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OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:55 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:49 pm You know that thing I said about the new England approach getting found out v better sides? Yeah, that.

The Cricinfo lot went into silence with their Neverending Bazball shite.

This test is far from over with Stokes still batting

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:01 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:55 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:49 pm You know that thing I said about the new England approach getting found out v better sides? Yeah, that.

The Cricinfo lot went into silence with their Neverending Bazball shite.

This test is far from over with Stokes still batting

Mate. You'll win by an innings. Utterly embarrassing after all the hype shite

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:09 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:55 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:49 pm You know that thing I said about the new England approach getting found out v better sides? Yeah, that.

The Cricinfo lot went into silence with their Neverending Bazball shite.

This test is far from over with Stokes still batting

I seem to remember you thought England were going to batter SA, and I disagreed with you

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pm
I don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.

The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.

No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.

Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:01 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:55 pm

The Cricinfo lot went into silence with their Neverending Bazball shite.

This test is far from over with Stokes still batting

Mate. You'll win by an innings. Utterly embarrassing after all the hype shite

I don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.

The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.

No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.

Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:53 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:01 pm
Mate. You'll win by an innings. Utterly embarrassing after all the hype shite

I don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.

The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.

No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.

Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.

Boet honestly, this was only the 1st test, let's see what happens in the series.

Like you quote that 3 class batsmen. Isn't that the case for any team?

The Proteas won the toss on a good bowling pitch. Long may this continue.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:20 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:53 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pm

I don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.

The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.

No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.

Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.

Boet honestly, this was only the 1st test, let's see what happens in the series.

Like you quote that 3 class batsmen. Isn't that the case for any team?

The Proteas won the toss on a good bowling pitch. Long may this continue.

Once class batsman. Bairstow has had a phenomenal summer but his record tells the tale. Similar story with Stokes.

SA were the top ranked Test side coming into this!

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:20 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:53 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pm

I don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.

The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.

No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.

Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.

Boet honestly, this was only the 1st test, let's see what happens in the series.

Like you quote that 3 class batsmen. Isn't that the case for any team?

The Proteas won the toss on a good bowling pitch. Long may this continue.

Once class batsman. Bairstow has had a phenomenal summer but his record tells the tale. Similar story with Stokes.

SA were the top ranked Test side coming into this!

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 4:16 pm Unfortunately I don't think test cricket is profitable for the Proteas and most of their fans aren't really interested in it. Not really sure if it has a long term future for the Proteas

Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:34 am Neesham did not bowl very well but he is making up for it by smacking sixes and making the chase pretty easy. He ended up with 34 off 11 deliveries. Pooran also had a fabulous innings to take the Windies to a decent total.

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:48 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:34 am Neesham did not bowl very well but he is making up for it by smacking sixes and making the chase pretty easy. He ended up with 34 off 11 deliveries. Pooran also had a fabulous innings to take the Windies to a decent total.

The West Indies innings was everything you need to know about WI limited over cricket.

West Indies played out 35 boundaries (including 15 sixes) - but 168 dot balls - whereas NZ grabbed 31 boundaries (only 6 sixes) but only 112 dots.

West Indies need to sort their running out - that is half of the overs not being scored off.

Off-spinner Simon Harmer has been included in a 12-man playing squad, with captain Dean Elgar explaining that simply having the option of changing the bowling unit that destroyed England a week ago, was a luxury.

“Will have a good look at the wicket (Wednesday, at training),” said the South African captain. “We have the right resources, whether we play four seamers or two spinners. It’s exciting for us, we’ve never really had that luxury of having two world class spinners in our armoury. It's a nice thing to have.”

Calculon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:50 am should have dropped ngidi instead of jansen

Mahoney wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:06 am Hmm... Broad doesn't get the new ball with two left handers batting. Not a vote of confidence.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:03 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:50 am should have dropped ngidi instead of jansen

Agree, Jansen give viarity and bat well

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:15 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:03 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:50 am should have dropped ngidi instead of jansen

Agree, Jansen give viarity and bat well

First test England were 42/3. SA now 41/3. Who's going to save us?