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Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am**

Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:59 am**

AE gets six weeks. That's his Lions chances gone.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:01 am**

Ag shame, was looking forward to seeing AE's soft hands and hard lines back in SA

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am**

average joe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.

Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:21 am**

sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am
average joe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.

Good call on AE

Good riddance to bad rubbish

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:28 am**

sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am
average joe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.

Did you watch the 2019 semi final between England and New Zealand?

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:29 am**

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:21 am
sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am
average joe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.

Good call on AE

Good riddance to bad rubbish

You obviously did not watch it.....Habana was the closest we got to football with his dives...

You may as well make the ball round and kick it around the park with no physical contact.

This was a complete bullshit call and 6 weeks is a joke.
This has nothing to do with my previous manlove....this was pathetic

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:31 am**

sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am
average joe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.

It's exactly because of our physical dominance that we are the only team that continuously challenge the AB's. No other team have even come close. I'm not talking about Dean Greyling red mist stupidity here. Striking, head butting and shoulder charging is not physical dominance. Getting into your opponents head space is vital and your not going to do that cowering scared behind a ref every time a bit of rough and tumble comes around.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:34 am**

sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.

I'm pretty sure England are still having nightmares after 2019.

That final was won on controlled physical dominance.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:48 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:29 am
Big Nipper wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:21 am
sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am

Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.

Good call on AE

Good riddance to bad rubbish
You obviously did not watch it.....Habana was the closest we got to football with his dives...

You may as well make the ball round and kick it around the park with no physical contact.

This was a complete bullshit call and 6 weeks is a joke.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:25 am**

assfly wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:34 am
sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.
I'm pretty sure England are still having nightmares after 2019.

That final was won on controlled physical dominance.

AE still try to cope with Farrells tackle

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:28 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:25 am AE still try to cope with Farrells tackle

Well this is the great irony. Farrell still gets away with his headshots, week after week.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:06 am**

Chilli wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:28 am
sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am
average joe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.
Did you watch the 2019 semi final between England and New Zealand?

" No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear."

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:07 am**

assfly wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:34 am
sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.
I'm pretty sure England are still having nightmares after 2019.

That final was won on controlled physical dominance.

The final was won on a massive set piece. There was no: ' No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.'

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:25 am**

sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:06 am
Chilli wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:28 am
sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am

Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.
Did you watch the 2019 semi final between England and New Zealand?
" No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear."

While I understand where you are coming from, there is a massive difference in physical intimidation between what England did to NZ and a bit of handbags.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:28 am**

sorCrer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am
average joe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:58 am Jirre jisses, do you guy's even rugby? It's a game were you strive for physical dominance over your opponent. Intimidating the opposition is 50% of the battle won. No rugby player is just going to stand there smiling when they get pushed and shoved, it shows weakness and fear.
Nee fok broer. This is exactly the stereotype that has cost us so many games against the AB's. Nobody get's intimidated by 'physical' dominance.

Exactly. Nobody gets intimidated by handbags. If you can rile up an opponent to such an extent that they start pushing and shoving you off the ball, then you've already won half the battle.
You are in their head and they are not focused on the game. That's what made players like Sean Fitzpatrick so annoying to play against; he just knew how to wind up the Bok forwards.
If you're lucky, you get them annoyed and lacking focus. If you're really lucky you get them to do stupid things and concede penalties. And if you are really, really lucky, you can goad them into a punch, elbow or headbutt and get them carded.

That's what I liked about Rassie's team culture. As Lukyanyo Am said in Chasing The Sun; they would be "silent bullies". No argie-bargie, no handbags, no off the ball nonsense.
We will just smash you and hurt you in the tackles to such an extent that you are just trying to survive out there and cope with the relentless physical onslaught...tackle after tackle, ruck after ruck.
There are more than enough legal ways to hurt somebody in rugby. You are better off, with all the eyes on the field nowadays, just to let the officials deal with foul play and channel your aggression into the gameplan.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:46 am**

I laughed every time during Chasing the Sun in the pre-game planning meetings Rassie always said to the players that the gameplan for this match is to physically dominate. Always within the boundaries, but they must be afraid to make contact. Call it what you will, but that is a strength of SA rugby, that's what we're used to and what we're good at. Long may it continue.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:49 am**

handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:46 am I laughed every time during Chasing the Sun in the pre-game planning meetings Rassie always said to the players that the gameplan for this match is to physically dominate. Always within the boundaries, but they must be afraid to make contact. Call it what you will, but that is a strength of SA rugby, that's what we're used to and what we're good at. Long may it continue.

This can all be summed up by PSdT's performance in the final. His tackling was another level.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:58 am**

handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:46 am I laughed every time during Chasing the Sun in the pre-game planning meetings Rassie always said to the players that the gameplan for this match is to physically dominate. Always within the boundaries, but they must be afraid to make contact. Call it what you will, but that is a strength of SA rugby, that's what we're used to and what we're good at. Long may it continue.

It was quite amusing

Every pre-match talk: "I want you to fuck them up physically". Even in the Wales game where he was leaning in another direction, he changed his mind at the last second.

I like that too. It's a strength of our game that few other nations can match. It's just important that we keep things legal and and controlled, because it can become a massive liability when executed recklessly.
Also, we need a Plan B when we run into the occasions where a NZ or England or France get parity up front. Hopefully Rassie and JN will be working on that for the next 3 years in the build-up to our title defense in France.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:36 am**

I have full confidence in the Springbokke going forward. We have the best two coaches in Rassie and Nienaber.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:36 am I have full confidence in the Springbokke going forward. We have the best two coaches in Rassie and Nienaber.

They need to change the game plan. It took us from 2007 to 2019 to have an effective rwc using Jake's 2007 tactics

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:22 pm**

Rassie was no saint on the pitch himself. He dished out his fair share of niggle in his day.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pm**

Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:36 am I have full confidence in the Springbokke going forward. We have the best two coaches in Rassie and Nienaber.
They need to change the game plan. It took us from 2007 to 2019 to have an effective rwc using Jake's 2007 tactics

Can you go into more detail?

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:38 pm**

Blake wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:28 am
Exactly. Nobody gets intimidated by handbags. If you can rile up an opponent to such an extent that they start pushing and shoving you off the ball, then you've already won half the battle.
You are in their head and they are not focused on the game. That's what made players like Sean Fitzpatrick so annoying to play against; he just knew how to wind up the Bok forwards.
If you're lucky, you get them annoyed and lacking focus. If you're really lucky you get them to do stupid things and concede penalties. And if you are really, really lucky, you can goad them into a punch, elbow or headbutt and get them carded.

That's what I liked about Rassie's team culture. As Lukyanyo Am said in Chasing The Sun; they would be "silent bullies". No argie-bargie, no handbags, no off the ball nonsense.
We will just smash you and hurt you in the tackles to such an extent that you are just trying to survive out there and cope with the relentless physical onslaught...tackle after tackle, ruck after ruck.
There are more than enough legal ways to hurt somebody in rugby. You are better off, with all the eyes on the field nowadays, just to let the officials deal with foul play and channel your aggression into the gameplan.

How do you reckon Fitzpatrick got Bok players to lose their shit? There's always some sort of mental gymnastics going on of the ball in rugby. It's not necessary to do something obvious like dropping an elbow on a prone players face but there's a lot of other ways to get in a players head. Fok, just a few words whispered in a players ear in the ruck can make him lose his shit or instil fear and make him hesitate when next he sees you coming.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:43 pm**

average joe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:38 pm
Blake wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:28 am
Exactly. Nobody gets intimidated by handbags. If you can rile up an opponent to such an extent that they start pushing and shoving you off the ball, then you've already won half the battle.
You are in their head and they are not focused on the game. That's what made players like Sean Fitzpatrick so annoying to play against; he just knew how to wind up the Bok forwards.
If you're lucky, you get them annoyed and lacking focus. If you're really lucky you get them to do stupid things and concede penalties. And if you are really, really lucky, you can goad them into a punch, elbow or headbutt and get them carded.

That's what I liked about Rassie's team culture. As Lukyanyo Am said in Chasing The Sun; they would be "silent bullies". No argie-bargie, no handbags, no off the ball nonsense.
We will just smash you and hurt you in the tackles to such an extent that you are just trying to survive out there and cope with the relentless physical onslaught...tackle after tackle, ruck after ruck.
There are more than enough legal ways to hurt somebody in rugby. You are better off, with all the eyes on the field nowadays, just to let the officials deal with foul play and channel your aggression into the gameplan.
How do you reckon Fitzpatrick got Bok players to lose their shit? There's always some sort of mental gymnastics going on of the ball in rugby. It's not necessary to do something obvious like dropping an elbow on a prone players face but there's a lot of other ways to get in a players head. Fok, just a few words whispered in a players ear in the ruck can make him lose his shit or instil fear and make him hesitate when next he sees you coming.

Are you surprised that a bunch of Saffers just out of isolation were difficult to rile up? We had a shit-tonne of baggage we carried around (no, I don't mean Kobus Wiese) and the Kiwis knew how to make us lose focus.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:47 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:36 am I have full confidence in the Springbokke going forward. We have the best two coaches in Rassie and Nienaber.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned. I like Nienaber a lot. I think he is an excellent technical analyst and the players seem to like and respect him a lot.
But it's a massive shift moving from the sideline into the coach's chair. I know Rassie will be there to support him and I really wish him the best, but there is no denying it's a massive gamble and I really hope we haven't set Nienaber up for failure.

Expectations are sky high, and he has zero experience in that role. I hope and trust he'll grab his opportunity.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:57 pm**

handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:36 am I have full confidence in the Springbokke going forward. We have the best two coaches in Rassie and Nienaber.
They need to change the game plan. It took us from 2007 to 2019 to have an effective rwc using Jake's 2007 tactics
Can you go into more detail?

This should be good...I can't wait to see how Sard tries to make the argument that Jake White's territory + lineout based gameplan (which became infeasible when the kicking laws were changed in 2008) is the same as Rassie's zone strategy + outside in defensive pattern.

Rassie loves some forward dominance and big collisions. Under Jake we had some of the softest Bok scrums that I can recall and the only forwards that relished some contact were Bakkies and Burger and Danie Rossouw. Other forwards weren't really known for they physicality...Matfield, Andrews, Smit, Wannenburg, Davids, Spies, Joe van Niekerk. Good players sure, but not in the same level as the players Rassie selected when it comes to sheer physicality on the pitch.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:23 pm**

Blake wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:57 pm
handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 pm

They need to change the game plan. It took us from 2007 to 2019 to have an effective rwc using Jake's 2007 tactics
Can you go into more detail?
This should be good...I can't wait to see how Sard tries to make the argument that Jake White's territory + lineout based gameplan (which became infeasible when the kicking laws were changed in 2008) is the same as Rassie's zone strategy + outside in defensive pattern.

Rassie loves some forward dominance and big collisions. Under Jake we had some of the softest Bok scrums that I can recall and the only forwards that relished some contact were Bakkies and Burger and Danie Rossouw. Other forwards weren't really known for they physicality...Matfield, Andrews, Smit, Wannenburg, Davids, Spies, Joe van Niekerk. Good players sure, but not in the same level as the players Rassie selected when it comes to sheer physicality on the pitch.

2011 we failed. Using Jake's game plan. We seem to fail the following world cup using same tactics Jake won 2007 with. Let's see if I am right......again.I am prepared to wager we will lose in 23. Up for it lad

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:26 pm**

Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:23 pm
Blake wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:57 pm
handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pm

Can you go into more detail?
This should be good...I can't wait to see how Sard tries to make the argument that Jake White's territory + lineout based gameplan (which became infeasible when the kicking laws were changed in 2008) is the same as Rassie's zone strategy + outside in defensive pattern.

Rassie loves some forward dominance and big collisions. Under Jake we had some of the softest Bok scrums that I can recall and the only forwards that relished some contact were Bakkies and Burger and Danie Rossouw. Other forwards weren't really known for they physicality...Matfield, Andrews, Smit, Wannenburg, Davids, Spies, Joe van Niekerk. Good players sure, but not in the same level as the players Rassie selected when it comes to sheer physicality on the pitch.
2011 we failed. Using Jake's game plan. We seem to fail the following world cup using same tactics Jake won 2007 with. Let's see if I am right......again.I am prepared to wager we will lose in 23. Up for it lad

Is that your analysis?

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:30 pm**

What else did you expect the fat fuck to say? He hasn't a clue man.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:31 pm**

If you want to mention intimidating players, go no further than Lomu. AE aint no Lomu.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:34 pm**

Fangle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:31 pm If you want to mention intimidating players, go no further than Lomu. AE aint no Lomu.

AE is a cheap shot merchant who got schooled Farrell ffs

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:36 pm**

Fangle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:31 pm If you want to mention intimidating players, go no further than Lomu. AE aint no Lomu.

Lomu was intimidating in his day, but I'm not sure he be as terrifying now as he was then. Look at some of the Polynesian wingers playing today, like Nadolo.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:45 pm**

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:30 pm What else did you expect the fat fuck to say? He hasn't a clue man.

A tad harsh, me thinks.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:48 pm**

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:30 pm What else did you expect the fat fuck to say? He hasn't a clue man.

Nasty....pot belly...kettle

Are you up for a bet lad....Blake is not sure enough

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:58 pm**

handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:26 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:23 pm
Blake wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:57 pm

This should be good...I can't wait to see how Sard tries to make the argument that Jake White's territory + lineout based gameplan (which became infeasible when the kicking laws were changed in 2008) is the same as Rassie's zone strategy + outside in defensive pattern.

Rassie loves some forward dominance and big collisions. Under Jake we had some of the softest Bok scrums that I can recall and the only forwards that relished some contact were Bakkies and Burger and Danie Rossouw. Other forwards weren't really known for they physicality...Matfield, Andrews, Smit, Wannenburg, Davids, Spies, Joe van Niekerk. Good players sure, but not in the same level as the players Rassie selected when it comes to sheer physicality on the pitch.
2011 we failed. Using Jake's game plan. We seem to fail the following world cup using same tactics Jake won 2007 with. Let's see if I am right......again.I am prepared to wager we will lose in 23. Up for it lad
Is that your analysis?

Pretty much.
Nienaber has absolutely no experience so will keep Rassie's version of Jake's game plan.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:16 pm**

Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:58 pm
handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:26 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:23 pm

2011 we failed. Using Jake's game plan. We seem to fail the following world cup using same tactics Jake won 2007 with. Let's see if I am right......again.I am prepared to wager we will lose in 23. Up for it lad
Is that your analysis?
Pretty much.
Nienaber has absolutely no experience so will keep Rassie's version of Jake's game plan.

So you believe that Rassie's version of Jake's 2007 gameplan was good enough to win RWC2019?

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:19 pm**

handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:16 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:58 pm
handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:26 pm

Is that your analysis?
Pretty much.
Nienaber has absolutely no experience so will keep Rassie's version of Jake's game plan.
So you believe that Rassie's version of Jake's 2007 gameplan was good enough to win RWC2019?

Pretty much. 12 years later it would work don't you think

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:24 pm**

Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:19 pm
handyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:16 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:58 pm

Pretty much.
Nienaber has absolutely no experience so will keep Rassie's version of Jake's game plan.
So you believe that Rassie's version of Jake's 2007 gameplan was good enough to win RWC2019?
Pretty much. 12 years later it would work don't you think

Fascinating. But why didn't the all blacks stick to their 1987 RWC winning gameplan, they would have had 9 RWC's by now?

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:27 pm**

Sards will be happy with the coaches gameplan when they select Curwin Bosch

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