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Sandstorm wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:21 am

_Os_ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:19 am

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:53 am

Hysterical much?

No that's what is happening so far. Maybe do some reading about what happened to the 2011 rioters? Starmer relaxed the threshold for pressing charges suspects under the age of 18 were charged for minor offences (against longstanding advice), crimes usually charged as theft were charged for the more serious burglary, a student went down for 6 months for stealing a bottle of water, Starmer pushed for maximum sentences in all cases. Emergency night courts were established to fast track the convictions.

Jails are full, bro. Where are they going to put all those women and children? Millennium Stadium?

There's plenty of space in Rwanda

Full on riot going down in Sunderland right now. Looks like they attacked a taxi because the driver was brown, tried to march on the Mosque and were beaten back violently by riot police, and have now forced entry into what looks like a satellite police station and are in the process of burning it down. Lots of them are masked up now, so they're not all total morons. They just look like terrorists now. Not the old school NF/BNP guy wondering around with large Nazi tattoos though, he's decided it's best to go about things bare face whilst being live streamed.

They're challenging the British state from within. Has not gone well for people who've attempted that in recent times. The labour unions were larger, better organised, had more public support and were utterly broken by the Tories in the 1980s. Under the Tories from 2010 onwards the ability to protest at all was undermined. All these laws still exist. The only people who took on the British state from within and won in recent times, and it's highly qualified with losses and caveats, is the IRA.

If Sunderland right now is anything to go by, tomorrow is going to be "interesting".

The IRA beat the British state?!?!


Riots have largely been in very white areas so far. If they spread to more mixed areas things could get very bad very quickly.

sefton wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:33 am

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:21 am

_Os_ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:19 am
No that's what is happening so far. Maybe do some reading about what happened to the 2011 rioters? Starmer relaxed the threshold for pressing charges suspects under the age of 18 were charged for minor offences (against longstanding advice), crimes usually charged as theft were charged for the more serious burglary, a student went down for 6 months for stealing a bottle of water, Starmer pushed for maximum sentences in all cases. Emergency night courts were established to fast track the convictions.

Jails are full, bro. Where are they going to put all those women and children? Millennium Stadium?

Time to roll out the Bibby Stockholm.

That would be funny.

Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:36 pm The IRA beat the British state?!?!

Well the British state didn't win and get everything it wanted and nor did the IRA give up armed conflict for nothing. It's not the miners strike, where one side got nothing and the other everything. NI Unionists do not feel like winners if you've talked to many of them, high emigration rate among people from a prod background about our age too.

Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:36 pm Riots have largely been in very white areas so far. If they spread to more mixed areas things could get very bad very quickly.

Lots of theories about the places being targeted. The organising is happening mostly on Telegram (a Russian social media platform), but the events are being promoted on the usual US platforms for a wider audience. The UK has no influence over Telegram, but could make accessing it harder, probably not going to do much though. Naturally there's conspiracies about the Russians.

What makes most sense is they've picked places with small Muslim and racial minority populations, that are easy for hooligan firms to travel to. Precisely because there'll be less push back from the local populations when they start isolating and targeting people/Mosques/houses/businesses.

I'm careful not to post any of the material about where riots/protests are scheduled to happen, I'm fairly sure that is illegal to share. I'm not even posting video of the riots. But it's about 30 scheduled events now, a lot of places to check the demographics of and where in the league their local football team is, and the transport links.

It's not that hard to find the list of places targeted for protests ( which is kinda the point I guess). Even High Wycombe of all places - which does though have a significant Muslim population. At this point there isn't even any pretence that this is a "protest" and it's clearly intended to stir up hatred.

Yes, somewhere like Wycombe could really kick this all off.

Yeah then the shit will hit the fan

_Os_ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:09 pm Full on riot going down in Sunderland right now. Looks like they attacked a taxi because the driver was brown, tried to march on the Mosque and were beaten back violently by riot police, and have now forced entry into what looks like a satellite police station and are in the process of burning it down. Lots of them are masked up now, so they're not all total morons. They just look like terrorists now. Not the old school NF/BNP guy wondering around with large Nazi tattoos though, he's decided it's best to go about things bare face whilst being live streamed.

They're challenging the British state from within. Has not gone well for people who've attempted that in recent times. The labour unions were larger, better organised, had more public support and were utterly broken by the Tories in the 1980s. Under the Tories from 2010 onwards the ability to protest at all was undermined. All these laws still exist. The only people who took on the British state from within and won in recent times, and it's highly qualified with losses and caveats, is the IRA.

If Sunderland right now is anything to go by, tomorrow is going to be "interesting".

And the BBC still refers to these racist pieces of shit as "protestors". The BBC's constant platforming of the usual suspects has led to this sort of shit.

Finally a Tory speaks out. It's probably gone from relief that it didn't happen on their watch, to an anti Labour attack line, to now realising that this is something serious that concerns their own interests and well-being too ( especially given their overreaction to threats/danger from anti Israel / pro Palestinian protests lately )

tabascoboy wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:26 am It's not that hard to find the list of places targeted for protests ( which is kinda the point I guess). Even High Wycombe of all places - which does though have a significant Muslim population. At this point there isn't even any pretence that this is a "protest" and it's clearly intended to stir up hatred.

Bristol was the one I laughed at. Until you factor in Bristol has two lower league football teams, other teams within a short travelling distance are Cardiff, Swindon and Oxford. All 5 of those teams have notorious hooligans (in Swindon's case multiple firms with an extremely violent past, there's a reason every other team has an unreciprocated rivalry with them).

You can see how this would be difficult for police intelligence, very difficult to know if that's going to be nothing or something big.

Interesting development. Some very pro-Muslim accounts (Palestinian flags etc) on Twitter have started trying to identify these people. Definitely one catch from the Sunderland protest, a middle aged woman in pink shorts throwing bins at riot police, she owns a small business which has a Facebook page with photos of her. This isn't a Farage milk shake situation, she has quite a unique look and favours wearing pink.

Still think she escapes because she's a woman, SS? She was active in a "protest" in which a brown man's taxi was attacked and torched, a mosque was marched on, a police station was attacked and burned down, and specific shops were targeted and looted (I wonder why some were targeted and not others?). Maximum sentence for violent disorder is 5 years.

Newsnight reported last night that Starmer has freed up 70 crown prosecutors to handle the incoming caseload.

_Os_ wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:09 am Interesting development. Some very pro-Muslim accounts (Palestinian flags etc) on Twitter have started trying to identify these people. Definitely one catch from the Sunderland protest, a middle aged woman in pink shorts throwing bins at riot police, she owns a small business which has a Facebook page with photos of her. This isn't a Farage milk shake situation, she has quite a unique look and favours wearing pink.

Still think she escapes because she's a woman, SS? She was active in a "protest" in which a brown man's taxi was attacked and torched, a mosque was marched on, a police station was attacked and burned down, and specific shops were targeted and looted (I wonder why some were targeted and not others?). Maximum sentence for violent disorder is 5 years.

Newsnight reported last night that Starmer has freed up 70 crown prosecutors to handle the incoming caseload.

Not sure why they torched and destroyed the local Citizens Advice Bureau. Probably thought it was helping too many immigrants

SaintK wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:43 am

_Os_ wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:09 am Interesting development. Some very pro-Muslim accounts (Palestinian flags etc) on Twitter have started trying to identify these people. Definitely one catch from the Sunderland protest, a middle aged woman in pink shorts throwing bins at riot police, she owns a small business which has a Facebook page with photos of her. This isn't a Farage milk shake situation, she has quite a unique look and favours wearing pink.

Still think she escapes because she's a woman, SS? She was active in a "protest" in which a brown man's taxi was attacked and torched, a mosque was marched on, a police station was attacked and burned down, and specific shops were targeted and looted (I wonder why some were targeted and not others?). Maximum sentence for violent disorder is 5 years.

Newsnight reported last night that Starmer has freed up 70 crown prosecutors to handle the incoming caseload.

Not sure why they torched and destroyed the local Citizens Advice Bureau. Probably thought it was helping too many immigrants

They may have thought it was part of what looked like a satellite police station? Some reports that they didn't torch the police unit, but the unit next to it, which I'm guessing is the Citizens Advice Bureau? It was a large fire.

8 arrested at the Sunderland "protest", reports that burglary is among the charges. That wasn't put into context by the reporting, but as per previous posts on the 2011 riots (burglary being a more serious offence than theft) it indicates the authorities are going in hard.

Video out there with grim optics. Stagecoach bus stopped/abandoned in the middle of the road (has Grangetown on its electronic board, a suburb of Sunderland). A handful of black and Asian people are crammed in at the front around the driver's seat, the black woman looks absolutely terrified. Masked whites around the bus are laughing and some are entering the bus through the side door emergency exit. The video then ends.

It's like a cut price Chav remake of Kristallnacht.

_Os_ wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:12 am

tabascoboy wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:26 am It's not that hard to find the list of places targeted for protests ( which is kinda the point I guess). Even High Wycombe of all places - which does though have a significant Muslim population. At this point there isn't even any pretence that this is a "protest" and it's clearly intended to stir up hatred.

Bristol was the one I laughed at. Until you factor in Bristol has two lower league football teams, other teams within a short travelling distance are Cardiff, Swindon and Oxford. All 5 of those teams have notorious hooligans (in Swindon's case multiple firms with an extremely violent past, there's a reason every other team has an unreciprocated rivalry with them).

You can see how this would be difficult for police intelligence, very difficult to know if that's going to be nothing or something big.

I know you are enjoying all this, but some of your posts today are just wild

Slick wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:20 am

_Os_ wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:12 am

tabascoboy wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:26 am It's not that hard to find the list of places targeted for protests ( which is kinda the point I guess). Even High Wycombe of all places - which does though have a significant Muslim population. At this point there isn't even any pretence that this is a "protest" and it's clearly intended to stir up hatred.

Bristol was the one I laughed at. Until you factor in Bristol has two lower league football teams, other teams within a short travelling distance are Cardiff, Swindon and Oxford. All 5 of those teams have notorious hooligans (in Swindon's case multiple firms with an extremely violent past, there's a reason every other team has an unreciprocated rivalry with them).

You can see how this would be difficult for police intelligence, very difficult to know if that's going to be nothing or something big.

I know you are enjoying all this, but some of your posts today are just wild

My knowledge of the West Country and their lower league football rivalries >>>>>>>>>> whatever yours is.

Swindon's most amusing non-reciprocated rivalry is with Gillingham. Literally killed a Gillingham fan back in the day, for Gillingham playing Swindon is the centre of the their world, for Swindon it's a joke.

Some of these protests thankfully look mostly peaceful, Belfast's anti-fascist counter protest looks larger than the actual "protest".

Stoke on Trent looks very nasty though, Muslims defending their mosque, earlier in the day racist football hooligan chants from the protestors "go make us a kebab" etc. That's escalated into conflict between the two groups (as the day goes on so does the drinking). Looks like at least one white guy stabbed up and out of it on the ground, reports of another (there are images, but hard to confirm for sure it's current/not from some other event). Police looking impotent and trapped in the middle there.

Hull a migrant hotel was being attacked riot police have beaten them back.

_Os_ wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:54 pm Some of these protests thankfully look mostly peaceful, Belfast's anti-fascist counter protest looks larger than the actual "protest".

Stoke on Trent looks very nasty though, Muslims defending their mosque, earlier in the day racist football hooligan chants from the protestors "go make us a kebab" etc. That's escalated into conflict between the two groups (as the day goes on so does the drinking). Looks like at least one white guy stabbed up and out of it on the ground, reports of another (there are images, but hard to confirm for sure it's current/not from some other event). Police looking impotent and trapped in the middle there.

Hull a migrant hotel was being attacked riot police have beaten them back.

Also allegedly a hammer attack. Disturbing and not too mention very stupid. While we don't know the circumstances, this serves only to give the movement confirmation that they are "right" and fuel things further - especially if police are unable to identify and arrest the attacker.

Ox used to live in Swindon, I used to work there. We know what kind of scum inhabit that town.

tabascoboy wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:38 pm

_Os_ wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:54 pm Some of these protests thankfully look mostly peaceful, Belfast's anti-fascist counter protest looks larger than the actual "protest".

Stoke on Trent looks very nasty though, Muslims defending their mosque, earlier in the day racist football hooligan chants from the protestors "go make us a kebab" etc. That's escalated into conflict between the two groups (as the day goes on so does the drinking). Looks like at least one white guy stabbed up and out of it on the ground, reports of another (there are images, but hard to confirm for sure it's current/not from some other event). Police looking impotent and trapped in the middle there.

Hull a migrant hotel was being attacked riot police have beaten them back.

Also allegedly a hammer attack. Disturbing and not too mention very stupid. While we don't know the circumstances, this serves only to give the movement confirmation that they are "right" and fuel things further - especially if police are unable to identify and arrest the attacker.

Well they may just be unfounded rumours after all...

Four men arrested in Stoke-on-Trent
Four men have been arrested in Stoke-on-Trent after disorder there.

Police denied claims on social media there had been a stabbing.

Staffordshire Police said: "There is growing speculation that a stabbing has taken place as a result of the disorder today.

"We can confirm this information is false."

However, it did say one man was injured after being "hit by a blunt object that was thrown".

His injuries are not thought to be serious.

"Four men have been arrested in connection with the disorder and are currently in custody for questioning," the force said.

Another idiot hit by a brick thrown my his own side. These guys are clowns!

Some of the scenes today are absolutely grim - people with brown or black skin targeted by the rump of white nationalists.

Completely unacceptable and I hope the book is thrown at the culprits.

Grasping at the postives - I think we have known the EDL and various people have being palnning this for a while and used the murders last week as the excuse - hopefully they can now be identified.

The government need to give the police the tools to deal with this kind of discorder - its clearly not going to stop particluary given apps and social media that allow this to be organised. The bans on watercannon and other tools must be lifted.

Throw a couple of bullets at these cunts. Make ‘em want to stay home next time.

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 5:12 pm Ox used to live in Swindon, I used to work there. We know what kind of scum inhabit that town.

Any part of the town that starts with a P or ends in the word Hill is best avoided "innit mate".

Watched some of the Sky live reporting from Bristol. Seems there were fights between the anti-fascists (look like students and actual Bristolians) and the "protestors" (obvious football hooligans), but they were separated by a heavy police presence (riot police, dogs, horses). The "protestors" are heavily outnumbered by the anti-fascists and police, but they're madmen and didn't seem too concerned. They seem to enjoy going up against riot police and being hit with batons. Some arrests. I would put that one in the "mostly peaceful" pile.

Wouldn't be surprised if some Swindon hooligans who managed to briefly get their fists on lefty student types, have had the most fun they've had since Di Canio (an openly fascist Italian) was their manager and they Nazi saluted him from the hooligan part of the home ground (which is of course most of an entire stand). Laughed when I saw groups of literal skinheads in the Bristol "protest", not sure how far it goes back (at least to the days of the SAS/Swindon Active Service and the wars with Oxford) but a definite Swindon hooligan trait.

Also happening today.

My town's population doubles over this weekend every year

tc27 wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:27 pm Some of the scenes today are absolutely grim - people with brown or black skin targeted by the rump of white nationalists.

Completely unacceptable and I hope the book is thrown at the culprits.

Grasping at the postives - I think we have known the EDL and various people have being palnning this for a while and used the murders last week as the excuse - hopefully they can now be identified.

The government need to give the police the tools to deal with this kind of discorder - its clearly not going to stop particluary given apps and social media that allow this to be organised. The bans on watercannon and other tools must be lifted.

Absolutely not on giving more tools. You need to repair some of the social contract with people across generations and regions. The Tories have fanned the flames while brutally increasing inequality in everyway and we need to be honest about this. Giving more tools won't improve it in the long term.

petej wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:41 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:27 pm Some of the scenes today are absolutely grim - people with brown or black skin targeted by the rump of white nationalists.

Completely unacceptable and I hope the book is thrown at the culprits.

Grasping at the postives - I think we have known the EDL and various people have being palnning this for a while and used the murders last week as the excuse - hopefully they can now be identified.

The government need to give the police the tools to deal with this kind of discorder - its clearly not going to stop particluary given apps and social media that allow this to be organised. The bans on watercannon and other tools must be lifted.

Absolutely not on giving more tools. You need to repair some of the social contract with people across generations and regions. The Tories have fanned the flames while brutally increasing inequality in everyway and we need to be honest about this. Giving more tools won't improve it in the long term.

Tories being dicks is a reason to attack people outside their place of worship? And we should try to understand these hooligans?

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:37 pm Also happening today.

My town's population doubles over this weekend every year

Good stuff.

Also about 50m from my front door a big gathering of about 400 West Africans that had the whole beach dancing and loving it. It’s not all bad

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:43 pm

petej wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:41 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:27 pm Some of the scenes today are absolutely grim - people with brown or black skin targeted by the rump of white nationalists.

Completely unacceptable and I hope the book is thrown at the culprits.

Grasping at the postives - I think we have known the EDL and various people have being palnning this for a while and used the murders last week as the excuse - hopefully they can now be identified.

The government need to give the police the tools to deal with this kind of discorder - its clearly not going to stop particluary given apps and social media that allow this to be organised. The bans on watercannon and other tools must be lifted.

Absolutely not on giving more tools. You need to repair some of the social contract with people across generations and regions. The Tories have fanned the flames while brutally increasing inequality in everyway and we need to be honest about this. Giving more tools won't improve it in the long term.

Tories being dicks is a reason to attack people outside their place of worship? And we should try to understand these hooligans?

No. We don't need more tools. It is reactionary.

Labour need to do some actual real levelling. Not new labour or Obama type bullshit but some actual levelling.

Levelling is possible but needs probably 3 terms to start making a change, that’s if they really commit.

Let’s see

petej wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:41 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:27 pm Some of the scenes today are absolutely grim - people with brown or black skin targeted by the rump of white nationalists.

Completely unacceptable and I hope the book is thrown at the culprits.

Grasping at the postives - I think we have known the EDL and various people have being palnning this for a while and used the murders last week as the excuse - hopefully they can now be identified.

The government need to give the police the tools to deal with this kind of discorder - its clearly not going to stop particluary given apps and social media that allow this to be organised. The bans on watercannon and other tools must be lifted.

Absolutely not on giving more tools. You need to repair some of the social contract with people across generations and regions. The Tories have fanned the flames while brutally increasing inequality in everyway and we need to be honest about this. Giving more tools won't improve it in the long term.

Sure but in the short term you need to deter rioting.

And...the 2/3k of people who are going to behave like this aren't going to be mollified by a community center or a renovated playground or even better public serves.

They nee

tc27 wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:18 pm Sure but in the short term you need to deter rioting.

And...the 2/3k of people who are going to behave like this aren't going to be mollified by a community center or a renovated playground or even better public serves.

They're all going to be locked up for quite awhile. They're clearly challenge the UK state (getting technical specifically its monopoly on the use of violence). Zero doubt in my mind they're getting stiff sentences.

I don't know if you've ever been to an English football ground that has had a hooligan problem (not really an issue at the top of English football for many years now, probably because of the money), but the standard policing is a heavy police presence especially for big derbies (helicopter above the stadium, mounted police, dog units, at least some riot police, surveillance unit). You basically feel like you're a criminal or in a dystopian movie. It's a shit experience and the actual sport is shit too. The sort of thing you do once or twice then never again. It must cost a huge amount to police it all and prevent violence, then there's all the policing around the stadium before and after the match too.

It's a subculture that's contained and most have forgotten exists. That subculture has now discovered a way to circumvent their containment by ignoring the football element entirely, but still arranging fixtures on the weekend to go out and fight.

Anyway, all going to jail ...

I have never forgotten telling man after man in cell after cell how long they would get in prison for the 2011 London riots.
Once enthusiasm for lobbing bins at police has waned, once your pals have been arrested, once the booze & adrenaline subside - you realise.
Then regret.
Guess who won’t be coming along to give character evidence at your sentencing hearing? It’s the anonymous idiots-on-the-internet who inspired you to be the worst version of yourself after a few cans of beer and too much time on Facebook.
Ask any lawyer who blearily pressed the cell buzzer at Highbury Corner Magistrates’ Court in the early hours of those hot, dangerous days in August 2011.
There’s always a reckoning.

The video coming out of Hull is grim. Don't even know where to start describing it all.

Looking through video around lunch Stoke on Trent was clearly the worst, then Hull (masked "protestors" had attacked a migrant hotel throwing objects at it, and riot police beat them back). The others back then were "mostly peaceful", ie definitely some fights/scuffles but contained.

Hull is above anything else now, very disturbing seeing the sky filled with smoke from whatever is burning and racist attacks happening, shops being looted and destroyed. It's a complete loss of law and order.

_Os_ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:09 pm Full on riot going down in Sunderland right now. Looks like they attacked a taxi because the driver was brown, tried to march on the Mosque and were beaten back violently by riot police, and have now forced entry into what looks like a satellite police station and are in the process of burning it down. Lots of them are masked up now, so they're not all total morons. They just look like terrorists now. Not the old school NF/BNP guy wondering around with large Nazi tattoos though, he's decided it's best to go about things bare face whilst being live streamed.

They're challenging the British state from within. Has not gone well for people who've attempted that in recent times. The labour unions were larger, better organised, had more public support and were utterly broken by the Tories in the 1980s. Under the Tories from 2010 onwards the ability to protest at all was undermined. All these laws still exist. The only people who took on the British state from within and won in recent times, and it's highly qualified with losses and caveats, is the IRA.

If Sunderland right now is anything to go by, tomorrow is going to be "interesting".

So Sunderland Football team not doing well then?

When even the Torygraph and Excess are calling the rioters "far-Right", then you know that that the use of this label really isn't an exaggeration...though of course The Mail blames a Labour Government less than a month old.. Kind of ironic that these are the people the right wing media have been appealing to keep in the Tory fold and not go to Reform.

tc27 wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:18 pm

petej wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:41 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:27 pm Some of the scenes today are absolutely grim - people with brown or black skin targeted by the rump of white nationalists.

Completely unacceptable and I hope the book is thrown at the culprits.

Grasping at the postives - I think we have known the EDL and various people have being palnning this for a while and used the murders last week as the excuse - hopefully they can now be identified.

The government need to give the police the tools to deal with this kind of discorder - its clearly not going to stop particluary given apps and social media that allow this to be organised. The bans on watercannon and other tools must be lifted.

Absolutely not on giving more tools. You need to repair some of the social contract with people across generations and regions. The Tories have fanned the flames while brutally increasing inequality in everyway and we need to be honest about this. Giving more tools won't improve it in the long term.

Sure but in the short term you need to deter rioting.

And...the 2/3k of people who are going to behave like this aren't going to be mollified by a community center or a renovated playground or even better public serves.

They nee

This! These hooligans have always been around - I remember them from the 70s and 80s. To try and explain their current racist behaviors away because of inequality or whatever is somewhat naive and detracts from the real debate needed to deal with the shite deal our young folk are getting at the moment. There have always been racist right wing nut jobs around looking for any excuse to create unrest and unease in the wider society so they can peddle their racist, fascist shite. They are a bit like a virus, they are difficult to get rid of and can remain unnoticed in a host body but once there is a weakness or opportunity they can break out and cause a painful irritation - a bit like shingles?

The tactics they are using now are broadly no different than those used by Oswald Mosley in the 1930s but aided by social media. Remember Mosley was a Baronet and a Sir and was also an antismite and holocaust denier who used fascism to further his rancid ideologies and created his Blackshirts to 'support' his political rallies. Supported by Lord Rothmere he tried hard to win a seat in HoC under the BUF but failed including in Stoke. Interned during the war and failing to get his political career off the ground he ended up living out his life in France. All this seems vaguely familiar? It is uncanny how the racist thugs get fooled into following an upper class twat, supported by a complaint media, who uses them purely as cannon fodder to pursue his own political ambitions?

Jethro wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:56 pm

_Os_ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:09 pm Full on riot going down in Sunderland right now. Looks like they attacked a taxi because the driver was brown, tried to march on the Mosque and were beaten back violently by riot police, and have now forced entry into what looks like a satellite police station and are in the process of burning it down. Lots of them are masked up now, so they're not all total morons. They just look like terrorists now. Not the old school NF/BNP guy wondering around with large Nazi tattoos though, he's decided it's best to go about things bare face whilst being live streamed.

They're challenging the British state from within. Has not gone well for people who've attempted that in recent times. The labour unions were larger, better organised, had more public support and were utterly broken by the Tories in the 1980s. Under the Tories from 2010 onwards the ability to protest at all was undermined. All these laws still exist. The only people who took on the British state from within and won in recent times, and it's highly qualified with losses and caveats, is the IRA.

If Sunderland right now is anything to go by, tomorrow is going to be "interesting".

So Sunderland Football team not doing well then?

Certainly a strong hooliganism Venn diagram. Medium sized town. A shithole. Football side which will never be top flight. Voted for Brexit. There were some "protestors" wearing Sunderland shirts and balaclavas venting their "legitimate concerns", hardcore hooligans don't bother with replica shirts though obviously.

Amusingly from that protest only two days ago ... the bare faced and bare chested Neo-Nazi guy has already been arrested, as has the bin throwing woman small business owner.

_Os_ wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:24 am

Jethro wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:56 pm

_Os_ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:09 pm Full on riot going down in Sunderland right now. Looks like they attacked a taxi because the driver was brown, tried to march on the Mosque and were beaten back violently by riot police, and have now forced entry into what looks like a satellite police station and are in the process of burning it down. Lots of them are masked up now, so they're not all total morons. They just look like terrorists now. Not the old school NF/BNP guy wondering around with large Nazi tattoos though, he's decided it's best to go about things bare face whilst being live streamed.

They're challenging the British state from within. Has not gone well for people who've attempted that in recent times. The labour unions were larger, better organised, had more public support and were utterly broken by the Tories in the 1980s. Under the Tories from 2010 onwards the ability to protest at all was undermined. All these laws still exist. The only people who took on the British state from within and won in recent times, and it's highly qualified with losses and caveats, is the IRA.

If Sunderland right now is anything to go by, tomorrow is going to be "interesting".

So Sunderland Football team not doing well then?

Certainly a strong hooliganism Venn diagram. Medium sized town. A shithole. Football side which will never be top flight. Voted for Brexit. There were some "protestors" wearing Sunderland shirts and balaclavas venting their "legitimate concerns", hardcore hooligans don't bother with replica shirts though obviously.

Amusingly from that protest only two days ago ... the bare faced and bare chested Neo-Nazi guy has already been arrested, as has the bin throwing woman small business owner.

Quite a few of these rioters will already been known to police, either through their involvement in football hooliganism or because they are criminals with a previous record. Once the police have a photo of them, they won't be hard to identify, and should be expecting an early morning knock on the door in the next few days.

Not overly impressed with this 24/7 courts, long arm of the law bollocks. Successive governments have absolutely screwed the criminal justice system in this country for decades and the lack of fear of the consequences is clearly part of the current problem, but now they can seem to find the resources and we are meant to applaud. Fuck off.