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Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:14 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:02 am Didn't know about this. Further cements how much of a group of cunts Hamas are: https://www.timesofisrael.com/protests- ... y-persist/

It's unlikely this latest set of aggressions helps this cause, but there's a slim chance it might harden their determination.

I guess if Israel can actually take out Hamas, there could be enough of an opening. Don't see it happening though. That would really need to be Israel's end game here, take out the government, and hold elections, where anyone with a hamas affiliation is not allowed to run.

Various anti-Hamas Palestinian political forces condemned the terror group’s response to the spontaneous uprising.

The Palestinian Democratic Union (FIDA) and the Socialist Palestinian People’s Party, two smaller parties affiliated with the PLO, issued statements denouncing the use of force by Hamas to disperse the protesters, emphasizing the right of citizens to peaceful demonstration, and urging Hamas to start tackling Gaza’s numerous problems.

Salim al-Bardeni, secretary general of the Palestinian Arab Front, another nationalist faction affiliated with the PLO, did not mince words. In an interview with Voice of Palestine radio station, he said: “Hamas sucks the blood of our people in the Gaza Strip, through its rule over it and the transfer of its money abroad.

“Hamas, since its coup against the legitimate ruler [the PA], has not made any improvement to the infrastructure of the Gaza Strip, and has not been able to provide the basic services that our people are deprived of, such as electricity,” al-Bardeni added.

“The uprising of the people of Gaza against Hamas is not surprising even for those who voted for them in the 2006 elections,” he said, referencing the last elections held in the Palestinian territories, “because Hamas eventually reneged on all their slogans.”

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:17 am

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:01 am 1.1m people to move within 24 hours.No fuel or food or water.
Lol. That is quite incredible.

In 24 hours whilst constant bombardment including use of phosphorus bombs continue. Israel's allies really need to have a word.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:07 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:17 am

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:01 am 1.1m people to move within 24 hours.No fuel or food or water.
Lol. That is quite incredible.

In 24 hours whilst constant bombardment including use of phosphorus bombs continue. Israel's allies really need to have a word.

Link please.

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:36 am There were 30 million international flights in 2020.

To remove 9 million israelies to Arkansas etc, isn't an unimaginable objective..etc and yes..it would take time, but as israelies settle and put on their spurs.., they can make nice for those who come later (lets be honest lots and lots will head to Florida anyway).. This will basically be great for the US economy, as Isrealies will pay into the US tax system, great for Israelies as US taxes are far far lower than Israel, great for the Middle East, as Palistinians can occupy abandoned Illegal israeli settlements and Gaza won't be a burial ground for dead palistinian babies.

This is what peace looks like kids. The earlier you can accept it, in your brains the earlier it can start happenning.

Asked for comment on the allegations, Israel's military said it was "currently not aware of the use of weapons containing white phosphorus in Gaza."

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:43 am

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:36 am There were 30 million international flights in 2020.

To remove 9 million israelies to Arkansas etc, isn't an unimaginable objective..etc and yes..it would take time, but as israelies settle and put on their spurs.., they can make nice for those who come later (lets be honest lots and lots will head to Florida anyway).. This will basically be great for the US economy, as Isrealies will pay into the US tax system, great for Israelies as US taxes are far far lower than Israel, great for the Middle East, as Palistinians can occupy abandoned Illegal israeli settlements and Gaza won't be a burial ground for dead palistinian babies.

This is what peace looks like kids. The earlier you can accept it, in your brains the earlier it can start happenning.

You might as well beat a drum that says moving millions of people out of the West Bank and Palestine would be equal easy, perhaps even easier, less of them, and less being left behind

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:50 am

Asked for comment on the allegations, Israel's military said it was "currently not aware of the use of weapons containing white phosphorus in Gaza."

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:58 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:50 am

Asked for comment on the allegations, Israel's military said it was "currently not aware of the use of weapons containing white phosphorus in Gaza."

Israeli military? Fucks sake....

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:56 am For me, if a nuclear power is telling 1.1 million people to move, because it is about to unleash pure hell on them if they don't, call me stupid but it's time (as an Israeli) to say nope...fuck this. Where is the airport? My high taxes and unpleasant zionist Israeli neighbours ain't worth this shit.

I mean on a basic human level.

Say if dac was about to nuke or destroy ebbw, because his right wing anger, bitterness and resentment litterally has no bottom.....and he was leader of your tribe.. the least you would do is wonder if his company and Newport was fucking worth it.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:26 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:07 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:17 am

In 24 hours whilst constant bombardment including use of phosphorus bombs continue. Israel's allies really need to have a word.

Link please.

You are welcome

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:05 am I am also absolutely appalled by the criminal and barbaric attack by Israel using WMD on the Palestinian people of Gaza

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:05 am The culture wars on this has started already in the UK! Now a big debate about whether the FA should project the Israeli flag at Wembley tonight! FFS. Lots of right wing loons now calling the FA woke because they are not doing this and are blaming the links with rich ME states who own half of the EPL. BBC also getting it in the neck because they haven't called HAMAS as terrorists, despite the OFCOM guidance on this. Even photocopier salesman Shapps, ex National President of the Jewish Youth Organisation, getting in on the act on R4 today programme but being schooled in facts and OFCOM by the presenter. How feckin degrading has the UK politics got when the 'war on woke' and these issues are hitting the headlines whilst 1,000s of innocent men, women and children are being slaughtered daily in Israel and Gazza?

For my tuppence worth I am absolutely appalled by the criminal and barbaric attack by Hamas on the Israeli people and they must be found and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. I am also absolutely appalled but the criminal and barbaric attack by Israel using WMD on the Palestinian people of Gaza and they must be held to account and prosecuted for crimes against humanity and breaking international law. These two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Israel is in effect mirroring the same inhumane behaviour that it protests so strongly about. It is in danger of losing any support and sympathy by exacting an even worse retribution on the innocent Gaza population than it suffered itself at the hands of the barbarians from Hamas. The UK Gov is going to find itself in a very difficult place if Israel do as they are saying and wipe out 100,000's of innocent people in their pursuit of Hamas terrorists. Can it really continue to support a friendly Gov who wilfully ignore international law and kill innocent people in their hundreds of thousands and corralling the rest of the 2m population into a killing zone? This is going to get difficult!

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:04 am

From what I understand HRW has watched footage and decided that Israel was using white phosphorous in civilian locations. No other evidence, and just that source. Israel denies it (supposedly they stopped using it years/decade? ago).

To be honest, I'd take what they're saying with a pinch of salt, just as much as I expect a similar response from UNHRC

It is not clear if this incident would be considered a violation of the laws of armed conflict, Brian Castner, a weapons investigator with Amnesty International, who reviewed video of the Oct. 11 strike at The Post’s request wrote in an email.
“We would need to know more about the intended target of this attack, and the intended use of the white phosphorus, to make a definite legal judgment about this particular case,” Castner wrote. “But generally, any attacks that fail to discriminate between civilians and military forces can potentially be a violation of the laws of war.”

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:19 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:04 am

From what I understand HRW has watched footage and decided that Israel was using white phosphorous in civilian locations. No other evidence, and just that source. Israel denies it (supposedly they stopped using it years/decade? ago).

To be honest, I'd take what they're saying with a pinch of salt, just as much as I expect a similar response from UNHRC

There was an article in The Washington Post yesterday that stated the paper had verified the video HRW had published.

The article states

It is not clear if this incident would be considered a violation of the laws of armed conflict, Brian Castner, a weapons investigator with Amnesty International, who reviewed video of the Oct. 11 strike at The Post’s request wrote in an email.
“We would need to know more about the intended target of this attack, and the intended use of the white phosphorus, to make a definite legal judgment about this particular case,” Castner wrote. “But generally, any attacks that fail to discriminate between civilians and military forces can potentially be a violation of the laws of war.”

From what they say the uncertainty surrounds the target, not whether or not white phosphorous was used

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:41 am Tensions are high in the ME communities based her in the UK. The Jewish Community are horrified by the Hamas terrorist strikes on their family and friends and the Gaza community are horrified watching their family and friends dying at the hands of the Israeli gov. The UK Gov needs to provide leadership and direction here in UK and make it absolutely clear that as a community they/we will not tolerate any actions of behaviours that will heighten the tensions or break our laws. They should be sending out a message of tolerance within our communities and not increase tensions in any way. They need to provide leadership for the whole community whoever they are and whatever their ethnicity is. What we don't need is twats like Shapps trying to fight woke political wars against the BBC or the FA or the Cobynite nutters refusing to condemn Hamas.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:00 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:58 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:50 am

Israeli military? Fucks sake....

You literally took the first source you found and because it said Human Rights in the title you thought it was legit.

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:41 am Tensions are high in the ME communities based her in the UK. The Jewish Community are horrified by the Hamas terrorist strikes on their family and friends and the Gaza community are horrified watching their family and friends dying at the hands of the Israeli gov. The UK Gov needs to provide leadership and direction here in UK and make it absolutely clear that as a community they/we will not tolerate any actions of behaviours that will heighten the tensions or break our laws. They should be sending out a message of tolerance within our communities and not increase tensions in any way. They need to provide leadership for the whole community whoever they are and whatever their ethnicity is. What we don't need is twats like Shapps trying to fight woke political wars against the BBC or the FA or the Cobynite nutters refusing to condemn Hamas.

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:44 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:00 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:58 am

Israeli military? Fucks sake....

You literally took the first source you found and because it said Human Rights in the title you thought it was legit.

Wasn't me old boy, I was just laughing at you.

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:41 am Tensions are high in the ME communities based her in the UK. The Jewish Community are horrified by the Hamas terrorist strikes on their family and friends and the Gaza community are horrified watching their family and friends dying at the hands of the Israeli gov. The UK Gov needs to provide leadership and direction here in UK and make it absolutely clear that as a community they/we will not tolerate any actions of behaviours that will heighten the tensions or break our laws. They should be sending out a message of tolerance within our communities and not increase tensions in any way. They need to provide leadership for the whole community whoever they are and whatever their ethnicity is. What we don't need is twats like Shapps trying to fight woke political wars against the BBC or the FA or the Cobynite nutters refusing to condemn Hamas.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:46 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:41 am Tensions are high in the ME communities based her in the UK. The Jewish Community are horrified by the Hamas terrorist strikes on their family and friends and the Gaza community are horrified watching their family and friends dying at the hands of the Israeli gov. The UK Gov needs to provide leadership and direction here in UK and make it absolutely clear that as a community they/we will not tolerate any actions of behaviours that will heighten the tensions or break our laws. They should be sending out a message of tolerance within our communities and not increase tensions in any way. They need to provide leadership for the whole community whoever they are and whatever their ethnicity is. What we don't need is twats like Shapps trying to fight woke political wars against the BBC or the FA or the Cobynite nutters refusing to condemn Hamas.

There was a tv programme a few months ago made by David Baddiel, in it he went back to his old school where he read to children from time to time.
There was a section where the camera cut away from the classroom because the kids were about to do "active shooter training". This is in North London.
Rob Rinder was saying yesterday that Jewish children are being told to remove any identifying items, such as school names, from bags when they were on their way to school.

This is horrific.

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:05 am The culture wars on this has started already in the UK! Now a big debate about whether the FA should project the Israeli flag at Wembley tonight! FFS. Lots of right wing loons now calling the FA woke because they are not doing this and are blaming the links with rich ME states who own half of the EPL. BBC also getting it in the neck because they haven't called HAMAS as terrorists, despite the OFCOM guidance on this. Even photocopier salesman Shapps, ex National President of the Jewish Youth Organisation, getting in on the act on R4 today programme but being schooled in facts and OFCOM by the presenter. How feckin degrading has the UK politics got when the 'war on woke' and these issues are hitting the headlines whilst 1,000s of innocent men, women and children are being slaughtered daily in Israel and Gazza?

For my tuppence worth I am absolutely appalled by the criminal and barbaric attack by Hamas on the Israeli people and they must be found and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. I am also absolutely appalled but the criminal and barbaric attack by Israel using WMD on the Palestinian people of Gaza and they must be held to account and prosecuted for crimes against humanity and breaking international law. These two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Israel is in effect mirroring the same inhumane behaviour that it protests so strongly about. It is in danger of losing any support and sympathy by exacting an even worse retribution on the innocent Gaza population than it suffered itself at the hands of the barbarians from Hamas. The UK Gov is going to find itself in a very difficult place if Israel do as they are saying and wipe out 100,000's of innocent people in their pursuit of Hamas terrorists. Can it really continue to support a friendly Gov who wilfully ignore international law and kill innocent people in their hundreds of thousands and corralling the rest of the 2m population into a killing zone? This is going to get difficult!

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:50 am

Any comments on members of our own Scottish government writing in full support of Hamas and being one of the only governments not to make a gesture of solidarity with Israel?

I am writing concerning the horrific terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas over the weekend, and the escalating conflict in Israel and Gaza.

The Scottish Government and I unequivocally condemn the abhorrent terrorist actions of Hamas. Israel – like any other country – has a right to protect itself and its citizens from terror.

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:50 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:05 am The culture wars on this has started already in the UK! Now a big debate about whether the FA should project the Israeli flag at Wembley tonight! FFS. Lots of right wing loons now calling the FA woke because they are not doing this and are blaming the links with rich ME states who own half of the EPL. BBC also getting it in the neck because they haven't called HAMAS as terrorists, despite the OFCOM guidance on this. Even photocopier salesman Shapps, ex National President of the Jewish Youth Organisation, getting in on the act on R4 today programme but being schooled in facts and OFCOM by the presenter. How feckin degrading has the UK politics got when the 'war on woke' and these issues are hitting the headlines whilst 1,000s of innocent men, women and children are being slaughtered daily in Israel and Gazza?

For my tuppence worth I am absolutely appalled by the criminal and barbaric attack by Hamas on the Israeli people and they must be found and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. I am also absolutely appalled but the criminal and barbaric attack by Israel using WMD on the Palestinian people of Gaza and they must be held to account and prosecuted for crimes against humanity and breaking international law. These two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Israel is in effect mirroring the same inhumane behaviour that it protests so strongly about. It is in danger of losing any support and sympathy by exacting an even worse retribution on the innocent Gaza population than it suffered itself at the hands of the barbarians from Hamas. The UK Gov is going to find itself in a very difficult place if Israel do as they are saying and wipe out 100,000's of innocent people in their pursuit of Hamas terrorists. Can it really continue to support a friendly Gov who wilfully ignore international law and kill innocent people in their hundreds of thousands and corralling the rest of the 2m population into a killing zone? This is going to get difficult!

Any comments on members of our own Scottish government writing in full support of Hamas and being one of the only governments not to make a gesture of solidarity with Israel?

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:55 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:43 am

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:36 am There were 30 million international flights in 2020.

To remove 9 million israelies to Arkansas etc, isn't an unimaginable objective..etc and yes..it would take time, but as israelies settle and put on their spurs.., they can make nice for those who come later (lets be honest lots and lots will head to Florida anyway).. This will basically be great for the US economy, as Isrealies will pay into the US tax system, great for Israelies as US taxes are far far lower than Israel, great for the Middle East, as Palistinians can occupy abandoned Illegal israeli settlements and Gaza won't be a burial ground for dead palistinian babies.

This is what peace looks like kids. The earlier you can accept it, in your brains the earlier it can start happenning.

You might as well beat a drum that says moving millions of people out of the West Bank and Palestine would be equal easy, perhaps even easier, less of them, and less being left behind

Indeed, and it would appear that Gaza is having a practice run to the South of the country as we speak.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:03 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:50 am

Any comments on members of our own Scottish government writing in full support of Hamas and being one of the only governments not to make a gesture of solidarity with Israel?

Eh?


To: Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs, James Cleverly
From: First Minister Humza Yousaf

I am writing concerning the horrific terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas over the weekend, and the escalating conflict in Israel and Gaza.

The Scottish Government and I unequivocally condemn the abhorrent terrorist actions of Hamas. Israel – like any other country – has a right to protect itself and its citizens from terror.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/israe ... overnment/

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:30 am HRW? Fucks sake......

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:49 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:30 am HRW? Fucks sake......

What's the issue with HRW? One of my friends works there and she is pretty credible I would say.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:03 pm

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:49 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:30 am HRW? Fucks sake......

What's the issue with HRW? One of my friends works there and she is pretty credible I would say.

It hasn't got that a great of a reputation depending on whom you ask. it's been caught, shall we say, fibbing in order to benefit a cause, before.

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:36 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:03 pm

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:49 am

What's the issue with HRW? One of my friends works there and she is pretty credible I would say.

It hasn't got that a great of a reputation depending on whom you ask. it's been caught, shall we say, fibbing in order to benefit a cause, before.

I've never heard of them.