal video evidence it isn't true, and the SBU has caught the Russian sleeper who called in the strike in real time. The Kremlin can't even claim ignorance or incompetence. It was a deliberate strike against a civilian target using real time intel.

It follows the usual pattern:
1) silence
2) Vatniks claim that UA did it with an errant Storm Shadow or air defence misfire / debris
3) There were CIA agents and mercenaries gathered there, so UA took out their own allies
4) We did it BUT it was legitimate military target!

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:40 pm

Hellraiser wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:11 am