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Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:46 pm
by Tichtheid
Slick wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:39 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:31 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:22 pm Ooh la la from the flake

He’s been top class both sides of the ball tonight
Yup. You know whenever anyone criticises his defence that they have never actually watched him

Was that the reason for the “flake” jibe?

It’s so far the reality it’s laughable

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:58 pm
by Slick
Tichtheid wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:46 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:39 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:31 pm


He’s been top class both sides of the ball tonight
Yup. You know whenever anyone criticises his defence that they have never actually watched him

Was that the reason for the “flake” jibe?

It’s so far the reality it’s laughable
It’s what Torq calls him when he’s on a rant

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:02 pm
by Tichtheid
Slick wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:58 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:46 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:39 pm

Yup. You know whenever anyone criticises his defence that they have never actually watched him

Was that the reason for the “flake” jibe?

It’s so far the reality it’s laughable
It’s what Torq calls him when he’s on a rant

Well, frankly, it’s bollocks

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:25 pm
by Begbie
Slick wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:22 pm Ooh la la from the flake
Pure filth.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:17 am
by KingBlairhorn
Jock42 wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:38 pm Murray McCallum (63)
Eroni Sau (26)
Jamie Farndale (15)
Andries Ferreira (9)
Duhan van der Merwe (67)
Mike Willemse (39)
Simon Berghan (90)
Ally Miller (24)
Dan Nutton (2)
Andrew Davidson (13)

All leaving. Miller and Berghan going to the Weegies, Farndale back to the 7s.

Surprised by Sau, he has been decent recently.

I hope McCallum picks up a good club, I really thought he was going to be a top player. Hopefully he can emulate Turner and break through somewhere else.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:38 am
by Yr Alban
Jock42 wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:38 pm Murray McCallum (63)
Eroni Sau (26)
Jamie Farndale (15)
Andries Ferreira (9)
Duhan van der Merwe (67)
Mike Willemse (39)
Simon Berghan (90)
Ally Miller (24)
Dan Nutton (2)
Andrew Davidson (13)

All leaving. Miller and Berghan going to the Weegies, Farndale back to the 7s.
Seems to leave them pretty short at tighthead?

Disappointed for Farndale. I saw him play for the U20s against Wales years back (Russell came on as a sub in that game) and he was a standout, scoring two tries in a beaten side. But his 15s career never quite got going.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:44 am
by KingBlairhorn
Yr Alban wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:38 am
Jock42 wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:38 pm Murray McCallum (63)
Eroni Sau (26)
Jamie Farndale (15)
Andries Ferreira (9)
Duhan van der Merwe (67)
Mike Willemse (39)
Simon Berghan (90)
Ally Miller (24)
Dan Nutton (2)
Andrew Davidson (13)

All leaving. Miller and Berghan going to the Weegies, Farndale back to the 7s.
Seems to leave them pretty short at tighthead?

Disappointed for Farndale. I saw him play for the U20s against Wales years back (Russell came on as a sub in that game) and he was a standout, scoring two tries in a beaten side. But his 15s career never quite got going.
They’ve got Dan Gamble coming through to fill the McCallum slot.

We might see Farndale back again in time, my understanding is he has been released to the GB sevens programme ahead of the Olympics…

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:23 pm
by I like neeps
Cameron Henderson just scored a very good try for Leicester.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:21 pm
by KingBlairhorn
I like neeps wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:23 pm Cameron Henderson just scored a very good try for Leicester.
Tries for Hutchinson, Mcguigan and Scott too.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:25 am
by KingBlairhorn
Bayonne relegated to Pro D2 last night. Twitter seems very confident Huw Jones has a relegation clause and will no longer be joining. I wonder where he will end up. I’d actually be pretty pleased if he turned up back at Stormers.


Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:20 am
by I like neeps
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:25 am Bayonne relegated to Pro D2 last night. Twitter seems very confident Huw Jones has a relegation clause and will no longer be joining. I wonder where he will end up. I’d actually be pretty pleased if he turned up back at Stormers.

That would cause all sorts of problems for him and Scotland though as their domestic season is different to ours. An enterprising English or French club will get a bargain. Signing for Bayonne who aren't rich anyway suggests his market wasn't very good so not good news for him.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:32 pm
by KingBlairhorn
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:20 am
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:25 am Bayonne relegated to Pro D2 last night. Twitter seems very confident Huw Jones has a relegation clause and will no longer be joining. I wonder where he will end up. I’d actually be pretty pleased if he turned up back at Stormers.

That would cause all sorts of problems for him and Scotland though as their domestic season is different to ours. An enterprising English or French club will get a bargain. Signing for Bayonne who aren't rich anyway suggests his market wasn't very good so not good news for him.
How do you mean their domestic season is different? I presume you mean outside of the Pro14 where it is obviously the same. Rumour has it the SA sides will be in the champs cup after next season too, which I think would pretty much align the seasons, no?

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:45 pm
by I like neeps
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:32 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:20 am
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:25 am Bayonne relegated to Pro D2 last night. Twitter seems very confident Huw Jones has a relegation clause and will no longer be joining. I wonder where he will end up. I’d actually be pretty pleased if he turned up back at Stormers.

That would cause all sorts of problems for him and Scotland though as their domestic season is different to ours. An enterprising English or French club will get a bargain. Signing for Bayonne who aren't rich anyway suggests his market wasn't very good so not good news for him.
How do you mean their domestic season is different? I presume you mean outside of the Pro14 where it is obviously the same. Rumour has it the SA sides will be in the champs cup after next season too, which I think would pretty much align the seasons, no?
Ah I had no idea they were joining the Pro14

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:14 pm
by I like neeps
Not at all convinced by Jack Blain. Not very big, fast, powerful or good.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:16 pm
by dkm57
How the feck was that blatant cheap shoulder shot to Connor Boyle's head not a red. :thumbdown:

Must be Welsh TV money

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:26 pm
by KingBlairhorn
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:14 pm Not at all convinced by Jack Blain. Not very big, fast, powerful or good.
He’s 6 foot 3 and 16 stone, that’s a fair size for a winger. He was excellent earlier in the season but most backs would look shit playing off pyrgos at 9 and kinghorn at 10.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:26 pm
by KingBlairhorn
dkm57 wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:16 pm How the feck was that blatant cheap shoulder shot to Connor Boyle's head not a red. :thumbdown:

Must be Welsh TV money
The TMO has been, eh, selective in his interventions.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:28 pm
by KingBlairhorn
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:45 pm
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:32 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:20 am

That would cause all sorts of problems for him and Scotland though as their domestic season is different to ours. An enterprising English or French club will get a bargain. Signing for Bayonne who aren't rich anyway suggests his market wasn't very good so not good news for him.
How do you mean their domestic season is different? I presume you mean outside of the Pro14 where it is obviously the same. Rumour has it the SA sides will be in the champs cup after next season too, which I think would pretty much align the seasons, no?
Ah I had no idea they were joining the Pro14
They should have been in this season but travel restrictions due to COVID put paid to that; hence the rainbow cup.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:34 pm
by I like neeps
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:26 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:14 pm Not at all convinced by Jack Blain. Not very big, fast, powerful or good.
He’s 6 foot 3 and 16 stone, that’s a fair size for a winger. He was excellent earlier in the season but most backs would look shit playing off pyrgos at 9 and kinghorn at 10.
He doesn't play 6'3 16stone. His defence and aerial game isn't great either.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:42 pm
by KingBlairhorn
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:34 pm
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:26 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:14 pm Not at all convinced by Jack Blain. Not very big, fast, powerful or good.
He’s 6 foot 3 and 16 stone, that’s a fair size for a winger. He was excellent earlier in the season but most backs would look shit playing off pyrgos at 9 and kinghorn at 10.
He doesn't play 6'3 16stone. His defence and aerial game isn't great either.
I’d definitely agree he hasn’t been great but he’s a good player. Another victim of the Cockerill selection policy of only selecting ‘experience’. He should have had 20+ appearances this season, instead he’s probably had fewer than 10.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:50 pm
by I like neeps
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:42 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:34 pm
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:26 pm

He’s 6 foot 3 and 16 stone, that’s a fair size for a winger. He was excellent earlier in the season but most backs would look shit playing off pyrgos at 9 and kinghorn at 10.
He doesn't play 6'3 16stone. His defence and aerial game isn't great either.
I’d definitely agree he hasn’t been great but he’s a good player. Another victim of the Cockerill selection policy of only selecting ‘experience’. He should have had 20+ appearances this season, instead he’s probably had fewer than 10.
Well that try shuts me up.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:51 pm
by KingBlairhorn
See :wink:

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:57 pm
by bessantj
28-28 fair result for a nothing game in he end?

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:39 pm
by I like neeps
bessantj wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:57 pm 28-28 fair result for a nothing game in he end?
I think so, maybe Edinburgh were a bit better but wasted chances and the Scarlets were clinical.

Hardy is a good player to watch and the 15 who got in the Wales squad was exciting.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:16 pm
by Yr Alban
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:20 am
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:25 am Bayonne relegated to Pro D2 last night. Twitter seems very confident Huw Jones has a relegation clause and will no longer be joining. I wonder where he will end up. I’d actually be pretty pleased if he turned up back at Stormers.

That would cause all sorts of problems for him and Scotland though as their domestic season is different to ours. An enterprising English or French club will get a bargain. Signing for Bayonne who aren't rich anyway suggests his market wasn't very good so not good news for him.
I’d love to see him at Edinburgh. Not likely to happen with Bennett filling that shirt though. Also, he’d be wasted with Cockers in charge.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:53 am
by Big D
Skinner was sent off at the weekend. Likely 3 game ban incoming.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:37 am
by I like neeps
Big D wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:53 am Skinner was sent off at the weekend. Likelyb3 game ban incoming.
Not sure...

I think he'll challenge it - a second row tackling a 5'8 scrum half who is being tackled so is low anyway is always tough. Skinner was hinged at the hips and wrapped his arms too.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:29 am
by Big D
I like neeps wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:37 am
Big D wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:53 am Skinner was sent off at the weekend. Likelyb3 game ban incoming.
Not sure...

I think he'll challenge it - a second row tackling a 5'8 scrum half who is being tackled so is low anyway is always tough. Skinner was hinged at the hips and wrapped his arms too.
I reckon they will back their officials.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:46 am
by Slick
Yr Alban wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:16 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:20 am
KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:25 am Bayonne relegated to Pro D2 last night. Twitter seems very confident Huw Jones has a relegation clause and will no longer be joining. I wonder where he will end up. I’d actually be pretty pleased if he turned up back at Stormers.

That would cause all sorts of problems for him and Scotland though as their domestic season is different to ours. An enterprising English or French club will get a bargain. Signing for Bayonne who aren't rich anyway suggests his market wasn't very good so not good news for him.
I’d love to see him at Edinburgh. Not likely to happen with Bennett filling that shirt though. Also, he’d be wasted with Cockers in charge.
I'd just like to see him getting game time wherever he goes. He seems like a player that needs to be playing regularly to get to his best, and at his best...

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:07 am
by SaintK
Big D wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:29 am
I like neeps wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:37 am
Big D wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:53 am Skinner was sent off at the weekend. Likelyb3 game ban incoming.
Not sure...

I think he'll challenge it - a second row tackling a 5'8 scrum half who is being tackled so is low anyway is always tough. Skinner was hinged at the hips and wrapped his arms too.
I reckon they will back their officials.
If there is any consistency by the disciplinary panel then Skinner wil get a 3 match ban like Ribbans did last week which has cost him his first England cap.
He will need to be very careful in challenging the red as he could well cop a longer ban than 3 matches if the challenge fails.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:19 am
by Slick
SaintK wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:07 am
Big D wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:29 am
I like neeps wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:37 am

Not sure...

I think he'll challenge it - a second row tackling a 5'8 scrum half who is being tackled so is low anyway is always tough. Skinner was hinged at the hips and wrapped his arms too.
I reckon they will back their officials.
If there is any consistency by the disciplinary panel then Skinner wil get a 3 match ban like Ribbans did last week which has cost him his first England cap.
He will need to be very careful in challenging the red as he could well cop a longer ban than 3 matches if the challenge fails.
Can't see him getting out of that. It's tough for him to do much else, but it's a fairly simple decision for a red.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:03 pm
by KingBlairhorn
Johnson injured and out of the tour and Hutch called up to replace him.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:22 pm
by Tichtheid
KingBlairhorn wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:03 pm Johnson injured and out of the tour and Hutch called up to replace him.


The SRU twitter account has Hutchinson replacing Matt Fagerson, no news on Johnson

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:45 pm
by I like neeps
Hutchinson has been tearing up trees of late. His omission was crazy, hopefully he gets to play 13 and shows everyone what he can do.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:45 pm
by Jock42
Chuffed for him, ridiculous that it's taken an injury for his inclusion.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:59 pm
by KingBlairhorn
Tichtheid wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:22 pm
KingBlairhorn wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:03 pm Johnson injured and out of the tour and Hutch called up to replace him.


The SRU twitter account has Hutchinson replacing Matt Fagerson, no news on Johnson
2+2=5 from me, Johnson wasn’t in the squad in the first place, but is out injured.

Not sure I rate Hutchinson as an 8 tbf.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:06 pm
by Oxbow
Due to injuries Hutchinson has played at 12 in 3 of the last 4 Saints games, I was worried his defence wouldn't be up to it but he showed up really well. I will show my ignorance and admit I don't really know what choices Scotland have at centre for the summer fixtures, would there be any chance of him playing at 12 or is he only seen as a 13?

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:17 pm
by Jock42
Oxbow wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:06 pm Due to injuries Hutchinson has played at 12 in 3 of the last 4 Saints games, I was worried his defence wouldn't be up to it but he showed up really well. I will show my ignorance and admit I don't really know what choices Scotland have at centre for the summer fixtures, would there be any chance of him playing at 12 or is he only seen as a 13?
Scott 12 Hutch 13 would be my choice. Not sure if Lang is 12 or 13?

So it looks as though they just forgot about Hutch and have remembered they have a decent centre there.

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:28 pm
by Yr Alban
Reckon the SRU trying to save a bit of face here. Hutchinson’s omission was a big WTF moment. He then plays out of his skin in the next few games, and we’ve subbed him at the first injury call-off despite the player concerned playing in a completely different position. We see you, selectors. We see you!

Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:39 pm
by JM2K6
Jock42 wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:17 pm
Oxbow wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:06 pm Due to injuries Hutchinson has played at 12 in 3 of the last 4 Saints games, I was worried his defence wouldn't be up to it but he showed up really well. I will show my ignorance and admit I don't really know what choices Scotland have at centre for the summer fixtures, would there be any chance of him playing at 12 or is he only seen as a 13?
Scott 12 Hutch 13 would be my choice. Not sure if Lang is 12 or 13?

So it looks as though they just forgot about Hutch and have remembered they have a decent centre there.
Lang wants to be a 10, should be best suited to 12, is actually probably a better 13. He's not great though and has had a very poor season. I'll be very surprised if he kicks on any time soon.

Hutchinson always strikes me as someone who struggles a bit with defence.