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Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:05 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:44 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:28 am
by Hellraiser
Dietmar Pichler
@DietmarPichler1
Jul 19 • 4 tweets • 1 min read Twitter logo Read on Twitter

15 rules of Russian disinformation🧵

1. Deny it

2. Accuse others of what you do yourself

3. Demonize your victim

4. Practice the victim role, even if you are clearly the perpetrator

5. Know your target audiences

6. When unable to convince, confuse

7. Spread not just one but many lies to create as much confusion as possible

8. Motivate others to spread your lies

9. Ridiculous propaganda helps make your more subtle lies appear more legitimate

10. If it gets tough to deny, use whataboutism

11. Amplify all voices that support your narratives

12. Repeat your narratives as many times as possible so that your audience can parrot them

13. Be aware that less informed people are more vulnerable to disinformation

14. When your fabricated content triggers emotions, people will spread it even more

15. Make your audience feel special, in the sense that they are well-informed, while others are just "decadent Western sheep

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:39 am
by Gumboot
Sounds like the Trump playbook as well.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:08 am
by tabascoboy
With the destruction of 60 000 tonnes of grain which was purportedly intended for China, fuckwit Russians continue in trying to woo their allies


Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:54 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:35 pm
by tabascoboy
But surely RU destroyed them all already?


Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:46 am
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:01 am
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:30 am
by tabascoboy
Another destroyed agricultural facility near Odessa, this one contained peas and barley. Now RU openly admitting that they will try to use global famine as a blackmail weapon to get they way, WTF more is needed for the UN to get off its collective arse and move to get RU out of the Security Council?


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Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:14 pm
by Hellraiser
Girkin has been arrested.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:22 pm
by tabascoboy
Hellraiser wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:14 pm Girkin has been arrested.
As if "extremism" isn't a desirable trait in Russia - but has to be the right brand of extremism I guess


Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:24 pm
by tabascoboy
They haven't wasted time apparently on niceties, already said to be in court, Could they throw him to the wolves by offering him up to the ICC for some removal of sanctions?


Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:50 pm
by Hellraiser
tabascoboy wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:24 pm They haven't wasted time apparently on niceties, already said to be in court, Could they throw him to the wolves by offering him up to the ICC for some removal of sanctions?

No, it would set a dangerous precedent.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:50 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:43 pm
by tabascoboy

Girkin was sent to a pre-trial detention center for 2 months by a decision of a Russian court.
The reason called by the Russian court - "the statements about the possible surrender of the Crimea (he called it treason) and the words about the lack of payments among the military."

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:23 pm
by Plim
Hellraiser wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:50 pm
Sure. 50 quid a bag in the hold, a tenner to use the khazi, staphylococcus on the seats and the ugliest staff on any commercial airline, bar none.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:26 pm
by Hellraiser
Heard a stat today that since the invasion began the Ukrainians have lost 2 colonels. The Russians have lost 64.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:46 am
by tabascoboy
And a few days ago he was saying he'd support UA in their efforts to keep grain shipments running...




Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:53 am
by tabascoboy
This is interesting, a possible pointer to quieten and tone down some of the most inflammatory content in the RU media and elsewhere. Maybe a sign that they have to change the narrative as it's beginning to work against themselves and the leadership in particular? "The report forecasts an erosion of confidence in the government. "



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Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:19 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:19 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:20 am
by tabascoboy
RU yet again intent on mindless destruction


Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:48 am
by Uncle fester
tabascoboy wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:20 am RU yet again intent on mindless destruction

It's so dumb though, wastes their expensive ammo and pushes them further away from achieving their aims.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:52 pm
by Hellraiser
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:48 am
tabascoboy wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:20 am RU yet again intent on mindless destruction

It's so dumb though, wastes their expensive ammo and pushes them further away from achieving their aims.
It's the Russian way of war. They know no other.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:36 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:39 pm
by Random1
Tucker really is a cunt. Doing the unbelievable, and making Pence look the reasonable adult in the room. 😂

From minute 13 onwards.


Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:15 pm
by Blake
Random1 wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:39 pm Tucker really is a cunt. Doing the unbelievable, and making Pence look the reasonable adult in the room. 😂

From minute 13 onwards.

I'm kind of curious, but I also don't want to give Tucker the view, so I'll wait for a write-up or copied upload thanks.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:17 pm
by Sandstorm
Blake wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:15 pm
Random1 wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:39 pm Tucker really is a cunt. Doing the unbelievable, and making Pence look the reasonable adult in the room. 😂

From minute 13 onwards.

I'm kind of curious, but I also don't want to give Tucker the view, so I'll wait for a write-up or copied upload thanks.
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Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:12 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:04 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:32 am
by Random1
Blake wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:15 pm
Random1 wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:39 pm Tucker really is a cunt. Doing the unbelievable, and making Pence look the reasonable adult in the room. 😂

From minute 13 onwards.

I'm kind of curious, but I also don't want to give Tucker the view, so I'll wait for a write-up or copied upload thanks.
😂

He says that we shouldn’t be helping Ukraine anymore because they have been arresting Ukrainian orthodox priests. He’s saying that the Ukrainians aren’t the bastion of freedom they’re being made out to be and that they’re arresting these priests because “they have a different opinion”.

To be fair to pence, he tells tucker that he’s been out there twice and what putin is doing is evil. And America should help fight evil.

All of that’s a paraphrase, it doesn’t portray the sheer indignation in tucker’s voice throughout. It’s worth a watch. Tucker won’t benefit from 1 more view.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:05 am
by Gumboot
They're both freaky as fuck, tbf. Carlson tried repeatedly to spin as FACT his bullshit that Ukrainian Christians are being persecuted, but didn't get the answers he wanted from Michael the Pious. Poor old Tucker, so easily dismissed by someone who calls his wife Mother and spent five years of his life staring lovingly at the back of Donald Trump's head.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:54 am
by Hellraiser
The Russians have retreated from Andriivka.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:35 pm
by Hellraiser

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:38 pm
by Hellraiser
The entire Russian line south of Bakhmut looks like it's going to collapse.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:59 pm
by Brazil
Hellraiser wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:38 pm The entire Russian line south of Bakhmut looks like it's going to collapse.
What are you basing it on?

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:17 pm
by Hellraiser
Reports now that AFU control half of Klishchiivka and the mobiks in the village have abandoned their positions without orders leaving the BARS and professional regulars on their own.

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:04 pm
by tabascoboy

Re: What's going on in Ukraine?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:46 pm
by petej
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:04 pm
The obliteration of russian artillery was always eventually going to hurt. For a couple of months now they've been knocking out approx 30-40 systems a day.