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Grant Williams is going to give Faf sleepless nights. That boy is the next Joost.

PsdT is finding some nice form.

DdA just needs to feck off. Seriously limited skills, no step, no distribution, no kicking game, missing tackles. I'll just take AE thanks.

Fat Frans needs to shape up.

Nervous start but we we got the win.

So the Springboks save some SH respect with this win.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:53 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:52 pm You might have to do without Kriel when the citing commissioner gets hodl of the video though.

We probably wouldn't have won even if he'd been sent off thiugh

Both likely. I’d rather we have Moodie at 13 anyway.

Can't understand why he's not first choice. Beautiful rugby player.

He’s young. Our coaches like geriatrics more.

Right so.

Saffer.

Do us a favour and break a few bog hoppers?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:54 pm

Sards wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:52 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:44 pm

Stupid chip in the 22, pass into touch, missed tackle. Yes. Awful.

Did you see the 5 stupid chip kicks and 3 missed tackles from Willemse

In 80 mins? Yes I did.
Willie only played 8 mins. Almost as many mistakes in 1/10 the time.

You must have forgotten to mention how bad he was. Just had time to attack Willie

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:53 pm

Both likely. I’d rather we have Moodie at 13 anyway.

Can't understand why he's not first choice. Beautiful rugby player.

He’s young. Our coaches like geriatrics more.

Yeah, it's nonsense. Kind of guy you can buld a back line around for ten years

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:57 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Can't understand why he's not first choice. Beautiful rugby player.

He’s young. Our coaches like geriatrics more.

Yeah, it's nonsense. Kind of guy you can buld a back line around for ten years

He only just came through the ranks. Had to dislodge a few scrumhalves to get there. Like Reinach and Hendricks

Sards wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:56 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:54 pm

Sards wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:52 pm

Did you see the 5 stupid chip kicks and 3 missed tackles from Willemse

In 80 mins? Yes I did.
Willie only played 8 mins. Almost as many mistakes in 1/10 the time.

You must have forgotten to mention how bad he was. Just had time to attack Willie

You’re a broken record on Willemse, Eggman. Yawn.

dabooldawg wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:55 pm Grant Williams is going to give Faf sleepless nights. That boy is the next Joost.

PsdT is finding some nice form.

DdA just needs to feck off. Seriously limited skills, no step, no distribution, no kicking game, missing tackles. I'll just take AE thanks.

Fat Frans needs to shape up.

Nervous start but we we got the win.

He was terrible but not all the wild passes were down to him. Lot of handing mistakes from the boks.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:59 pm

Sards wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:56 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:54 pm

In 80 mins? Yes I did.
Willie only played 8 mins. Almost as many mistakes in 1/10 the time.

You must have forgotten to mention how bad he was. Just had time to attack Willie

You’re a broken record on Willemse, Eggman. Yawn.

I am defending Willie here from your vicious attack , deliberately ignoring what transpired beforehand in the same position

Anyway. A less than convincing win. We went from sublime against the ABs to struggling against Scotland. No consistency

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:00 pm

dabooldawg wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:55 pm Grant Williams is going to give Faf sleepless nights. That boy is the next Joost.

PsdT is finding some nice form.

DdA just needs to feck off. Seriously limited skills, no step, no distribution, no kicking game, missing tackles. I'll just take AE thanks.

Fat Frans needs to shape up.

Nervous start but we we got the win.

He was terrible but not all the wild passes were down to him. Lot of handing mistakes from the boks.

Thats because DdA did not pass at all, so no chance to do wild passes. It has to be Esterhuizen against Ireland. I cant remember 1 time where the ball got past DdA in this game. He is our 9th forward in the game it seems.

DDA was rubbish. An attacking dead-end.

Best Boks were Kolisi, Wiese & PSDT. Just everywhere and owned the ruck.

SA power second half was a different dimension.
That pack really is class and seeing the bomb squad come on must be somewhat demoralising.
I wonder if Wales will be also booking their flights home later tonight.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:19 pm I thought penalising a squint lineout was a thing of the past.

Chilean hooker threw one that was about 45 degrees to his player standing 3 ft away.

Well done SA, pretty much as we have been expecting for 2 years.

One moan, if I may. The Saffers slowed down just about every ruck by getting a man beyond the ball who then “attempted” to get out the way by either diving straight over to his own side, or backing out our side, I thought you had to go to the sides? I think the ref blew once for it but it was multiple times in every phase. In saying that I also lost count of the number of times we didn’t have anyone, or just one back at a breakdown.

I wondered why the Kriel tackle wasn’t called at the time but missed all the half time replays so haven’t seen it again. My suspicion is it wouldn’t have mattered, but a bit of bad luck.

Anyway, no real complaints, as expected and not totally down about it. Think we have a better chance against Ireland because the line speed/completely off side, killed us

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:30 pm I wondered why the Kriel tackle wasn’t called at the time but missed all the half time replays so haven’t seen it again. My suspicion is it wouldn’t have mattered, but a bit of bad luck.

The officials apparently claiming they didn't see it. Unacceptable. Everybody in the world saw something that needed a closer look at and Gardner clearly told Ritchie that it had been looked at: so somebody is lying.

We were well beaten there. Just don't have the muscle and the depth to cope. I think SA look like favourites but the Ireland game will be interesting.

This is going to be tough going forward. Ireland will be looking to take the group on points difference and bonus points. Scotland have to beat them to get through. And the boks. Boks needed a bonus point this match.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:17 pm DDA was rubbish. An attacking dead-end.

Best Boks were Kolisi, Wiese & PSDT. Just everywhere and owned the ruck.

Between Wiese and PSDT for me. Not much in it tbh

We had to take any chances to be competitive. We had one and blew it

(I’m quite salty about this… who doesn’t give him the ball in that situation? Wtaf?)

Great performance from SA. Not griping, but when you see the replays.., gotta be the first citing, right?

Simian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:55 pm We had to take any chances to be competitive. We had one and blew it

(I’m quite salty about this… who doesn’t give him the ball in that situation? Wtaf?)

Great performance from SA. Not griping, but when you see the replays.., gotta be the first citing, right?

Yeah it's not like Darcy to do that. He should have given the ball and ran around in support in the unlikely event it was needed. Very frustrating.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 7:01 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:55 pm We had to take any chances to be competitive. We had one and blew it

(I’m quite salty about this… who doesn’t give him the ball in that situation? Wtaf?)

Great performance from SA. Not griping, but when you see the replays.., gotta be the first citing, right?

Yeah it's not like Darcy to do that. He should have given the ball and ran around in support in the unlikely event it was needed. Very frustrating.

It was annoying, but I could see what he was attempting, bit unlucky really

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:41 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:30 pm I wondered why the Kriel tackle wasn’t called at the time but missed all the half time replays so haven’t seen it again. My suspicion is it wouldn’t have mattered, but a bit of bad luck.

The officials apparently claiming they didn't see it. Unacceptable. Everybody in the world saw something that needed a closer look at and Gardner clearly told Ritchie that it had been looked at: so somebody is lying.

Seriously the score would be higher if Kriel got red. One less passenger.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 7:13 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:41 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:30 pm I wondered why the Kriel tackle wasn’t called at the time but missed all the half time replays so haven’t seen it again. My suspicion is it wouldn’t have mattered, but a bit of bad luck.

The officials apparently claiming they didn't see it. Unacceptable. Everybody in the world saw something that needed a closer look at and Gardner clearly told Ritchie that it had been looked at: so somebody is lying.

Seriously the score would be higher if Kriel got red. One less passenger.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:41 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:30 pm I wondered why the Kriel tackle wasn’t called at the time but missed all the half time replays so haven’t seen it again. My suspicion is it wouldn’t have mattered, but a bit of bad luck.

The officials apparently claiming they didn't see it. Unacceptable. Everybody in the world saw something that needed a closer look at and Gardner clearly told Ritchie that it had been looked at: so somebody is lying.

Not meaning to sound like a sore loser but appreciate it might come across like I am

But this is what I’m intrigued by

I don’t understand how that could have been looked at and judged ‘fine’. Which is what ref said happened.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 7:13 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:41 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:30 pm I wondered why the Kriel tackle wasn’t called at the time but missed all the half time replays so haven’t seen it again. My suspicion is it wouldn’t have mattered, but a bit of bad luck.

The officials apparently claiming they didn't see it. Unacceptable. Everybody in the world saw something that needed a closer look at and Gardner clearly told Ritchie that it had been looked at: so somebody is lying.

Seriously the score would be higher if Kriel got red. One less passenger.

Kriels defense was top notch. I don't know which game you and Sandstorm watched.

First angle, full speed it looked ok. I thought so too.

However there was clear footage of the head clash from the other Side and it’s Red all day long. No idea what TMO was up to.

Boks lucky. With one less player in the defence, Russell probably would have got his team mates through to score several times in the first half.

2nd half…..once we stopped kicking and Malherbe was hooked for bellyflopping, it was Boks all the way.

I also think it was a red, dont get me wrong but they must have looked at it in the background and maybe what saved him was that first contact was his open hand as he braced himself on contact?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 7:28 pm
However there was clear footage of the head clash from the other Side and it’s Red all day long. No idea what TMO was up to.

he was a terrible ref who only got a break because his dad was an international ref. it's embarrassing he's at the level he is and that was a nailed on red. not making excuses. it is what it is. but it's a wild day when you see what got cards in, say, the Chile game. and that wasn't caught? just wild!

Well done SA. Game ended up exactly as we predicted. We can’t put in an 80 minute performance, and that isn’t good enough against the real top sides.

I thought our only chance in this game would be an early red card for SA, and it sounds like it should maybe have happened. Would have been a crap way to win though.

If we could learn to play for 80 minutes, sort out our line out and figure out how to play teams like SA and Ireland, we would be a force to be reckoned with. But we have shown no signs of doing any of these things, so we’re destined to remain nearly men.

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:44 pm Match preview part 2 on the Scottish Rugby Blog:

https://www.scottishrugbyblog.co.uk/202 ... -to-heads/

Something not listed there is the Bok replacement frontrow heights.

The starting frontrow was all over 1.80m, Frans Malherbe and Malcom Marx are both 1.90m. But on the bench Ox/Bongi/Trevor are under 1.80m. The starting players are different challenge to the bench players, one group are closer to 1.90m and 120kg, the other are 1.80m or under and around 100kg-110kg. Ox is 1.76m he's not much taller than Kolbe and Faf, but is normally listed over 110kg, his body shape is a square. With the first group the main weapon is raw power, they hammered away for a half. The second group are significantly shorter (the important thing is the centre of gravity being lower, their knees/hips are lower), their main weapon is getting under an opposition frontrow (which they can do together because they're the same height), larger props like the ones Scotland have are what they're used to facing and defeating.

In the scrum battle the Scots had the upper hand by the end of the first half, Eben Etzebeth going off injured didn't help the Bok scrum, the 4 lock gives a lot of stability and power in a scrum and he's our best 4 lock. The same used to happen whenever Bakkies didn't play. But the replacement frontrow the Scots had no answer to in the second half, they wiped the Scottish scrum, and they're smaller than the frontrow which started.

Something similar tends to happen in the back three. If our small guys do something borderline, it's rarely noticed because they're small. But if an average sized or large opponent gets frustrated and tries to put a hit on them, then there's a much higher chance they'll be carded. Hout was the first supporter I saw who rated Kolbe really heavily (around 2012/2013), his reason was Kolbe was effective and would win cards from opponents being physically unable to get low enough fast enough. Both of Arendse and Kolbe did way more on attack and defence than Van Der Merwe, whenever Van Der Merwe got the ball he had a terrier on him relentlessly going for him, he managed fokkol against that and wasn't in the game. Size only starts being a definite advantage in those positions if there's a strong kicking game to go with it. "Big guy carrying vs small guy defending" happens rarely, and even that equation changes when the small guy was made of granite in the Boland some place. That blog pointed out the Boks were giving up 13kg per man to the Scots in the back three, but as the match showed it was irrelevant. Saffas have seen this dynamic in provincial rugby for a decade, after years the scoreboard forces you to realise the Stomps being midgets doesn't matter as much as you thought.

I'll need to watch it again, but a lot of Scottish tackling on Bok carriers close in seemed to end up around the neck/in head locks, particularly on Du Toit and de Allende. De Allende tried to tell the ref but he wasn't interested. Quite a few seatbelt tackles on Bok runners outwide, which is borderline if it ends up near the neck.

Boks stopped the Scottish close in on defence, which is what I said needed to happen to stop the Scottish attack functioning. Stop them close in to prevent them gaining momentum, then they can't move it wide. Russell became frustrated, he was ineffectual and leaked penalties trying to force stuff.

On first viewing only negative I'm seeing in that performance is the place kicking situation. The rest looks on track.

Great to see disco lights Rassie back. Hopefully we get some (fake) outrage from NH media about it, similar to the (fake) outrage over using the bench. It'll be hilarious and make the Boks stronger.

Surprised there's no comment about Gardener telling Bongi to basically fuck off, then looking around asking who the captain was ignoring Bongi because he could only talk to the captain, Bongi replies "I'm the captain", then Gardener immediately grovels and apologises perhaps knowing he had done something which would be unpopular with some passionate Bok supporters and that those guys tend not to leave it at shouting at the TV. He did a Nic Berry (who still hasn't reffed us since that test). It was a crazy moment.

Very happy for the win. Scotland was a concern for me.
Now it's practice runs till the Irish game in 2 weeks. A lot been said about the 2 pools of death. But the other opposition besides the top 2 are really cannon fodder. It's the quarters where it will matter. And with Ireland chasing bonus points and points difference, there is a lot of concern re the tight victory over Scotland.

We still have a brake in the midfield. An inconsistent kicker . And a lack of creativity in the backline.

The first play of the game for the Boks: from the restart we send the ball all the way down the backline and send our runner (not sure who it was) crashing into Duhan. We literally went looking for him, and after he hardly featured. I fucking love this team.

Scotland had to keep ball in hand to try and get scores back but it played into SA hands. I'd expect the ball to spend a lot of time in the air in the SA-Ireland match.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:56 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:42 am Scotland had to keep ball in hand to try and get scores back but it played into SA hands. I'd expect the ball to spend a lot of time in the air in the SA-Ireland match.

Nowhere near enough pressure on Libbock either. He is about as flakey as they come so how he wasn't a blubbering mess by the end is weird

Sards in 3.2.1 Oh no fuck its an Ier posting this.

dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:22 am Finn is going to be a marked man today and I expect him to be clobbered more than a few times. I suspect Scotland might try and change focus of attack and use Tups to spark a lot of back moves instead. It is going to be tough and it all depends on how our set piece goes, we need parity in scrum and line out and a big whiff of luck to win.

Unfortunately turned out as I feared! Line out and scrum were a struggle and they managed to close out Finn and give him a few late hits as well. We couldn't get enough good ball off set pieces and as a result our attack was blunted. A few ref decisions never went our way but in all reality we were bullied out of that game. However we go again.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:11 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:06 am

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:56 am

Nowhere near enough pressure on Libbock either. He is about as flakey as they come so how he wasn't a blubbering mess by the end is weird

Sards in 3.2.1 Oh no fuck its an Ier posting this.

He's been fairly shite most times I have seen him play. Granted that is about 6-8 times but still not a great return. I'd be spooked having him as first choice as overall you Saffers have the best squad

I love Libbok in 10. Granted hisplace kicking is a struggle but if he get it right, he is the best. That foot pass for KLA was a beaut. They need to put AE/Willemse and Moodie next to him to fully appreciate his vision. Ellende just bash it up.

With him in 10 the Boks surely changed from boring to exciting. Pollards place kicking can be shite at times but he is no Libbok in the other departments of flyhalf play.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:28 am With him in 10 the Boks surely changed from boring to exciting. Pollards place kicking can be shite at times but he is no Libbok in the other departments of flyhalf play.

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