Cricket: T20 World Cup

[OomStruisbaai]

That's out

[Thor Sedan]

Anyway, back to the cricket…..SA pulling back the score here with some great bowling.

Yep - West Indies going headless chicken mode again.

[handyman]

It is a lost cause trying to convince old white saffas that taking the knee is not some sort of blasphemy. They will tell you 27yrs of democracy is enough reperations for 400yrs of tyranny against black folk.

Please don't think you speak for me. I fully acknowledge that racism exists. I don't see how forcing someone to do something helps. All t does it drive racism underground and make people more resentful of race.

As I understand it, Graeme Smith wanted it to be a uniform stand. Either all kneeling, all standing with fist aloft or all just standing there doing nothing, and I think it's fair enough.

It really looked odd with half the side kneeling and the others making a fist or kicking their heels.

If you are not prepared, as a team, to make a common stand on an issue that some feel strongly about, then you are not really a team, are you?

Link to Smith's comment please.

[Rinkals]

That didn't look out to me.

[OomStruisbaai]

8 down.

[Biffer]

If half your team feels strongly about taking the knee, why would you refuse to do so?

If you put yourself directly against your team mates, you are obviously risking dividing the team which only benefits the opposition.

If I played for a team where half the side felt that racism was an issue, I would kneel with them, whether I believed in it or not.

FFS.

Put much more succinctly than I managed.

It is such an odd thing to exclude yourself from......unless......well......

Also worth highlighting that initially the players were requested to take one of three actions - take a knee, raised fist or stand to attention. When given these options, de Kock chose to stand with his hands behind his back.

[OomStruisbaai]

[media][/media]

That didn't look out to me.

You watch with one eye.

[handyman]

Lovely to see the Proteas deadly against the tail.

[Rinkals]

Please don't think you speak for me. I fully acknowledge that racism exists. I don't see how forcing someone to do something helps. All t does it drive racism underground and make people more resentful of race.

As I understand it, Graeme Smith wanted it to be a uniform stand. Either all kneeling, all standing with fist aloft or all just standing there doing nothing, and I think it's fair enough.

It really looked odd with half the side kneeling and the others making a fist or kicking their heels.

If you are not prepared, as a team, to make a common stand on an issue that some feel strongly about, then you are not really a team, are you?

Link to Smith's comment please.

You really are a tit, aren't you?

It was something I read in Manners' blog, and I'm fucked if I'm going to search it out for you.

[Thor Sedan]

That didn't look out to me.

It looked like it bounced on to his fingers - but not touched the turf.

[handyman]

Again, why wait until the World Cup to make these kind of decisions?

[FalseBayFC]

This, fuck the Proteas

So, because a side is taking a stand against racism, you would be happy to see them lose?

WTF?

So, it looks like most of the Saffers on here don't want to see the Proteas win?

Christ!

It is ridiculous. OomPB just reaffirming that an old racist cannot change its spots. I cannot believe some of the comments here.

You can't equate opposing the obligatory knee stance with being a racist. I was hoping that this WC would be free of all this bullshit. What is wrong with letting the players choose to stand or kneel? I've spent my entire life backing this team and sport through thick and thin. Despite all the corruption and fuckwittery. This furore will no doubt dent the teams already fragile morale and confidence.
I do believe its sad though that de Kock didn't just do the pragmatic thing and kneel. After all if you're forced to do it and get paid for it, why not? Not like it really means anything anymore.

[Sandstorm]

143/8
Average on this pitch

[handyman]

As I understand it, Graeme Smith wanted it to be a uniform stand. Either all kneeling, all standing with fist aloft or all just standing there doing nothing, and I think it's fair enough.

It really looked odd with half the side kneeling and the others making a fist or kicking their heels.

If you are not prepared, as a team, to make a common stand on an issue that some feel strongly about, then you are not really a team, are you?

Link to Smith's comment please.

You really are a tit, aren't you?

It was something I read in Manners' blog, and I'm fucked if I'm going to search it out for you.

That's not a mature response at all. Down at the pub again?

[OomStruisbaai]

143/8
Average on this pitch

Easy to get. No need to tonk.

[Rinkals]

[media][/media]

That didn't look out to me.

You watch with one eye.

It bounced up into his hands.

I suppose it's conceivable that it bounced on his finger, but it looked like it hit the ground to me.

Never mind, it's in the scorebook and it probably won't make any difference to the final score. [hope the Mockers don't punish me for saying so].

[Big Nipper]

That's out

Ouboet jy skree mos vir die Windies nou, so hoekom wil jy dit uit he?

[Insane_Homer]

I wouldn't be at all surprised that CSA got the petulant reaction from de Kock by deciding to use the stick rather than carrot.

CSA and de Kock can both fock off as far as I'm concerned. Embarrassing petulant childish mess.

Anyway, I think there's a game on.
143/8 slight adv to SA.

[Rinkals]

Link to Smith's comment please.

You really are a tit, aren't you?

It was something I read in Manners' blog, and I'm fucked if I'm going to search it out for you.

That's not a mature response at all. Down at the pub again?

I'm just getting a little tired of you stalking me.

[OomStruisbaai]

[media][/media]

That didn't look out to me.

You watch with one eye.

It bounced up into his hands.

I suppose it's conceivable that it bounced on his finger, but it looked like it hit the ground to me.

Never mind, it's in the scorebook and it probably won't make any difference to the final score. [hope the Mockers don't punish me for saying so].

Gladly you are not a TMO.

You would fuck that one big time

[Thor Sedan]

Not like it really means anything anymore.

Well not when it is diluted by teams unable to give a few seconds to the cause. To suggest that racism is a nothing cause is really part of the problem isn't it?

[Calculon]

Not a great score but hopefully it's enough against our shit batting lineup

[Rinkals]

You really are a tit, aren't you?

It was something I read in Manners' blog, and I'm fucked if I'm going to search it out for you.

That's not a mature response at all. Down at the pub again?

I'm just getting a little tired of you stalking me.

All players had been required, in line with a directive of the CSA Board on Monday evening, to "take the knee" in a united and consistent stance against racism.

[Kiwias]

That didn't look out to me.

It looked like it bounced on to his fingers - but not touched the turf.

Bounced off what? Surely the only thing it could bounce off is the turf.

[handyman]

You really are a tit, aren't you?

It was something I read in Manners' blog, and I'm fucked if I'm going to search it out for you.

That's not a mature response at all. Down at the pub again?

I'm just getting a little tired of you stalking me.

Well, posting that the forced kneeling creating all this controversy was Smith's call is quite a big statement. It's not on any of the bigger news channels, so I thought it would be interesting to see the link to Smith's statement.

[OomStruisbaai]

Not a great score but hopefully it's enough against our shit batting lineup

[Sandstorm]

Dale Steyn calling Mark Nicolas a stupid cunt.

Love you Dale

[Sandstorm]

Bavuma runs himself out

[Calculon]

Not like it really means anything anymore.

Well not when it is diluted by teams unable to give a few seconds to the cause. To suggest that racism is a nothing cause is really part of the problem isn't it?

To suggest that only by taking the knee can you acknowledge racism is a problem, is the problem

[OomStruisbaai]

Our captain on his way

[Calculon]

Continuing his good form

[Rinkals]

That's not a mature response at all. Down at the pub again?

I'm just getting a little tired of you stalking me.

Well, posting that the forced kneeling creating all this controversy was Smith's call is quite a big statement. It's not on any of the bigger news channels, so I thought it would be interesting to see the link to Smith's statement.

I've quoted the directive from CSA which roughly confirms what I said.

I had read it earlier in Neil Manthorpe's blog.

I think you are splitting hairs as to whether Graeme Smith actually uttered those exact words, when Graeme Smith is actually Director of Cricket.

But not to worry, if you get off on following me around to try and trip me up on minor matters, then fine: fill your boots.

[handyman]

Bavuma runs himself out

Incredible when we are chasing a modest total.

[Thor Sedan]

That didn't look out to me.

It looked like it bounced on to his fingers - but not touched the turf.

Bounced off what? Surely the only thing it could bounce off is the turf.

Yeah - not particularly clear what I wrote. I meant that it appears to hit on to the fingers up into the hand. Looks like the fingers are underneath the ball.

[handyman]

From Cricinfo : Win Probability: SA 68.97% • WI 31.03%.

[Rinkals]

Not like it really means anything anymore.

Well not when it is diluted by teams unable to give a few seconds to the cause. To suggest that racism is a nothing cause is really part of the problem isn't it?

To suggest that only by taking the knee can you acknowledge racism is a problem, is the problem

"Only by taking the knee"?

Who says that "only by taking the knee can you acknowledge racism"?

It's obviously something that resonates with some of the players and I don't see why it should be a big deal to show your support for other members of your team.

This whole thing is a distraction which really isn't needed when you are trying to win a game to stay in the competition.

[Insane_Homer]

Bounced off what? Surely the only thing it could bounce off is the turf.

Clearly bounces off his fingers which were under the ball. I could clearly see that on my phone screen. Get a better stream.

[Rinkals]

It looked like it bounced on to his fingers - but not touched the turf.

Bounced off what? Surely the only thing it could bounce off is the turf.

Yeah - not particularly clear what I wrote. I meant that it appears to hit on to the fingers up into the hand. Looks like the fingers are underneath the ball.

Thanks.

Glad to see I was wrong.

[Thor Sedan]

Not like it really means anything anymore.

Well not when it is diluted by teams unable to give a few seconds to the cause. To suggest that racism is a nothing cause is really part of the problem isn't it?

To suggest that only by taking the knee can you acknowledge racism is a problem, is the problem

But that isn't what this is about - it isn't about taking a knee being the only way to acknowledge it. It is about a team being united in the way to acknowledge it.

Optically - some players taking a knee, other raising a fist and others just standing there creates a picture that those just standing are either A- not acknowledging it, B- don't feel it is worth their time or C- don't think it is a problem and/or don't have an issue with the current levels of racism.

Whether what I have written is right or wrong to their actual thinking means nothing - it is the image it portrays. QdK refusing to take a knee - or whatever the team/management/association has decided would happen as a team - suggests (rightly or wrongly) that QdK does not have an issue with racism or doesn't support the desire to end racism.

[handyman]

Reeza going well