A place where escape goats go to play
https://notplanetrugby.com/
All my posts are in peace. I hope you find solace soon from this cruel world that has you so downtrodden. I forgive you also for your prejudice and hatred. Hopefully we have all learned something today .I certainly have . You can even meet cunts on Sundays.
Bloody hell - you are the little boy who runs to the teacher at the slightest provocation, aren't you? In fact, I think you even make up stuff to run to the teacher about.Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:59 pm"You" have have, yes, been wrong for the last 2020 years*, to borrow your phrase. Homophobes (and antti-LGBTs) such as you should be unwelcome on any decent chat forum.
* is that 2020 year thing a reference to evangelical christian sky-fairy beliefs?
I will leave it to the moderators to show some spine on this.
Thanks Enzedder.Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:32 pmBloody hell - you are the little boy who runs to the teacher at the slightest provocation, aren't you? In fact, I think you even make up stuff to run to the teacher about.Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:59 pm"You" have have, yes, been wrong for the last 2020 years*, to borrow your phrase. Homophobes (and antti-LGBTs) such as you should be unwelcome on any decent chat forum.
* is that 2020 year thing a reference to evangelical christian sky-fairy beliefs?
I will leave it to the moderators to show some spine on this.
Read back and see how you've manipulated this chat to the point where you have started bawling - it's pathetic.
Perhaps not.Steve wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:55 pmAh we are in agreement so . I agree . I’m interested in having open and fair discussions on any topic once it’s spoken about under its own merits and there isn’t a presumption of what my opinion would be on other topics .Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:50 pmI'm at a bit of a loss to understand what you are trying to say here.Steve wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:15 am
Im not from the UK but using adjectives like loons to describe someone who has an alternative view to you is probably where the discourse starts to break down .
People dig their trenches online now and climb in and hunker down. No one seems to enter into a conversation in good faith willing to have their mind changed. It is a series of monologues instead of a conversation. The UK and the USA are in the vanguard of this madness.
If I gave you my own personal example ...Im pro gay marriage, pro abortion (foetuses up until the age of 23 heheh), pro legalising marijuana, pro assisted suicide, pro universal income, pro free health care, pro free education.Im completely against western intervention in the middle east and haven't supported any wars or insurgencies in my life time. However I am troubled by un-regulated immigration and the way we are brow beaten into accepting it, and think I should be allowed murder anyone who comes into my house even if they just want my stereo. I think there are only two genders. I don't think biological males should be allowed play women's sports.
Am I a looney lefty or a right wing racist scumbag? Im sure in conversations online on here or other websites someone would paint me as one or the other.
Im just a 37 year old fella, pay my taxes, do the odd triathlon, do charity work with the local guide dog foundation ad try and visit my mother as often as possible. I don't wake up in the morning to fuck anyone over.
You never know who you are talking to online anyway. You could be 45 with two kids and paying the upper rate of tax and you'll be in an internet row with a 19 year old with a humanities degree who has the solution to everything but has never had to clear an overdraft. If you're not a socialist when you're 20 you have no heart. If you are still a socialist when you're 40 you've got no head.
Id recommend reading the madness of crowds by Douglas Murray and then probably staying off the internet politics talk for a long time. Its malevolent .
I hope that I would welcome any rational debate and that was exactly the point that I tried to make. There are some strident pro-Brexit posters (I'm thinking particularly of someone with the moniker "Bayern"), for whom it's quite difficult to think of an alternative pronoun which might adequately describe them.
I am resolved not to go back to PR and hope that NPR will build the sort of membership that can discuss the sort of important matters affecting our world today without it degenerating into the shitfights which characterise the discussions there.
For example if I voted for Boris Johnson it wouldn’t be presumed that this was indicative that I also held x y and z views on other topics .
For me that’s the problem . “ you voted for brexit so you are this this and this “ .
I’d vote for trump over Biden ( I’m not American , I can’t ) but that shouldn’t be an open door for people to accuse me of being anything else .
Is it OK for posters to joke about LGBT people?Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:32 pmBloody hell - you are the little boy who runs to the teacher at the slightest provocation, aren't you? In fact, I think you even make up stuff to run to the teacher about.Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:59 pm"You" have have, yes, been wrong for the last 2020 years*, to borrow your phrase. Homophobes (and antti-LGBTs) such as you should be unwelcome on any decent chat forum.
* is that 2020 year thing a reference to evangelical christian sky-fairy beliefs?
I will leave it to the moderators to show some spine on this.
Read back and see how you've manipulated this chat to the point where you have started bawling - it's pathetic.
I'm not sure what you think my prejudices and hatreds are, but yeah, thanks, and we'll move on.
Why not? We joke about everything else..Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:49 pmIs it OK for posters to joke about LGBT people?Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:32 pmBloody hell - you are the little boy who runs to the teacher at the slightest provocation, aren't you? In fact, I think you even make up stuff to run to the teacher about.Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:59 pm
"You" have have, yes, been wrong for the last 2020 years*, to borrow your phrase. Homophobes (and antti-LGBTs) such as you should be unwelcome on any decent chat forum.
* is that 2020 year thing a reference to evangelical christian sky-fairy beliefs?
I will leave it to the moderators to show some spine on this.
Read back and see how you've manipulated this chat to the point where you have started bawling - it's pathetic.
Who was worse - Peter Sutcliffe or Hitler?Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:49 pmPerhaps not.Steve wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:55 pmAh we are in agreement so . I agree . I’m interested in having open and fair discussions on any topic once it’s spoken about under its own merits and there isn’t a presumption of what my opinion would be on other topics .Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:50 pm
I'm at a bit of a loss to understand what you are trying to say here.
I hope that I would welcome any rational debate and that was exactly the point that I tried to make. There are some strident pro-Brexit posters (I'm thinking particularly of someone with the moniker "Bayern"), for whom it's quite difficult to think of an alternative pronoun which might adequately describe them.
I am resolved not to go back to PR and hope that NPR will build the sort of membership that can discuss the sort of important matters affecting our world today without it degenerating into the shitfights which characterise the discussions there.
For example if I voted for Boris Johnson it wouldn’t be presumed that this was indicative that I also held x y and z views on other topics .
For me that’s the problem . “ you voted for brexit so you are this this and this “ .
I’d vote for trump over Biden ( I’m not American , I can’t ) but that shouldn’t be an open door for people to accuse me of being anything else .
If you support Trump, I'm interested in understanding why.
If you support Brexit, I would also seek to understand the logic.
What I find slightly concerning is the people who claim not to be Trump supporters, but then imply that Biden would be worse.
Yourre right mate, I'm not complaining about that. Enz decided to dive in BBB style and have a crack at me for not much really. Even though I did my best to de-escalate things and wish Steve the best and move on. I'm going to send him a packet of coffee to improve his mornings.Zapp Bannigan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:41 pm Just to set the record straight.
None of the mods on here are paid to moderate this site.
Do you expect us to log on, frequently and read every thread?
We all have lives to lead, stop being a whining fucking prick and grow a spine.
Do you think that this place is immune from oversight?TB63 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:53 pmWhy not? We joke about everything else..Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:49 pmIs it OK for posters to joke about LGBT people?Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:32 pm
Bloody hell - you are the little boy who runs to the teacher at the slightest provocation, aren't you? In fact, I think you even make up stuff to run to the teacher about.
Read back and see how you've manipulated this chat to the point where you have started bawling - it's pathetic.
Oversight from whom?
OK.ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:27 pmOversight from whom?
Who elected you spokesperson for the LGBT community? your views are subjective to you, yet you accuse another poster of being homophobic simply because they don't agree with your narrative, that does not sit well with me at all.
You cannot enforce diversity, you cannot shut down free speech simply because you disagree with what is being said. If in the end you cannot come to terms with that and how things are run here, you are free to leave anytime.
Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:00 pmPardon me? You set the tone with your attack on the mods just because we don't see things your way.Zapp Bannigan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:41 pm . Enz decided to dive in BBB style and have a crack at me for not much really. Even though I did my best to de-escalate things and wish Steve the best and move on. I'm going to send him a packet of coffee to improve his mornings.
To doing what you originally hatedEllafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:58 amThat is a not entirely complete description of the general covid thread, and as another example, Australian politics thread on the old PR bored. For a start you need to add that anyone who seeks to dissent from the "thread-orthodoxy" is disparaged, dismissed , and hounded off the thread. There is no actual debate, it is all ideologically driven bullying.
So far this bored has maintained a better standard, but there have been some worrying indications - LBGT jokes and the like. Not a good look.
Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:59 pm"You" have have, yes, been wrong for the last 2020 years*, to borrow your phrase. Homophobes (and antti-LGBTs) such as you should be unwelcome on any decent chat forum.
* is that 2020 year thing a reference to evangelical christian sky-fairy beliefs?
I will leave it to the moderators to show some spine on this.
You didnt de-escalate though did you . the "i forgive you" was laced with misplaced moral high ground smart arsery.Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:00 pmYourre right mate, I'm not complaining about that. Enz decided to dive in BBB style and have a crack at me for not much really. Even though I did my best to de-escalate things and wish Steve the best and move on. I'm going to send him a packet of coffee to improve his mornings.Zapp Bannigan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:41 pm Just to set the record straight.
None of the mods on here are paid to moderate this site.
Do you expect us to log on, frequently and read every thread?
We all have lives to lead, stop being a whining fucking prick and grow a spine.
Im pro LGBT too . But you treat it like a dogma. If my son or daughter was gay ..fine . if they brought home a trans friend ...come dine with us .Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:31 pmOK.ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:27 pmOversight from whom?
Who elected you spokesperson for the LGBT community? your views are subjective to you, yet you accuse another poster of being homophobic simply because they don't agree with your narrative, that does not sit well with me at all.
You cannot enforce diversity, you cannot shut down free speech simply because you disagree with what is being said. If in the end you cannot come to terms with that and how things are run here, you are free to leave anytime.
So being pro LGBT is shutting down free speech - is that what you are actually saying?
I'm thinking, you and I used to fight it out. But you are a good man at the end of the day. IF I'm not here much longer, best of luck buddy, and i wish all of NZ and Au rugby the very best.
The funny thing is im an agnostic/atheist really. The sideswipe about 2020 and tieing it to christianity was bizarre. 2020 is just the date on my garmin fenix 5 watch...Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:44 pm Ellafan just read your own posts. Despite how chilled out you are
You somehow always transition from
To doing what you originally hatedEllafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:58 amThat is a not entirely complete description of the general covid thread, and as another example, Australian politics thread on the old PR bored. For a start you need to add that anyone who seeks to dissent from the "thread-orthodoxy" is disparaged, dismissed , and hounded off the thread. There is no actual debate, it is all ideologically driven bullying.
So far this bored has maintained a better standard, but there have been some worrying indications - LBGT jokes and the like. Not a good look.
Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:59 pm"You" have have, yes, been wrong for the last 2020 years*, to borrow your phrase. Homophobes (and antti-LGBTs) such as you should be unwelcome on any decent chat forum.
* is that 2020 year thing a reference to evangelical christian sky-fairy beliefs?
I will leave it to the moderators to show some spine on this.
Steve wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:55 pmIm pro LGBT too . But you treat it like a dogma. If my son or daughter was gay ..fine . if they brought home a trans friend ...come dine with us .Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:31 pmOK.ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:27 pm
Oversight from whom?
Who elected you spokesperson for the LGBT community? your views are subjective to you, yet you accuse another poster of being homophobic simply because they don't agree with your narrative, that does not sit well with me at all.
You cannot enforce diversity, you cannot shut down free speech simply because you disagree with what is being said. If in the end you cannot come to terms with that and how things are run here, you are free to leave anytime.
So being pro LGBT is shutting down free speech - is that what you are actually saying?
Id hire a competent trans person for a job, id use any pronoun they asked me to use. Absolutely no problem at all about anyones sexual proclivities. Its great. I wont agree we need 15 types of toilets so Sam Smith can take his fancy from week to week , nor will agree to children being given hormone therapy to transition when they have no autonomy on the issue. You seem to treat it like like its completely uncontestable on every level from who you sleep with to what can we joke about . I say no, there are shades of grey, nuance and items open to debate.
nor will agree to children being given hormone therapy to transition when they have no autonomy on the issue
Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:55 pmI'm thinking, you and I used to fight it out. But you are a good man at the end of the day. IF I'm not here much longer, best of luck buddy, and i wish all of NZ and Au rugby the very best.
Now here we are, and we are seeing an accumulation of two things.
1 - Apparently I have annoyed the moderators, by giving them a little stick about their failure to develop a proper set of objective rules to administer the site. The fact that the current imbroglio would have been avoided by having some, seems to have been overlooked.
2. I've said we should have a rule against discriminating against LGBT people.
Would someone please explain what the fuck is wrong with point 2?
I actually realised I had about 10 of the last posts so then went for the full house for the laugh. As the site gets bigger it will be impossible to re-achieve. Do i get a trophy or anything? Im not a multi of anyone.
none of what you have quoted is offensive.Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:01 pmSteve wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:55 pmIm pro LGBT too . But you treat it like a dogma. If my son or daughter was gay ..fine . if they brought home a trans friend ...come dine with us .
Id hire a competent trans person for a job, id use any pronoun they asked me to use. Absolutely no problem at all about anyones sexual proclivities. Its great. I wont agree we need 15 types of toilets so Sam Smith can take his fancy from week to week , nor will agree to children being given hormone therapy to transition when they have no autonomy on the issue. You seem to treat it like like its completely uncontestable on every level from who you sleep with to what can we joke about . I say no, there are shades of grey, nuance and items open to debate.nor will agree to children being given hormone therapy to transition when they have no autonomy on the issue
Just to get absolute clarity - are you saying that LGBT jokes are OK?
Ella its all about how the joke is framed. No one can answer the question you are asking . Give an example of a joke and we can tell you if its wrong or not
I'm not sure I follow you.notfatcat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:54 pmWho was worse - Peter Sutcliffe or Hitler?Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:49 pmPerhaps not.Steve wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:55 pm
Ah we are in agreement so . I agree . I’m interested in having open and fair discussions on any topic once it’s spoken about under its own merits and there isn’t a presumption of what my opinion would be on other topics .
For example if I voted for Boris Johnson it wouldn’t be presumed that this was indicative that I also held x y and z views on other topics .
For me that’s the problem . “ you voted for brexit so you are this this and this “ .
I’d vote for trump over Biden ( I’m not American , I can’t ) but that shouldn’t be an open door for people to accuse me of being anything else .
If you support Trump, I'm interested in understanding why.
If you support Brexit, I would also seek to understand the logic.
What I find slightly concerning is the people who claim not to be Trump supporters, but then imply that Biden would be worse.