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Everyone talks about Starmer being “forensic” and “detailed” due to his legal background, but he’s just a bit shit at this really
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Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:11 pm Sounds to me like he knows he’s going after the report comes out
He sounds like a dead man walking and utterly pathetic
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Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14 pm Everyone talks about Starmer being “forensic” and “detailed” due to his legal background, but he’s just a bit shit at this really
?! Boris just got battered.
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Yeah in calling for him to resign and pretty much (carefully observing the Parliamentary rules) accursed him of lying through his teeth. Think he did pretty well and gave him a proper battering,
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Basically the only thing I feel is missing from these attacks is a totting up of all the times Boris has lied to Parliament and not corrected the record. But I appreciate that focusing on this one event, which is the one most likely to piss the most people off, is a sensible tactic.
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Even Blackford landed a punch.

Boris going on about the vaccines strikes me as a man already turning to his legacy.
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JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:16 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14 pm Everyone talks about Starmer being “forensic” and “detailed” due to his legal background, but he’s just a bit shit at this really
?! Boris just got battered.
Quite
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JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:16 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14 pm Everyone talks about Starmer being “forensic” and “detailed” due to his legal background, but he’s just a bit shit at this really
?! Boris just got battered.
It was like kicking a puppy, anyone could have done that.

Blackford was much better this week
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Why the fuck is the Speaker claiming that it's "inadvertently" misleading Parliament if Boris claims outright he never said something he was proven to have said?
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Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:24 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:16 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14 pm Everyone talks about Starmer being “forensic” and “detailed” due to his legal background, but he’s just a bit shit at this really
?! Boris just got battered.
It was like kicking a puppy, anyone could have done that.

Blackford was much better this week
OK but kicking the puppy is what was needed. Boris was humiliated and reduced to a bumbling mess.
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JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:26 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:24 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:16 pm

?! Boris just got battered.
It was like kicking a puppy, anyone could have done that.

Blackford was much better this week
OK but kicking the puppy is what was needed. Boris was humiliated and reduced to a bumbling mess.
I think he should have concentrated more on breaking the Ministerial Code and try to get him to admit to something there once he had him on the ropes.

Great question from Toby Perkins, whoever he is.
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Objectively great banter from the backbench Tories going on about UCLAN, Colne Valley Park and washing machines
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JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:26 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:24 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:16 pm

?! Boris just got battered.
It was like kicking a puppy, anyone could have done that.

Blackford was much better this week
OK but kicking the puppy is what was needed. Boris was humiliated and reduced to a bumbling mess.
That phrase is deeply unfair on puppies. I couldn't kick a puppy but would happily kick bumblecunt.
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Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:30 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:26 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:24 pm

It was like kicking a puppy, anyone could have done that.

Blackford was much better this week
OK but kicking the puppy is what was needed. Boris was humiliated and reduced to a bumbling mess.
I think he should have concentrated more on breaking the Ministerial Code and try to get him to admit to something there once he had him on the ropes.

Great question from Toby Perkins, whoever he is.
He did make a pretty strong point about the Ministerial Code!

I was happy that another MP stood up to ask about him lying about something he'd said - then claimed in Parliament he'd never said it - and Hoyle was right in there to claim it was unintentional, which shows the difficulty of ever pinning this fucking lies to the greasy fat charlatan.
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From Nick Robinson
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speaks again and again of “mistakes made” & “mistakes we made” but he can’t bring himself to add the word “I”. Begs the question - is he apologising for his behaviour, that of his staff or just how things look?
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BBC Politics presenter doing exactly what Starmer should have done
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Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:44 pm BBC Politics presenter doing exactly what Starmer should have done
I've had to go back to work - what are they doing?
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The quicker he is gone from front line politics the better. Preferably within the next few hours.
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Wonder how long it took for BoJo and/or an aide to concoct this spin? "I only went out there for 25 mins and a quick chat, honest guv!"
Here's what he said:

Quote Message: Mr Speaker, I want to apologise. I know that millions of people across this country have made extraordinary sacrifices over the last 18 months. I know the anguish that they have been through - unable to mourn their relatives, unable to live their lives as they want or do the things they love. And I know the rage they feel with me and with the government I lead, when they think that in Downing Street itself the rules are not being properly followed by the people who make the rules."
Mr Speaker, I want to apologise. I know that millions of people across this country have made extraordinary sacrifices over the last 18 months. I know the anguish that they have been through - unable to mourn their relatives, unable to live their lives as they want or do the things they love. And I know the rage they feel with me and with the government I lead, when they think that in Downing Street itself the rules are not being properly followed by the people who make the rules."

Quote Message: And though I cannot anticipate the conclusions of the current inquiry I have learned enough to know there were things we simply did not get right and I must take responsibility. Number 10 is a big department with the garden as an extension of the office - which has been in constant use because of the role of fresh air in stopping the virus. And when I went into that garden just after six on the 20th of May 2020, to thank groups of staff before going back into my office 25 minutes later to continue working, I believed implicitly that this was a work event."
And though I cannot anticipate the conclusions of the current inquiry I have learned enough to know there were things we simply did not get right and I must take responsibility. Number 10 is a big department with the garden as an extension of the office - which has been in constant use because of the role of fresh air in stopping the virus. And when I went into that garden just after six on the 20th of May 2020, to thank groups of staff before going back into my office 25 minutes later to continue working, I believed implicitly that this was a work event."

Quote Message: But, Mr Speaker, with hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside, I should have found some other way to thank them and I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there would be millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way. People who suffered terribly - people who were forbidden from meeting loved ones at all, inside or outside. And to them and to this house I offer my heartfelt apologies. And all I ask is that Sue Gray be allowed to complete her inquiry into that day and several others so that the full facts can be established."
But, Mr Speaker, with hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside, I should have found some other way to thank them and I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there would be millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way. People who suffered terribly - people who were forbidden from meeting loved ones at all, inside or outside. And to them and to this house I offer my heartfelt apologies. And all I ask is that Sue Gray be allowed to complete her inquiry into that day and several others so that the full facts can be established."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59958872
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Big D wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:02 pm The quicker he is gone from front line politics the better. Preferably within the next few hours.
They wont get rid of him yet, they will wait for the fuel price rises and the tax rises to kick in and then blame him for everything, kick him out then get Sunak in to come save the day, its as clear as day.
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robmatic wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 am
I like neeps wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:34 am It's very interesting the police who know everyone who goes in and out of Downing Street did nothing at the time and are doing nothing now.

Interesting in that Cressida Dick owes her job despite continued ballsups to the Tory government and is hell-bent on repaying the favour it seems.
I dunno, I have this expectation that the police are establishment-friendly regardless of who is in the top position. That's how the UK works.

I'm mostly impressed by the discipline of the entirety of the media until it became time to kick Boris. All the Westminster journos will have known about all this stuff from when it actually happened.
That's true as well - but I think we all know the majority of the print and online media as they're owned by three massive right-wingers will do basically anything to keep the Tories on the right side of the public opinion. Until you annoy them that is, which Johnson seems to have done.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:11 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:03 pm He looks like shit
Proper Palpatine impression.

Looking back on him in 2019 is quite astonishing, wonder how much he fancies it anymore.
Careful what you wish for.

Like Trump, getting the top job has revealed all the shit that was kept hidden behind the facade.

Fuck him. Worst Prime Minister of modern times, swiftly followed by the last two. Other than his obvious lying, complicity in looting the public purse by the chums, his utter laziness and inattention to detail, the Brexit Beast has claimed it's third PM as his failure to Get Brexit Done has slowly eroded his support with the headbangers.

Problem is, all the replacement candidates are equally loathsome in their own ways.
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ASMO wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:05 pm
Big D wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:02 pm The quicker he is gone from front line politics the better. Preferably within the next few hours.
They wont get rid of him yet, they will wait for the fuel price rises and the tax rises to kick in and then blame him for everything, kick him out then get Sunak in to come save the day, its as clear as day.
Sunak is tied to those tax rises. It'll be Truss most likely.

Or maybe the Tories will come to their senses and bin the entire lot of charlatans.
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I like neeps wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:06 pm
robmatic wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 am
I like neeps wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:34 am It's very interesting the police who know everyone who goes in and out of Downing Street did nothing at the time and are doing nothing now.

Interesting in that Cressida Dick owes her job despite continued ballsups to the Tory government and is hell-bent on repaying the favour it seems.
I dunno, I have this expectation that the police are establishment-friendly regardless of who is in the top position. That's how the UK works.

I'm mostly impressed by the discipline of the entirety of the media until it became time to kick Boris. All the Westminster journos will have known about all this stuff from when it actually happened.
That's true as well - but I think we all know the majority of the print and online media as they're owned by three massive right-wingers will do basically anything to keep the Tories on the right side of the public opinion. Until you annoy them that is, which Johnson seems to have done.
Yes. The Cameron pig story was funny but was a pretty dark reminder of who holds the power in this country.
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Chris Bryant (Lab) wrote:So, the prime minister didn’t spot that he was at a social event. That’s the excuse isn’t it? Come off it.

I mean how stupid does the prime minister think the British people are.

The worst of it is he’s already managed to completely destroy Allegra Stratton’s career, he’s tarnished the reputation of Lord Geidt, and now he’s making fools of every single MP who cheered him earlier, every single one who goes out on the radio and television to defend this shower of shenanigans.

Would it not be absolutely despicable if, in the search for a scapegoat, some junior member of staff ends up losing their job, but he kept his?
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Yeah, right...
Conservative MP Christopher Chope describes the prime minister's apology as "genuinely sincere".

"I’ve never heard such an abject apology from a government minister in my 30-plus years in this place," he tells the BBC.

"I think that the prime minister showed contrition and he realised he had done the wrong thing in not intervening at the time and all the rest of it.

“I think when somebody makes an apology like that, reasonable people accept the apology - obviously with the caveat that this is continuing because there’s a continuing inquiry.”

He says in the short term "this is a monumental relief to myself and lots of other colleagues because we didn't think he'd be able to carry on" if he did not confirm whether he attended the party or not.

However, Chope adds that it is disappointing that the prime minister has got caught up in the "arrogance of the establishment", with civil servants and ministers at the top feeling they can behave in a different way to ordinary people.
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tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:29 pm Yeah, right...
Conservative MP Christopher Chope describes the prime minister's apology as "genuinely sincere".

"I’ve never heard such an abject apology from a government minister in my 30-plus years in this place," he tells the BBC.

"I think that the prime minister showed contrition and he realised he had done the wrong thing in not intervening at the time and all the rest of it.

“I think when somebody makes an apology like that, reasonable people accept the apology - obviously with the caveat that this is continuing because there’s a continuing inquiry.”

He says in the short term "this is a monumental relief to myself and lots of other colleagues because we didn't think he'd be able to carry on" if he did not confirm whether he attended the party or not.

However, Chope adds that it is disappointing that the prime minister has got caught up in the "arrogance of the establishment", with civil servants and ministers at the top feeling they can behave in a different way to ordinary people.
Nothing to see here , can't we just move on , we all make mistakes , much more important issues to concentrate on
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Dogbert wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:01 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:29 pm Yeah, right...
Conservative MP Christopher Chope describes the prime minister's apology as "genuinely sincere".

"I’ve never heard such an abject apology from a government minister in my 30-plus years in this place," he tells the BBC.

"I think that the prime minister showed contrition and he realised he had done the wrong thing in not intervening at the time and all the rest of it.

“I think when somebody makes an apology like that, reasonable people accept the apology - obviously with the caveat that this is continuing because there’s a continuing inquiry.”

He says in the short term "this is a monumental relief to myself and lots of other colleagues because we didn't think he'd be able to carry on" if he did not confirm whether he attended the party or not.

However, Chope adds that it is disappointing that the prime minister has got caught up in the "arrogance of the establishment", with civil servants and ministers at the top feeling they can behave in a different way to ordinary people.
Nothing to see here , can't we just move on , we all make mistakes , much more important issues to concentrate on
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Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:30 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:26 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:24 pm

It was like kicking a puppy, anyone could have done that.

Blackford was much better this week
OK but kicking the puppy is what was needed. Boris was humiliated and reduced to a bumbling mess.
I think he should have concentrated more on breaking the Ministerial Code and try to get him to admit to something there once he had him on the ropes.

Great question from Toby Perkins, whoever he is.
Does Starmer actually want to force Johnson to resign? Starmer was formally a public prosecuter and knows how to question. Boris was reduced to a shambling, embarrassed mess for the biggest audience for PMQs for….. Also very short questions and snivelling answers for the news clips.
Keeping Bozo in for at least the local elections could be a very good short and long term strategy.
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Labour really need Boris to go reasonably quickly - there needs to be time before the next GE to expose whoever is in the next cabinet for the lying, mendacious pricks they are, rather than letting them get to an election on the bubble of respectability a newly elected leader might have.

Truss would definitely finish the Union. Hasn't the first idea about devolved matters and would stir up memories of Thatcher.
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tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:29 pm Yeah, right...
Conservative MP Christopher Chope describes the prime minister's apology as "genuinely sincere".

"I’ve never heard such an abject apology from a government minister in my 30-plus years in this place," he tells the BBC.

"I think that the prime minister showed contrition and he realised he had done the wrong thing in not intervening at the time and all the rest of it.

“I think when somebody makes an apology like that, reasonable people accept the apology - obviously with the caveat that this is continuing because there’s a continuing inquiry.”

He says in the short term "this is a monumental relief to myself and lots of other colleagues because we didn't think he'd be able to carry on" if he did not confirm whether he attended the party or not.

However, Chope adds that it is disappointing that the prime minister has got caught up in the "arrogance of the establishment", with civil servants and ministers at the top feeling they can behave in a different way to ordinary people.
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Biffer wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:07 pm Labour really need Boris to go reasonably quickly - there needs to be time before the next GE to expose whoever is in the next cabinet for the lying, mendacious pricks they are, rather than letting them get to an election on the bubble of respectability a newly elected leader might have.

Truss would definitely finish the Union. Hasn't the first idea about devolved matters and would stir up memories of Thatcher.
Time to join the Tory party so I can vote for Truss as the new Conservative leader then :thumbup:
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Dogbert wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:01 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:29 pm Yeah, right...
Conservative MP Christopher Chope describes the prime minister's apology as "genuinely sincere".

"I’ve never heard such an abject apology from a government minister in my 30-plus years in this place," he tells the BBC.

"I think that the prime minister showed contrition and he realised he had done the wrong thing in not intervening at the time and all the rest of it.

“I think when somebody makes an apology like that, reasonable people accept the apology - obviously with the caveat that this is continuing because there’s a continuing inquiry.”

He says in the short term "this is a monumental relief to myself and lots of other colleagues because we didn't think he'd be able to carry on" if he did not confirm whether he attended the party or not.

However, Chope adds that it is disappointing that the prime minister has got caught up in the "arrogance of the establishment", with civil servants and ministers at the top feeling they can behave in a different way to ordinary people.
Nothing to see here , can't we just move on , we all make mistakes , much more important issues to concentrate on
This is quite comforting, if I'm ever caught doing 50 in a 30 a simple and heartfelt apology should suffice.
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Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14 pm Everyone talks about Starmer being “forensic” and “detailed” due to his legal background, but he’s just a bit shit at this really
He has absolutely no charisma. I think people think he has charisma because everyone says he's "forensic" and a "former prosecutor" but there's really nothing there.
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GogLais wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:51 pm
Dogbert wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:01 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:29 pm Yeah, right...

Nothing to see here , can't we just move on , we all make mistakes , much more important issues to concentrate on
This is quite comforting, if I'm ever caught doing 50 in a 30 a simple and heartfelt apology should suffice.
As long as you "believe" that the speed limit was 50, it's OK
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I like neeps wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:21 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14 pm Everyone talks about Starmer being “forensic” and “detailed” due to his legal background, but he’s just a bit shit at this really
He has absolutely no charisma. I think people think he has charisma because everyone says he's "forensic" and a "former prosecutor" but there's really nothing there.
I can't imagine anyone correlates those with charisma. If anything people mentione those in his defence when talking about him lacking charisma.

He was pretty angry today and came across very well. Charisma would help him more when it comes to appealing to voters but when it comes to giving Boris a kicking Starmer doesn't need charisma, just integrity and some passion.
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tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:23 pm
GogLais wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:51 pm
Dogbert wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:01 pm

Nothing to see here , can't we just move on , we all make mistakes , much more important issues to concentrate on
This is quite comforting, if I'm ever caught doing 50 in a 30 a simple and heartfelt apology should suffice.
As long as you "believe" that the speed limit was 50, it's OK
so long as you believe it was implicitly 50, even.
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tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:29 pm Yeah, right...
Conservative MP Christopher Chope describes the prime minister's apology as "genuinely sincere".

"I’ve never heard such an abject apology from a government minister in my 30-plus years in this place," he tells the BBC.

"I think that the prime minister showed contrition and he realised he had done the wrong thing in not intervening at the time and all the rest of it.

“I think when somebody makes an apology like that, reasonable people accept the apology - obviously with the caveat that this is continuing because there’s a continuing inquiry.”

He says in the short term "this is a monumental relief to myself and lots of other colleagues because we didn't think he'd be able to carry on" if he did not confirm whether he attended the party or not.

However, Chope adds that it is disappointing that the prime minister has got caught up in the "arrogance of the establishment", with civil servants and ministers at the top feeling they can behave in a different way to ordinary people.
To be fair; I'm sure there's a great deal of sympathy for the Bumblecunt, from previous Leaders; who've found themselves being dropped in the shit; by faithless, useless, & careerist, lackys, MPs, & Mininsters !
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JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:27 pm
I like neeps wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:21 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14 pm Everyone talks about Starmer being “forensic” and “detailed” due to his legal background, but he’s just a bit shit at this really
He has absolutely no charisma. I think people think he has charisma because everyone says he's "forensic" and a "former prosecutor" but there's really nothing there.
I can't imagine anyone correlates those with charisma. If anything people mentione those in his defence when talking about him lacking charisma.

He was pretty angry today and came across very well. Charisma would help him more when it comes to appealing to voters but when it comes to giving Boris a kicking Starmer doesn't need charisma, just integrity and some passion.
I think you do as when you think of prosecution lawyers you do think of charisma as most people's interaction with them is through fictionalised TV and film.
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Biffer wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:27 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:23 pm
GogLais wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:51 pm

This is quite comforting, if I'm ever caught doing 50 in a 30 a simple and heartfelt apology should suffice.
As long as you "believe" that the speed limit was 50, it's OK
so long as you believe it was implicitly 50, even.
And if you state that had you realised that the speed limit was actually 30, that's the speed you would have been driving
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