You're assuming he's continent in that exampleRaggs wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:09 pmNo it doesn't. It inconclusively demonstrates that wearing a mask, when no one else is, doesn't protect you.Bimbowomxn wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:05 pm It inconclusively demonstrates that masks make little difference to a corona virus spread.
The desperation to dismiss it though is hilarious.
OK, let's pretend clothing is a mask.
If I take my trousers and pants off, and piss on you, you get wet, even if you're wearing trousers. If I leave my trousers and pants on, and attempt to piss on you, you probably stay dry. As has been repeated to you, masks do not protect the wearer very much, unless it's a high grade properly fitted medical mask. However, even a basic cloth mask can stop me from spreading the virus to others.
Me wearing a mask doesn't protect me from you. It protects you from me.
So, coronavirus...
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Another article with interesting reading:
Top Pathologist Claims COVID-19 Is "The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On An Unsuspecting Public"
Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”
Hodkinson’s comments were made during a discussion involving the Community and Public Services Committee and the clip was subsequently uploaded to YouTube.
Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”
“There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.
The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”
Hodkinson remarked that “social distancing is useless because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing,” as he called for society to be re-opened immediately to prevent the debilitating damage being caused by lockdowns.
Hodkinson also slammed mandatory mask mandates as completely pointless.
“Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.
“Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”
The doctor also slammed the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”
Hodkinson said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “one in three hundred thousand,” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”
“I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level, it should all stop tomorrow,” concluded Dr. Hodkinson.
Hodkinson’s credentials are beyond question, with the MedMalDoctors website affirming his credibility.
“He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).”
“He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.”
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Top Pathologist Claims COVID-19 Is "The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On An Unsuspecting Public"
Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”
Hodkinson’s comments were made during a discussion involving the Community and Public Services Committee and the clip was subsequently uploaded to YouTube.
Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”
“There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.
The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”
Hodkinson remarked that “social distancing is useless because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing,” as he called for society to be re-opened immediately to prevent the debilitating damage being caused by lockdowns.
Hodkinson also slammed mandatory mask mandates as completely pointless.
“Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.
“Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”
The doctor also slammed the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”
Hodkinson said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “one in three hundred thousand,” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”
“I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level, it should all stop tomorrow,” concluded Dr. Hodkinson.
Hodkinson’s credentials are beyond question, with the MedMalDoctors website affirming his credibility.
“He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).”
“He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.”
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That's the article that was just posted up a few pages earlier isn't it? By a medical malpractice specialist? He's a GP, a malpractice, a pathologist, expert in virology, biotech...
He seems to be pushing testing, but not PCR testing, perhaps the testing that his company (one of his many companies) produces...
He seems to be pushing testing, but not PCR testing, perhaps the testing that his company (one of his many companies) produces...
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
A quick Google and all you get are his companies, one questionable news source full of banner ads and a reddit thread (and other forum type posts like it).
Even the first reddit response (with the majority of the rest following this line of skepticism)
Even the first reddit response (with the majority of the rest following this line of skepticism)
Nice challenge to the doc's and critic's claim in that thread ...Is a Doctor that doesn't practice in a clinical setting... check.
Doesn't work in public health... check.
Owns and operates a business that makes money of alternative therapies... check.
This guy definitely has my best interest! /s
My reality? I don't think it's unique, but here you go:
I'm not so deluded as to think that things are just tickety-boo in hospitals and drs are just bored on their coffee breaks and going on camera to say scary things for laughs. I'm not so jaded with facts to refuse to accept advice from epidemiologist, and I'm not so lacking in scientific training as to be unable to interpret a study when provided with evidence to support public health mandates and restrictions.
One of my jobs is in a front-facing public health role. I'm so tired of the armchair epidemiologists who are no smarter this year than in any other year, and who might have managed Science 30-3, or who read only summarised articles written by people who know more about manipulation than they do about viruses/bacteria/masks/science.
The 99% survival rate ignores a great deal of nuance and detail. It pretends that everyone but the unlucky 1% have a bit of a sniffle one day and never have a moment's bother again, when in fact there is a significantly higher percentage of cases who spend days to weeks in hospital struggling to join the 99% at the end of their illness.
I realise that what is being asked of us is simple, easy, and inexpensive. Wear a mask when in public spaces, don't gather with people you don't live with, help shorten the duration of this situation by being sensible adults and by encouraging those who aren't to be compassionate human beings and do the easy things even if they don't really believe in them.
My reality is that I try to step back from new information and put it into context as to source, cites, evidence and how the information was obtained and disseminated, and what the motive of the person relaying it might be. That's what a degree in biology/science does.
I really cannot understand the grossly selfish mindset that most resembles an overtired toddler, stamping and refusing to just cooperate with simple requests to help things have a good resolution and in this case, to actually save lives.
I get that there are a lot of people with minimal education who don't see themselves being manipulated, and have been told that those who talk about science are really talking about government control. That's incredibly sad. I guess they also really don't see the crazy inconsistencies in their pushback and thoughts.
Their victories are small, mean, pointless little "wins" over nothing, that serve only to make this worse than it needed to be. There's a nastiness to it that feeds on itself and makes people hard and ugly. I hate it. It's ruining otherwise decent people who could be a lot better than they are by acting with compassion even if they can't make it to understanding.
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Duly noted and chastened.Raggs wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:10 pm That's the article that was just posted up a few pages earlier isn't it? By a medical malpractice specialist? He's a GP, a malpractice, a pathologist, expert in virology, biotech...
He seems to be pushing testing, but not PCR testing, perhaps the testing that his company (one of his many companies) produces...
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Can I ask what's the big fucking deal with wearing a mask ?
If I reject the vast majority of scientific opinion, & it doesn't play a significant enough role in stop infections; so what ?
It isn't doing you any harm; & you're showing real solidarity with the medical workers; as opposed to standing on your doorstep, & doing a few minutes clapping. Its like all those AA gunners in WW II firing off millions of rounds & hitting sweet fuck all; it might or might not be useful, but it shows some solidarity with those on the front line.
If I reject the vast majority of scientific opinion, & it doesn't play a significant enough role in stop infections; so what ?
It isn't doing you any harm; & you're showing real solidarity with the medical workers; as opposed to standing on your doorstep, & doing a few minutes clapping. Its like all those AA gunners in WW II firing off millions of rounds & hitting sweet fuck all; it might or might not be useful, but it shows some solidarity with those on the front line.
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:40 pm Can I ask what's the big fucking deal with wearing a mask ?
If I reject the vast majority of scientific opinion, & it doesn't play a significant enough role in stop infections; so what ?
It isn't doing you any harm; & you're showing real solidarity with the medical workers; as opposed to standing on your doorstep, & doing a few minutes clapping. Its like all those AA gunners in WW II firing off millions of rounds & hitting sweet fuck all; it might or might not be useful, but it shows some solidarity with those on the front line.
I suspect for many it's their fear / denial lashing out ... I had some hesitations at first, wondering what's the point if we can't get n95s and if med staff need those more than us? But listened to experts and read other sources on how limiting spread personally, and more so between all individuals, is better than doing nothing at all. Sold. I realized between the announcement it could be mandatory and being empowered by good sources explaining why, I realized my first thoughts were based on the fear that the danger was here.
I wonder how many of the deniers are in regions where the virus has affected few? Or if no one in their bubble has contacted it (that's true for me, thankfully)? And how many people who've been impacted by it, directly or indirectly, have flipped realizing how deadly / impactful it can be? (Though that video with the nurse I shared earlier, worryingly/infuriatingly, shows that at least some are taking the denial to their graves!)
They don’t mind wearing a seat belt or being told to wear pants when going into a bar. But ask them to wear a piece of cotton over their mouth in Tesco.....fishfoodie wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:40 pm Can I ask what's the big fucking deal with wearing a mask ?
If I reject the vast majority of scientific opinion, & it doesn't play a significant enough role in stop infections; so what ?
It isn't doing you any harm; & you're showing real solidarity with the medical workers; as opposed to standing on your doorstep, & doing a few minutes clapping. Its like all those AA gunners in WW II firing off millions of rounds & hitting sweet fuck all; it might or might not be useful, but it shows some solidarity with those on the front line.
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I agree to a point..... However Im in a location where i have to wear one at all times outdoors . I was out in the country side and a local cop pulled in and reprimanded me for not wearing one. I was in the middle of nowhere walking my dog. no common sense from the copper at all.Sandstorm wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:56 pmThey don’t mind wearing a seat belt or being told to wear pants when going into a bar. But ask them to wear a piece of cotton over their mouth in Tesco.....fishfoodie wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:40 pm Can I ask what's the big fucking deal with wearing a mask ?
If I reject the vast majority of scientific opinion, & it doesn't play a significant enough role in stop infections; so what ?
It isn't doing you any harm; & you're showing real solidarity with the medical workers; as opposed to standing on your doorstep, & doing a few minutes clapping. Its like all those AA gunners in WW II firing off millions of rounds & hitting sweet fuck all; it might or might not be useful, but it shows some solidarity with those on the front line.
And if i broke into a jog it was within the rules. but walking incurred a 100 quid spot fine.
Thats the rubbish i cant stand.
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Im in central Europe. Spending lockdown in the missus family country house. The queen bee is foreign .
Signs of another therapeutic being shown to be effective for treatment of critical Covid. Trials of Tocilizumab, currently approved for rheumatoid arthritis, were stopped 2 days ago after just 303 patients, as independent monitors said there was already suffi cient evidence to get the drug approved for Covid. Full data is currently being collated for analysis.
The downside? Unlike dexamethasone, this is £500-£1,000 per treatment
The downside? Unlike dexamethasone, this is £500-£1,000 per treatment
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If it saves critically ill covid patient's lives that's peanuts.Saint wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:50 pm Signs of another therapeutic being shown to be effective for treatment of critical Covid. Trials of Tocilizumab, currently approved for rheumatoid arthritis, were stopped 2 days ago after just 303 patients, as independent monitors said there was already suffi cient evidence to get the drug approved for Covid. Full data is currently being collated for analysis.
The downside? Unlike dexamethasone, this is £500-£1,000 per treatment
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It isn't doing you any harm; & you're showing real solidarity with the medical workers;
I often wear my wetsuit in solidarity with all the deep sea divers having a tough day.
From a moral perspective, certainly.Longshanks wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:07 pmIf it saves critically ill covid patient's lives that's peanuts.Saint wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:50 pm Signs of another therapeutic being shown to be effective for treatment of critical Covid. Trials of Tocilizumab, currently approved for rheumatoid arthritis, were stopped 2 days ago after just 303 patients, as independent monitors said there was already suffi cient evidence to get the drug approved for Covid. Full data is currently being collated for analysis.
The downside? Unlike dexamethasone, this is £500-£1,000 per treatment
Good news, another weapon. Sounds like it’s for patients on ventilators in particular? So likely to be used after dexamethasone?Saint wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:50 pm Signs of another therapeutic being shown to be effective for treatment of critical Covid. Trials of Tocilizumab, currently approved for rheumatoid arthritis, were stopped 2 days ago after just 303 patients, as independent monitors said there was already suffi cient evidence to get the drug approved for Covid. Full data is currently being collated for analysis.
The downside? Unlike dexamethasone, this is £500-£1,000 per treatment
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Yeah, I've not read up completely, but this appears to be about targeting the cykotine storm - which makes sense as that;s one of the primary causes of rheumatoid arthritis. So it's for extreme patient cases only in all likelihood, but the data analysis should explain furtherBiffer wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:32 pmGood news, another weapon. Sounds like it’s for patients on ventilators in particular? So likely to be used after dexamethasone?Saint wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:50 pm Signs of another therapeutic being shown to be effective for treatment of critical Covid. Trials of Tocilizumab, currently approved for rheumatoid arthritis, were stopped 2 days ago after just 303 patients, as independent monitors said there was already suffi cient evidence to get the drug approved for Covid. Full data is currently being collated for analysis.
The downside? Unlike dexamethasone, this is £500-£1,000 per treatment
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From a Financial perspective too. If it cuts a day off, or prevents time in ICU; it's an absolute bargain.Saint wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 pmFrom a moral perspective, certainly.Longshanks wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:07 pmIf it saves critically ill covid patient's lives that's peanuts.Saint wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:50 pm Signs of another therapeutic being shown to be effective for treatment of critical Covid. Trials of Tocilizumab, currently approved for rheumatoid arthritis, were stopped 2 days ago after just 303 patients, as independent monitors said there was already suffi cient evidence to get the drug approved for Covid. Full data is currently being collated for analysis.
The downside? Unlike dexamethasone, this is £500-£1,000 per treatment
How much does a few days of a patient on O2, in a regular ward cost the NHS ?
Per treatment I mean per IV (and it would be multiple per day) - and as far as I can tell they would still be on oxygen as well at the same time.fishfoodie wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:59 pmFrom a Financial perspective too. If it cuts a day off, or prevents time in ICU; it's an absolute bargain.Saint wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 pmFrom a moral perspective, certainly.Longshanks wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:07 pm
If it saves critically ill covid patient's lives that's peanuts.
How much does a few days of a patient on O2, in a regular ward cost the NHS ?
I want to be clear, I'm not arguing against it - but this isn't a silver bullet answer to making Covid "safe" or "recoverable". It is an improvement on where we were before
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Understood; & you clearly know this; but I'm just making the general point that just because a potential treatment looks expensive; if it keeps someone out of an ICU, or gets them out of hospital faster; it may still be a bargain.Saint wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:03 pmPer treatment I mean per IV (and it would be multiple per day) - and as far as I can tell they would still be on oxygen as well at the same time.fishfoodie wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:59 pmFrom a Financial perspective too. If it cuts a day off, or prevents time in ICU; it's an absolute bargain.
How much does a few days of a patient on O2, in a regular ward cost the NHS ?
I want to be clear, I'm not arguing against it - but this isn't a silver bullet answer to making Covid "safe" or "recoverable". It is an improvement on where we were before
As you say though; the treatments are like the vaccines; we're learning as we go, & looking promising, doesn't mean much without a decent amount of data.
Raggs wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:09 pmNo it doesn't. It inconclusively demonstrates that wearing a mask, when no one else is, doesn't protect you.Bimbowomxn wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:05 pm It inconclusively demonstrates that masks make little difference to a corona virus spread.
The desperation to dismiss it though is hilarious.
OK, let's pretend clothing is a mask.
If I take my trousers and pants off, and piss on you, you get wet, even if you're wearing trousers. If I leave my trousers and pants on, and attempt to piss on you, you probably stay dry. As has been repeated to you, masks do not protect the wearer very much, unless it's a high grade properly fitted medical mask. However, even a basic cloth mask can stop me from spreading the virus to others.
Me wearing a mask doesn't protect me from you. It protects you from me.
Cost of ICU varies dependent upon the number of organs failing.fishfoodie wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:59 pmFrom a Financial perspective too. If it cuts a day off, or prevents time in ICU; it's an absolute bargain.Saint wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 pmFrom a moral perspective, certainly.Longshanks wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:07 pm
If it saves critically ill covid patient's lives that's peanuts.
How much does a few days of a patient on O2, in a regular ward cost the NHS ?
About £2000 a day
I have to agree that poor implementation and irrational rules have badly undermined the public's willingness to comply and the perception that those in charge are not bound by the same rules further fuels this rebellious inclination.Steve wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:05 pmI agree to a point..... However Im in a location where i have to wear one at all times outdoors . I was out in the country side and a local cop pulled in and reprimanded me for not wearing one. I was in the middle of nowhere walking my dog. no common sense from the copper at all.Sandstorm wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:56 pmThey don’t mind wearing a seat belt or being told to wear pants when going into a bar. But ask them to wear a piece of cotton over their mouth in Tesco.....fishfoodie wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:40 pm Can I ask what's the big fucking deal with wearing a mask ?
If I reject the vast majority of scientific opinion, & it doesn't play a significant enough role in stop infections; so what ?
It isn't doing you any harm; & you're showing real solidarity with the medical workers; as opposed to standing on your doorstep, & doing a few minutes clapping. Its like all those AA gunners in WW II firing off millions of rounds & hitting sweet fuck all; it might or might not be useful, but it shows some solidarity with those on the front line.
And if i broke into a jog it was within the rules. but walking incurred a 100 quid spot fine.
Thats the rubbish i cant stand.
However, as Sandy says, most if it is common sense and the sooner the spread can be suppressed, the better we can avoid the damaging effects of lockdown and other prohibitions.
I have taken to wearing a paisley bandana around my neck which I can raise to cover my nose and mouth if I encounter anyone: perhaps a similar method might have avoided your confrontation with the law?
Coronavirus: Inside test-and-trace - how the 'world beater' went wrong
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55008133
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55008133
Question.
What sort of fucking moron thinks having a sleepover for kids is a good idea at the moment?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-55005077
What sort of fucking moron thinks having a sleepover for kids is a good idea at the moment?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-55005077
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Proper. Fucking. Selfish. Morons.Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:19 pm Question.
What sort of fucking moron thinks having a sleepover for kids is a good idea at the moment?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-55005077
Not that I'd do it, but if it was solely people in the same school bubbles, I'd sort of understand people thinking it's OK. Even then, it should be obvious that it's problematic, but I can understand that logic someone could use to get there. If it's just friends not even in the same bubble, it's just stupid.Sandstorm wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:21 pmProper. Fucking. Selfish. Morons.Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:19 pm Question.
What sort of fucking moron thinks having a sleepover for kids is a good idea at the moment?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-55005077
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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That & seeing a succession of politicians ignoring the rules they want others to obey; & getting away scot free !Rinkals wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:24 amI have to agree that poor implementation and irrational rules have badly undermined the public's willingness to comply and the perception that those in charge are not bound by the same rules further fuels this rebellious inclination.Steve wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:05 pmI agree to a point..... However Im in a location where i have to wear one at all times outdoors . I was out in the country side and a local cop pulled in and reprimanded me for not wearing one. I was in the middle of nowhere walking my dog. no common sense from the copper at all.Sandstorm wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:56 pm
They don’t mind wearing a seat belt or being told to wear pants when going into a bar. But ask them to wear a piece of cotton over their mouth in Tesco.....
And if i broke into a jog it was within the rules. but walking incurred a 100 quid spot fine.
Thats the rubbish i cant stand.
However, as Sandy says, most if it is common sense and the sooner the spread can be suppressed, the better we can avoid the damaging effects of lockdown and other prohibitions.
I have taken to wearing a paisley bandana around my neck which I can raise to cover my nose and mouth if I encounter anyone: perhaps a similar method might have avoided your confrontation with the law?
It doesn't matter if a hundred MPs do the right thing; it just takes one prick to undermine the message.
Didn't the cops recently point out that Scummings eye test was a frequent retort whenever they tried enforcing the guidelines ?
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Who’d have thought it would be behaving like a corona virus.
The trouble with this study is that they were testing against frontline workers - who would have a higher incidence of exposure to start with. And as has already been established, antibody levels drop significantly post-infection, so a lack of antibodies could simply be that these people had there exposure earlier.Bimbowomxn wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:34 pm
Who’d have thought it would be behaving like a corona virus.
It;s an interesting data point, but without a baseline comparison it actually isn't telling us much. Run the same survey in the general population and I'll be far more interested
EDIT - and apparently the antibody test used in thsi study is only 70% sensitive anyway.
Frankly if you spend your time taking your trousers and pants off, trying to piss on people I am delighted to be protected from you!!Raggs wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:09 pmNo it doesn't. It inconclusively demonstrates that wearing a mask, when no one else is, doesn't protect you.Bimbowomxn wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:05 pm It inconclusively demonstrates that masks make little difference to a corona virus spread.
The desperation to dismiss it though is hilarious.
OK, let's pretend clothing is a mask.
If I take my trousers and pants off, and piss on you, you get wet, even if you're wearing trousers. If I leave my trousers and pants on, and attempt to piss on you, you probably stay dry. As has been repeated to you, masks do not protect the wearer very much, unless it's a high grade properly fitted medical mask. However, even a basic cloth mask can stop me from spreading the virus to others.
Me wearing a mask doesn't protect me from you. It protects you from me.