Re: Saffers Playing Abroad Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:01 am
Ag shame, was looking forward to seeing AE's soft hands and hard lines back in SA 

Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.average joe wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
sorCrer wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 amNee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.average joe wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
Did you watch the 2019 semi final between England and New Zealand?sorCrer wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 amNee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.average joe wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
You obviously did not watch it.....Habana was the closest we got to football with his dives...Big Nipper wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:21 amsorCrer wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 amNee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.average joe wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.![]()
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Good call on AE
Good riddance to bad rubbish
sorCrer wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 amNee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.average joe wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
I'm pretty sure England are still having nightmares after 2019.
Sards wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:29 amYou obviously did not watch it.....Habana was the closest we got to football with his dives...Big Nipper wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:21 amsorCrer wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am
Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.![]()
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Good call on AE
Good riddance to bad rubbish
You may as well make the ball round and kick it around the park with no physical contact.
This was a complete bullshit call and 6 weeks is a joke.
Well this is the great irony. Farrell still gets away with his headshots, week after week.
" No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear."Chilli wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:28 amDid you watch the 2019 semi final between England and New Zealand?sorCrer wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 amNee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.average joe wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
The final was won on a massive set piece. There was no: ' No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.'
While I understand where you are coming from, there is a massive difference in physical intimidation between what England did to NZ and a bit of handbags.sorCrer wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:06 am" No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear."
Exactly. Nobody gets intimidated by handbags. If you can rile up an opponent to such an extent that they start pushing and shoving you off the ball, then you've already won half the battle.sorCrer wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 amNee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.average joe wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
This can all be summed up by PSdT's performance in the final. His tackling was another level.handyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:46 am I laughed every time during Chasing the Sun in the pre-game planning meetings Rassie always said to the players that the gameplan for this match is to physically dominate. Always within the boundaries, but they must be afraid to make contact. Call it what you will, but that is a strength of SA rugby, that's what we're used to and what we're good at. Long may it continue.
It was quite amusinghandyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:46 am I laughed every time during Chasing the Sun in the pre-game planning meetings Rassie always said to the players that the gameplan for this match is to physically dominate. Always within the boundaries, but they must be afraid to make contact. Call it what you will, but that is a strength of SA rugby, that's what we're used to and what we're good at. Long may it continue.
They need to change the game plan. It took us from 2007 to 2019 to have an effective rwc using Jake's 2007 tacticsOomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:36 am I have full confidence in the Springbokke going forward. We have the best two coaches in Rassie and Nienaber.
Can you go into more detail?Sards wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 pmThey need to change the game plan. It took us from 2007 to 2019 to have an effective rwc using Jake's 2007 tacticsOomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:36 am I have full confidence in the Springbokke going forward. We have the best two coaches in Rassie and Nienaber.
How do you reckon Fitzpatrick got Bok players to lose their shit? There's always some sort of mental gymnastics going on of the ball in rugby. It's not necessary to do something obvious like dropping an elbow on a prone players face but there's a lot of other ways to get in a players head. Fok, just a few words whispered in a players ear in the ruck can make him lose his shit or instil fear and make him hesitate when next he sees you coming.Blake wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:28 am
Exactly. Nobody gets intimidated by handbags. If you can rile up an opponent to such an extent that they start pushing and shoving you off the ball, then you've already won half the battle.
You are in their head and they are not focused on the game. That's what made players like Sean Fitzpatrick so annoying to play against; he just knew how to wind up the Bok forwards.
If you're lucky, you get them annoyed and lacking focus. If you're really lucky you get them to do stupid things and concede penalties. And if you are really, really lucky, you can goad them into a punch, elbow or headbutt and get them carded.
That's what I liked about Rassie's team culture. As Lukyanyo Am said in Chasing The Sun; they would be "silent bullies". No argie-bargie, no handbags, no off the ball nonsense.
We will just smash you and hurt you in the tackles to such an extent that you are just trying to survive out there and cope with the relentless physical onslaught...tackle after tackle, ruck after ruck.
There are more than enough legal ways to hurt somebody in rugby. You are better off, with all the eyes on the field nowadays, just to let the officials deal with foul play and channel your aggression into the gameplan.
Are you surprised that a bunch of Saffers just out of isolation were difficult to rile up? We had a shit-tonne of baggage we carried around (no, I don't mean Kobus Wiese) and the Kiwis knew how to make us lose focus.average joe wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:38 pmHow do you reckon Fitzpatrick got Bok players to lose their shit? There's always some sort of mental gymnastics going on of the ball in rugby. It's not necessary to do something obvious like dropping an elbow on a prone players face but there's a lot of other ways to get in a players head. Fok, just a few words whispered in a players ear in the ruck can make him lose his shit or instil fear and make him hesitate when next he sees you coming.Blake wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:28 am
Exactly. Nobody gets intimidated by handbags. If you can rile up an opponent to such an extent that they start pushing and shoving you off the ball, then you've already won half the battle.
You are in their head and they are not focused on the game. That's what made players like Sean Fitzpatrick so annoying to play against; he just knew how to wind up the Bok forwards.
If you're lucky, you get them annoyed and lacking focus. If you're really lucky you get them to do stupid things and concede penalties. And if you are really, really lucky, you can goad them into a punch, elbow or headbutt and get them carded.
That's what I liked about Rassie's team culture. As Lukyanyo Am said in Chasing The Sun; they would be "silent bullies". No argie-bargie, no handbags, no off the ball nonsense.
We will just smash you and hurt you in the tackles to such an extent that you are just trying to survive out there and cope with the relentless physical onslaught...tackle after tackle, ruck after ruck.
There are more than enough legal ways to hurt somebody in rugby. You are better off, with all the eyes on the field nowadays, just to let the officials deal with foul play and channel your aggression into the gameplan.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned. I like Nienaber a lot. I think he is an excellent technical analyst and the players seem to like and respect him a lot.OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:36 am I have full confidence in the Springbokke going forward. We have the best two coaches in Rassie and Nienaber.
This should be good...I can't wait to see how Sard tries to make the argument that Jake White's territory + lineout based gameplan (which became infeasible when the kicking laws were changed in 2008) is the same as Rassie's zone strategy + outside in defensive pattern.handyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pmCan you go into more detail?Sards wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 pmThey need to change the game plan. It took us from 2007 to 2019 to have an effective rwc using Jake's 2007 tacticsOomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:36 am I have full confidence in the Springbokke going forward. We have the best two coaches in Rassie and Nienaber.
2011 we failed. Using Jake's game plan. We seem to fail the following world cup using same tactics Jake won 2007 with. Let's see if I am right......again.I am prepared to wager we will lose in 23. Up for it ladBlake wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:57 pmThis should be good...I can't wait to see how Sard tries to make the argument that Jake White's territory + lineout based gameplan (which became infeasible when the kicking laws were changed in 2008) is the same as Rassie's zone strategy + outside in defensive pattern.
Rassie loves some forward dominance and big collisions. Under Jake we had some of the softest Bok scrums that I can recall and the only forwards that relished some contact were Bakkies and Burger and Danie Rossouw. Other forwards weren't really known for they physicality...Matfield, Andrews, Smit, Wannenburg, Davids, Spies, Joe van Niekerk. Good players sure, but not in the same level as the players Rassie selected when it comes to sheer physicality on the pitch.
Is that your analysis?Sards wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:23 pm2011 we failed. Using Jake's game plan. We seem to fail the following world cup using same tactics Jake won 2007 with. Let's see if I am right......again.I am prepared to wager we will lose in 23. Up for it ladBlake wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:57 pmThis should be good...I can't wait to see how Sard tries to make the argument that Jake White's territory + lineout based gameplan (which became infeasible when the kicking laws were changed in 2008) is the same as Rassie's zone strategy + outside in defensive pattern.
Rassie loves some forward dominance and big collisions. Under Jake we had some of the softest Bok scrums that I can recall and the only forwards that relished some contact were Bakkies and Burger and Danie Rossouw. Other forwards weren't really known for they physicality...Matfield, Andrews, Smit, Wannenburg, Davids, Spies, Joe van Niekerk. Good players sure, but not in the same level as the players Rassie selected when it comes to sheer physicality on the pitch.
AE is a cheap shot merchant who got schooled Farrell ffsFangle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:31 pm If you want to mention intimidating players, go no further than Lomu. AE aint no Lomu.
Lomu was intimidating in his day, but I'm not sure he be as terrifying now as he was then. Look at some of the Polynesian wingers playing today, like Nadolo.Fangle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:31 pm If you want to mention intimidating players, go no further than Lomu. AE aint no Lomu.
A tad harsh, me thinks.Big Nipper wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:30 pm What else did you expect the fat fuck to say? He hasn't a clue man.
Nasty....pot belly...kettleBig Nipper wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:30 pm What else did you expect the fat fuck to say? He hasn't a clue man.
Pretty much.handyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:26 pmIs that your analysis?Sards wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:23 pm2011 we failed. Using Jake's game plan. We seem to fail the following world cup using same tactics Jake won 2007 with. Let's see if I am right......again.I am prepared to wager we will lose in 23. Up for it ladBlake wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:57 pm
This should be good...I can't wait to see how Sard tries to make the argument that Jake White's territory + lineout based gameplan (which became infeasible when the kicking laws were changed in 2008) is the same as Rassie's zone strategy + outside in defensive pattern.
Rassie loves some forward dominance and big collisions. Under Jake we had some of the softest Bok scrums that I can recall and the only forwards that relished some contact were Bakkies and Burger and Danie Rossouw. Other forwards weren't really known for they physicality...Matfield, Andrews, Smit, Wannenburg, Davids, Spies, Joe van Niekerk. Good players sure, but not in the same level as the players Rassie selected when it comes to sheer physicality on the pitch.
So you believe that Rassie's version of Jake's 2007 gameplan was good enough to win RWC2019?Sards wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:58 pmPretty much.handyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:26 pmIs that your analysis?Sards wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:23 pm
2011 we failed. Using Jake's game plan. We seem to fail the following world cup using same tactics Jake won 2007 with. Let's see if I am right......again.I am prepared to wager we will lose in 23. Up for it lad
Nienaber has absolutely no experience so will keep Rassie's version of Jake's game plan.
Pretty much. 12 years later it would work don't you thinkhandyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:16 pmSo you believe that Rassie's version of Jake's 2007 gameplan was good enough to win RWC2019?
Fascinating. But why didn't the all blacks stick to their 1987 RWC winning gameplan, they would have had 9 RWC's by now?
Who the fuck cares what you think tbhhandyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:45 pmA tad harsh, me thinks.Big Nipper wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:30 pm What else did you expect the fat fuck to say? He hasn't a clue man.
What a lovely lad you are.Big Nipper wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:53 pmWho the fuck cares what you think tbhhandyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:45 pmA tad harsh, me thinks.Big Nipper wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:30 pm What else did you expect the fat fuck to say? He hasn't a clue man.