NPR

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:42 am

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:19 am

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:09 am Common sense prevailed. The videos were put out there online from virtually day one last year so everyone could witness his exercising self-defence against all 4 people who attacked him. Perhaps the most amazing thing was that he was charged in the first place. Well, until you remember that he was charged 2 days after the incidents and therefore well before a thorough investigation had taken place. Clearly a political trial.

I suppose it's fair to ask how the heck can a 17 year old roam around with an assault rifle. I suppose the answer is that when you have crowds of scumbags, many armed with assault rifles and molotov cocktails, roaming around torching a city to the tune of $50m while law enforcement does fuck all you will inevitably get citizens who are prepared to try and do something for the community rather than sit there watching it on a livestream.

Common sense hasn't prevailed. Common sense is not putting yourself in that position. Common sense is not having 17 year olds being able to access assault rifles. Common sense is training your police force properly. Common sense is having proper gun laws.

The jury applied common sense to their deliberations and verdict based on the evidence and the bleedin' obvious.

Also I note that your call for common sense doesn't include the authorities who allowed the riots to happen and the common or garden scum who did the rioting. I guess ultimately the Darwin award nominees were perhaps the ones who showed the least common sense. Rittenhouse's decision to arm himself seems like a very wise one in terms of his personal health.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:35 am

It does send out a message.

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:42 am

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:19 am

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:09 am Common sense prevailed. The videos were put out there online from virtually day one last year so everyone could witness his exercising self-defence against all 4 people who attacked him. Perhaps the most amazing thing was that he was charged in the first place. Well, until you remember that he was charged 2 days after the incidents and therefore well before a thorough investigation had taken place. Clearly a political trial.

I suppose it's fair to ask how the heck can a 17 year old roam around with an assault rifle. I suppose the answer is that when you have crowds of scumbags, many armed with assault rifles and molotov cocktails, roaming around torching a city to the tune of $50m while law enforcement does fuck all you will inevitably get citizens who are prepared to try and do something for the community rather than sit there watching it on a livestream.

Common sense hasn't prevailed. Common sense is not putting yourself in that position. Common sense is not having 17 year olds being able to access assault rifles. Common sense is training your police force properly. Common sense is having proper gun laws.

The jury applied common sense to their deliberations and verdict based on the evidence and the bleedin' obvious.

Also I note that your call for common sense doesn't include the authorities who allowed the riots to happen and the common or garden scum who did the rioting. I guess ultimately the Darwin award nominees were perhaps the ones who showed the least common sense. Rittenhouse's decision to arm himself seems like a very wise one in terms of his personal health.

TB63 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:02 am

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:42 am

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:19 am

Common sense hasn't prevailed. Common sense is not putting yourself in that position. Common sense is not having 17 year olds being able to access assault rifles. Common sense is training your police force properly. Common sense is having proper gun laws.

The jury applied common sense to their deliberations and verdict based on the evidence and the bleedin' obvious.

Also I note that your call for common sense doesn't include the authorities who allowed the riots to happen and the common or garden scum who did the rioting. I guess ultimately the Darwin award nominees were perhaps the ones who showed the least common sense. Rittenhouse's decision to arm himself seems like a very wise one in terms of his personal health.

Are you still pissed????

17 yr old, AR15 semi automatic rifle pre loaded with 30 rounds of FMJ rounds.
WTF does anyone need that level of armament for?
Self fucking defence my arse, let's just take a fucking howitzer to a Greenpeace march next time and claim self defence against vegans..

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:04 am

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:42 am

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:19 am

Common sense hasn't prevailed. Common sense is not putting yourself in that position. Common sense is not having 17 year olds being able to access assault rifles. Common sense is training your police force properly. Common sense is having proper gun laws.

The jury applied common sense to their deliberations and verdict based on the evidence and the bleedin' obvious.

Also I note that your call for common sense doesn't include the authorities who allowed the riots to happen and the common or garden scum who did the rioting. I guess ultimately the Darwin award nominees were perhaps the ones who showed the least common sense. Rittenhouse's decision to arm himself seems like a very wise one in terms of his personal health.

Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there. he lives miles away. He showed zero common sense. i'm going to attend a riot with a large weapon doesn't really scream common sense. Training you police properly and having proper gun laws covers the authorities allowing the riots to happen which wouldn't have happened if american police forces weren't a gun toting shoot first ask questions later shower of shit*. If america had a less fucked up attitude to weapons you might have proper gun laws . Quite a few layers of common sense have been bypassed to even get near this taking place.

*The various bits of american media would do themselves a massive favour by also highlighting cases of people who aren't black who end up on the receiving end of american policing incompetence.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:04 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:35 am

It does send out a message.

If you see Rittenhouse shoot him dead and claim self defence?

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:04 am

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:42 am

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:19 am

Common sense hasn't prevailed. Common sense is not putting yourself in that position. Common sense is not having 17 year olds being able to access assault rifles. Common sense is training your police force properly. Common sense is having proper gun laws.

The jury applied common sense to their deliberations and verdict based on the evidence and the bleedin' obvious.

Also I note that your call for common sense doesn't include the authorities who allowed the riots to happen and the common or garden scum who did the rioting. I guess ultimately the Darwin award nominees were perhaps the ones who showed the least common sense. Rittenhouse's decision to arm himself seems like a very wise one in terms of his personal health.

*The various bits of american media would do themselves a massive favour by also highlighting cases of people who aren't black who end up on the receiving end of american policing incompetence.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:16 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:04 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:35 am

It does send out a message.

If you see Rittenhouse shoot him dead and claim self defence?

I'm fully expecting him to run for office and be elected.

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:15 am

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:04 am

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:42 am

The jury applied common sense to their deliberations and verdict based on the evidence and the bleedin' obvious.

Also I note that your call for common sense doesn't include the authorities who allowed the riots to happen and the common or garden scum who did the rioting. I guess ultimately the Darwin award nominees were perhaps the ones who showed the least common sense. Rittenhouse's decision to arm himself seems like a very wise one in terms of his personal health.

Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there. he lives miles away. He showed zero common sense. i'm going to attend a riot with a large weapon doesn't really scream common sense. Training you police properly and having proper gun laws covers the authorities allowing the riots to happen which wouldn't have happened if american police forces weren't a gun toting shoot first ask questions later shower of shit*. If america had a less fucked up attitude to weapons you might have proper gun laws . Quite a few layers of common sense have been bypassed to even get near this taking place.

*The various bits of american media would do themselves a massive favour by also highlighting cases of people who aren't black who end up on the receiving end of american policing incompetence.

Rittenhouse had every right to be there. It's a free country and where he lived is irrelevant. Especially so when he has worked in Kenosha, his dad lives there, his grandmother, aunts and cousins live there. Who the hell are you to say he has no right to be there?

You can rant about Rittenhouse this... the police that... etc, while absolving the actual thugs and criminals of any blame, but you can't escape the fact that the jury applied common sense to the very extensive amount of evidence.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:22 am Just as a point of order, the crossing of State lines is a bit of a red heron.

Yes, technically, he shouldn't have carried his Automatic Rifle across State lines, but I believe that Rittenhouse didn't live far from the scene of the incident and using that term seeks to colour his motive as somebody actively looking for trouble. Which, to be fair, he probably was.

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:27 am

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:15 am

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:04 am

Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there. he lives miles away. He showed zero common sense. i'm going to attend a riot with a large weapon doesn't really scream common sense. Training you police properly and having proper gun laws covers the authorities allowing the riots to happen which wouldn't have happened if american police forces weren't a gun toting shoot first ask questions later shower of shit*. If america had a less fucked up attitude to weapons you might have proper gun laws . Quite a few layers of common sense have been bypassed to even get near this taking place.

*The various bits of american media would do themselves a massive favour by also highlighting cases of people who aren't black who end up on the receiving end of american policing incompetence.

Rittenhouse had every right to be there. It's a free country and where he lived is irrelevant. Especially so when he has worked in Kenosha, his dad lives there, his grandmother, aunts and cousins live there. Who the hell are you to say he has no right to be there?

You can rant about Rittenhouse this... the police that... etc, while absolving the actual thugs and criminals of any blame, but you can't escape the fact that the jury applied common sense to the very extensive amount of evidence.

You are missing my point.
Jury did apply common sense in the application of american law which I didn't dispute.
I didn't say he doesn't have a right to be there I said it was not common sense for him to be there.
Rittenhouse is very much a victim of the ailments in american society which include a lack of gun laws and attitudes to guns, inept policing, rotten media hell bent on escalating everything for $$ etc.....

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:41 am The state lines thing is pretty bizarre. It does sound bad though - "he stole a jar of pickled onions and crossed state lines to sell them". Yet even after the verdict yesterday the corporate media were peppering their outrage with "state lines".

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:37 pm

It's a technicality and by using it, the media shows their efforts to make it sound as bad as it actually was.

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:41 am The state lines thing is pretty bizarre. It does sound bad though - "he stole a jar of pickled onions and crossed state lines to sell them". Yet even after the verdict yesterday the corporate media were peppering their outrage with "state lines".

Hugo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:53 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:41 am The state lines thing is pretty bizarre. It does sound bad though - "he stole a jar of pickled onions and crossed state lines to sell them". Yet even after the verdict yesterday the corporate media were peppering their outrage with "state lines".

Good point. Its used as an intensifier - as if the "crossing state lines" bit makes the crime all the more sinister.

Pretty ridiculous angle when people might live really close to bordering states and have good reason to travel between the two frequently.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:55 pm Crossing state lines to commit a crime elevates it to a Federal crime, which will be tried in Federal a court and will carry longer sentences in Federal prisons as opposed to State prisons, according to Google.

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:27 am

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:15 am

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:04 am

Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there. he lives miles away. He showed zero common sense. i'm going to attend a riot with a large weapon doesn't really scream common sense. Training you police properly and having proper gun laws covers the authorities allowing the riots to happen which wouldn't have happened if american police forces weren't a gun toting shoot first ask questions later shower of shit*. If america had a less fucked up attitude to weapons you might have proper gun laws . Quite a few layers of common sense have been bypassed to even get near this taking place.

*The various bits of american media would do themselves a massive favour by also highlighting cases of people who aren't black who end up on the receiving end of american policing incompetence.

Rittenhouse had every right to be there. It's a free country and where he lived is irrelevant. Especially so when he has worked in Kenosha, his dad lives there, his grandmother, aunts and cousins live there. Who the hell are you to say he has no right to be there?

You can rant about Rittenhouse this... the police that... etc, while absolving the actual thugs and criminals of any blame, but you can't escape the fact that the jury applied common sense to the very extensive amount of evidence.

You are missing my point.
Jury did apply common sense in the application of american law which I didn't dispute.
I didn't say he doesn't have a right to be there I said it was not common sense for him to be there.
Rittenhouse is very much a victim of the ailments in american society which include a lack of gun laws and attitudes to guns, inept policing, rotten media hell bent on escalating everything for $$ etc.....

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:40 pm The critical thing is we need a way to stop race, sex, age etc tribalism, as it’s doing no one any good.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:06 pm ....a protest. He was looking for trouble.

Glibtor wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:15 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:06 pm ....a protest. He was looking for trouble.

This narrative is a big part of the problem.

It wasn't a protest.

It was a riot. Stupid antifa fuckers who looted and burnt down businesses. Some of those businesses being black owned fwiw.

Those same antifa fuckers who can be seen shouting the n-word... to black people who were trying to save their businesses from being destroyed.

Antifa fuckers, one of them who got out of the loony bin that morning. Another being a convicted child rapist.

All, or most of whom were white. BLM even distanced themselves from the rioters and looters.

How many of them had illegal weapons? Carried over state lines. How many of them came from states further away? Who had no business being there. Who only reason for being there was to cause trouble.

If you watched the actions of these "protesters" without any prior knowledge of the political landscape, you'd be forgiven for thinking they were the actual racists.

Guess black Friday is coming to the US a week earlier. With great specials, like 100% discount on all televisions and Nike shoes.

Hugo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:28 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:40 pm The critical thing is we need a way to stop race, sex, age etc tribalism, as it’s doing no one any good.

I agree but Its a media driven phenomenon and hard to stop because of how much influence it has in shaping our sense of reality. The media business model will always value sensationalism over facts because its ultimate goal is to gain our attention and most people are too lazy or busy to invest the time to get to the bottom of issues.

To really stop this you would have to change the way that people consume news and how they access information.

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:12 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:28 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:40 pm The critical thing is we need a way to stop race, sex, age etc tribalism, as it’s doing no one any good.

I agree but Its a media driven phenomenon and hard to stop because of how much influence it has in shaping our sense of reality. The media business model will always value sensationalism over facts because its ultimate goal is to gain our attention and most people are too lazy or busy to invest the time to get to the bottom of issues.

To really stop this you would have to change the way that people consume news and how they access information.

Not sure it’s just the media; it’s endemic and Being taught at most levels of education.

Gonna be a rough ride when the next generation get some power.

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:08 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:12 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:28 pm

I agree but Its a media driven phenomenon and hard to stop because of how much influence it has in shaping our sense of reality. The media business model will always value sensationalism over facts because its ultimate goal is to gain our attention and most people are too lazy or busy to invest the time to get to the bottom of issues.

To really stop this you would have to change the way that people consume news and how they access information.

Not sure it’s just the media; it’s endemic and Being taught at most levels of education.

Gonna be a rough ride when the next generation get some power.

Disagree, the stupidest stuff Ive seen on Twitter and Facebook has come from the older generations. I hear more stupid shit from the old than the young. The young have grown up with this and know how fake a lot of it is. I think the lack of transfer of power is part of the problem. Our media moguls and so many politicians are so old and increasingly senile.

Edit: should add I've ditched Twitter and while still have a Facebook account rarely log in and pretty much never post and hardly anyone I know on fb posts.

TB63 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:02 am Self fucking defence my arse, let's just take a fucking howitzer to a Greenpeace march next time and claim self defence against vegans..

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:22 am Just as a point of order, the crossing of State lines is a bit of a red heron.

NeilOJism wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:47 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:22 am Just as a point of order, the crossing of State lines is a bit of a red heron.

Fuck the snoresome to and fro over this, this made me

Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:56 am

NeilOJism wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:47 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:22 am Just as a point of order, the crossing of State lines is a bit of a red heron.

Fuck the snoresome to and fro over this, this made me

It's a boredism.

I didn't think it up myself.

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:40 pm The critical thing is we need a way to stop race, sex, age etc tribalism, as it’s doing no one any good.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:39 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:40 pm The critical thing is we need a way to stop race, sex, age etc tribalism, as it’s doing no one any good.

In favour of what? What the Americans (and now the Han Chinese) have sought i.e. global monoculture? What we need is subtler than that i.e. revelling in the positive differences and dampening down the ability to use differences as a.....errr.... method of division!

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:43 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:39 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:40 pm The critical thing is we need a way to stop race, sex, age etc tribalism, as it’s doing no one any good.

In favour of what? What the Americans (and now the Han Chinese) have sought i.e. global monoculture? What we need is subtler than that i.e. revelling in the positive differences and dampening down the ability to use differences as a.....errr.... method of division!

I agree, but isnt this what multiculturalism is?

Hugo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:28 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:40 pm The critical thing is we need a way to stop race, sex, age etc tribalism, as it’s doing no one any good.

I agree but Its a media driven phenomenon and hard to stop because of how much influence it has in shaping our sense of reality. The media business model will always value sensationalism over facts because its ultimate goal is to gain our attention and most people are too lazy or busy to invest the time to get to the bottom of issues.

To really stop this you would have to change the way that people consume news and how they access information.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:30 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:28 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:40 pm The critical thing is we need a way to stop race, sex, age etc tribalism, as it’s doing no one any good.

I agree but Its a media driven phenomenon and hard to stop because of how much influence it has in shaping our sense of reality. The media business model will always value sensationalism over facts because its ultimate goal is to gain our attention and most people are too lazy or busy to invest the time to get to the bottom of issues.

To really stop this you would have to change the way that people consume news and how they access information.

If Random is absolutely convinced that racism does not exist in the US, then he might have a point in exhorting people not to use it as a divisive tool.

I think it's quite clear that, if a black teenager had taken an AR15 to the Charlotville "unite the right" march and killed 2 of the protesters and injured another, that the court would not be quite so understanding.

Blaming this on the media is missing the point.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:39 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:40 pm The critical thing is we need a way to stop race, sex, age etc tribalism, as it’s doing no one any good.

In favour of what? What the Americans (and now the Han Chinese) have sought i.e. global monoculture? What we need is subtler than that i.e. revelling in the positive differences and dampening down the ability to use differences as a.....errr.... method of division!

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:42 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:43 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:39 pm

In favour of what? What the Americans (and now the Han Chinese) have sought i.e. global monoculture? What we need is subtler than that i.e. revelling in the positive differences and dampening down the ability to use differences as a.....errr.... method of division!

I agree, but isnt this what multiculturalism is?

Yes. Just that the post implied that was a problem.