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Just a gentle reminder, that what was advertised doesn't match what's being delivered.

By all accounts Barnier and EU leaders are getting right pissed off with UK and failure to progress talks and are now at point where it is going to be very difficult for them to secure agreement for any deal across all their 27 members in time for end of the year. Apparently the UK Gov doesn't have bandwidth to deal with Brexit negotiations etc and the Coronavirus lock down etc at the same time. Blonde Bumblecunt and the Brexit Ultras are too busy trying to fend off or placate their back benchers who are getting very very pissed off with them. They either grow up, swallow pride and ask for extension to the transition period (might be difficult to persuade EU members now as they are not a happy bunch and UK credibility is rock bottom) or else its, the possible plan all along, a No Deal situation and all the misery that will bring in between the 2nd and 3rd wave of coronavirus. Couldn't really have ballsed this up any better really?

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:37 pm By all accounts Barnier and EU leaders are getting right pissed off with UK and failure to progress talks and are now at point where it is going to be very difficult for them to secure agreement for any deal across all their 27 members in time for end of the year. Apparently the UK Gov doesn't have bandwidth to deal with Brexit negotiations etc and the Coronavirus lock down etc at the same time. Blonde Bumblecunt and the Brexit Ultras are too busy trying to fend off or placate their back benchers who are getting very very pissed off with them. They either grow up, swallow pride and ask for extension to the transition period (might be difficult to persuade EU members now as they are not a happy bunch and UK credibility is rock bottom) or else its, the possible plan all along, a No Deal situation and all the misery that will bring in between the 2nd and 3rd wave of coronavirus. Couldn't really have ballsed this up any better really?

Why should the EU27 extend the transition period, into a new budget cycle, to which the UK has contributed nothing ?

Why should they continue, when the UK is approving Laws they know breach International Law, & an agreement that the ink is barely dry on ?

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expre ... ction-2020

If Biden wins UK will suffer badly - and it will be entirely because of ...

Even when it was the bears I knew it was them!

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:53 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:37 pm By all accounts Barnier and EU leaders are getting right pissed off with UK and failure to progress talks and are now at point where it is going to be very difficult for them to secure agreement for any deal across all their 27 members in time for end of the year. Apparently the UK Gov doesn't have bandwidth to deal with Brexit negotiations etc and the Coronavirus lock down etc at the same time. Blonde Bumblecunt and the Brexit Ultras are too busy trying to fend off or placate their back benchers who are getting very very pissed off with them. They either grow up, swallow pride and ask for extension to the transition period (might be difficult to persuade EU members now as they are not a happy bunch and UK credibility is rock bottom) or else its, the possible plan all along, a No Deal situation and all the misery that will bring in between the 2nd and 3rd wave of coronavirus. Couldn't really have ballsed this up any better really?

Why should the EU27 extend the transition period, into a new budget cycle, to which the UK has contributed nothing ?

Why should they continue, when the UK is approving Laws they know breach International Law, & an agreement that the ink is barely dry on ?

I suspect you may be right! EU are now saying they can't get 27 members to sign off deal in time anyway. Now seems the UK is likely to cave and agree a deal that sees them become a 'rule taker' in order to get a deal. The EU will tie us up tighter than a gnats arse to avoid us going rogue and will demand repeal of elements of the IM Bill. ERG are going to go apeshit despite however the Blonde Bumbecunt might dress it up as. Cant see him lasting much beyond March/April. He will be in rehab by Easter.

“By all accounts”.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:22 pm “By all accounts”.

Are you selling Sage software?

Johnson was waiting to see if Trump won the election. If he had, he would have gone for no deal and got sold the house to Trump, concessions on everything, to get a high profile deal. With Biden looking like he's won, he has to go and take whatever scraps the EU will give him - probably enough to keep the ferries and planes flying, mutual recognition of phytosanitary and veterinary checks etc.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:26 am Johnson was waiting to see if Trump won the election. If he had, he would have gone for no deal and got sold the house to Trump, concessions on everything, to get a high profile deal. With Biden looking like he's won, he has to go and take whatever scraps the EU will give him - probably enough to keep the ferries and planes flying, mutual recognition of phytosanitary and veterinary checks etc.

and again I ask; why should the EU27 give the UK favorable concessions such as these ?

The EU will just get demands from every other country that it has a deal with, to get the same recognition, & there's no fucking way that they want to do that.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:49 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:26 am Johnson was waiting to see if Trump won the election. If he had, he would have gone for no deal and got sold the house to Trump, concessions on everything, to get a high profile deal. With Biden looking like he's won, he has to go and take whatever scraps the EU will give him - probably enough to keep the ferries and planes flying, mutual recognition of phytosanitary and veterinary checks etc.

and again I ask; why should the EU27 give the UK favorable concessions such as these ?

The EU will just get demands from every other country that it has a deal with, to get the same recognition, & there's no fucking way that they want to do that.

Much as the EU has no reason to give a toss about UK trade being damaged, it doesn't want to put itself into the position where it can be blamed for food shortages in Britain.

The checks being mutual doesn't mean there won't be, it just means all the blame goes to the UK for not being able to handle checks at ports etc.

I think Fishfoodie is right that the EU dont need but I think they will drive a hard bargain now to get a deal, they recognise the UK Gov has backed itself into a corner and has no viable exit strategy. However I do think there will be a deal but it will not prejudice any of the other EU trade deals, Blonde Bumblecunt is completely fecked! Even with a deal we are fecked for foreseeable future with checks etc at the borders, long queues at passport controls, increase price of products in the shops, lorries stuck in Kent, etc.

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:03 pm I think Fishfoodie is right that the EU dont need but I think they will drive a hard bargain now to get a deal, they recognise the UK Gov has backed itself into a corner and has no viable exit strategy. However I do think there will be a deal but it will not prejudice any of the other EU trade deals, Blonde Bumblecunt is completely fecked! Even with a deal we are fecked for foreseeable future with checks etc at the borders, long queues at passport controls, increase price of products in the shops, lorries stuck in Kent, etc.

It's a win win for the EU as things stand, Bumblecunt cannot come out of this any other way except covered in shit, could not happen to a nicer person, we will very likely see Brexitears at the end of this.

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:03 pm I think Fishfoodie is right that the EU dont need but I think they will drive a hard bargain now to get a deal, they recognise the UK Gov has backed itself into a corner and has no viable exit strategy. However I do think there will be a deal but it will not prejudice any of the other EU trade deals, Blonde Bumblecunt is completely fecked! Even with a deal we are fecked for foreseeable future with checks etc at the borders, long queues at passport controls, increase price of products in the shops, lorries stuck in Kent, etc.

I'm inclined to agree.

I don't think the UK has done anything to endear themselves to the EU: on the contrary, I think they have given the EU every justification to cast them off without a second's thought.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:39 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:03 pm I think Fishfoodie is right that the EU dont need but I think they will drive a hard bargain now to get a deal, they recognise the UK Gov has backed itself into a corner and has no viable exit strategy. However I do think there will be a deal but it will not prejudice any of the other EU trade deals, Blonde Bumblecunt is completely fecked! Even with a deal we are fecked for foreseeable future with checks etc at the borders, long queues at passport controls, increase price of products in the shops, lorries stuck in Kent, etc.

I'm inclined to agree.

I don't think the UK has done anything to endear themselves to the EU: on the contrary, I think they have given the EU every justification to cast them off without a second's thought.

I thought it was notable that Barnier's briefing to the EU27 now has three outstanding issues; it used to be just 2, the LPF, & Fisheries; but since the UK reneged on the Withdrawal Agreement, the EU27 added Governance onto the list of issues to be resolved before any deal.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:49 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:39 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:03 pm I think Fishfoodie is right that the EU dont need but I think they will drive a hard bargain now to get a deal, they recognise the UK Gov has backed itself into a corner and has no viable exit strategy. However I do think there will be a deal but it will not prejudice any of the other EU trade deals, Blonde Bumblecunt is completely fecked! Even with a deal we are fecked for foreseeable future with checks etc at the borders, long queues at passport controls, increase price of products in the shops, lorries stuck in Kent, etc.

I'm inclined to agree.

I don't think the UK has done anything to endear themselves to the EU: on the contrary, I think they have given the EU every justification to cast them off without a second's thought.

I thought it was notable that Barnier's briefing to the EU27 now has three outstanding issues; it used to be just 2, the LPF, & Fisheries; but since the UK reneged on the Withdrawal Agreement, the EU27 added Governance onto the list of issues to be resolved before any deal.

They have a deep distrust of the Blonde Bumblecunt and the Brexit Ultras and will have them trussed up like chlorinated chickens in any deal!

Biden ... thats just made Brexit a tiny bit more complicated! What cards are we still holding by the way? Sounds like we have the Queen of Spades in a game of Hunt the Cunt ... sorry Black Betty!

dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:32 am Biden ... thats just made Brexit a tiny bit more complicated! What cards are we still holding by the way? Sounds like we have the Queen of Spades in a game of Hunt the Cunt ... sorry Black Betty!

Makes it a lot easier because it means the fantasy of a post no deal deal with the US goes out the window. Now it'll be roll over to the EU, get a bad deal that's better than no deal because Biden's WH won't put up with this limit and specific illegality and everyone apart from the UK goes home.

Trump was never giving the UK good terms on a deal with the US. Trump's trade was purely transactional and about winning.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:45 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:32 am Biden ... thats just made Brexit a tiny bit more complicated! What cards are we still holding by the way? Sounds like we have the Queen of Spades in a game of Hunt the Cunt ... sorry Black Betty!

Makes it a lot easier because it means the fantasy of a post no deal deal with the US goes out the window. Now it'll be roll over to the EU, get a bad deal that's better than no deal because Biden's WH won't put up with this limit and specific illegality and everyone apart from the UK goes home.

Trump was never giving the UK good terms on a deal with the US. Trump's trade was purely transactional and about winning.

Or the largest external trading partner will just continue being that.

The Biden win changes little in one respect - a comprehensive trade deal with the US is politically impossible in the UK because the US insists (to put it simply) its food and agri standards being accepted as equivalent in the other parties internal market.

tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:03 pm The Biden win changes little in one respect - a comprehensive trade deal with the US is politically impossible in the UK because the US insists (to put it simply) its food and agri standards being accepted as equivalent in the other parties internal market.

I assume they were always just going to say they're in favour of cheap food, US standards are specified unlike the lawless EU provisions, and anyone against accepting the US deal hates the UK and/or is a traitor, and probably a remoaner

Pass the IM Bill, not only is the UK the bad guy internationally, risks deal with the US.
Withdraw bill, EU becomes bad guy if it sees through its "threat".
No brainer.

The fat bumbluecunt is already trying to lick Biden's ringpiece, his Trump card (pun intended) has been removed and he is now even more isolated than ever.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:46 am Pass the IM Bill, not only is the UK the bad guy internationally, risks deal with the US.
Withdraw bill, EU becomes bad guy if it sees through its "threat".
No brainer.

There wont be a trade deal with the USA either way - the IM bill, Biden being a plastic mick ETC are all irrelevant.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:40 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:46 am Pass the IM Bill, not only is the UK the bad guy internationally, risks deal with the US.
Withdraw bill, EU becomes bad guy if it sees through its "threat".
No brainer.

There wont be a trade deal with the USA either way - the IM bill, Biden being a plastic mick ETC are all irrelevant.

Possibly. However US economy will need a boost after pandemic.
Point stands about who's bad guy though

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:43 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:40 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:46 am Pass the IM Bill, not only is the UK the bad guy internationally, risks deal with the US.
Withdraw bill, EU becomes bad guy if it sees through its "threat".
No brainer.

There wont be a trade deal with the USA either way - the IM bill, Biden being a plastic mick ETC are all irrelevant.

Possibly. However US economy will need a boost after pandemic.
Point stands about who's bad guy though

What would the EU be doing that makes them the bad guy?

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:59 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:43 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:40 am

There wont be a trade deal with the USA either way - the IM bill, Biden being a plastic mick ETC are all irrelevant.

Possibly. However US economy will need a boost after pandemic.
Point stands about who's bad guy though

What would the EU be doing that makes them the bad guy?

Depriving NI of Wagonwheels and monster munch!

On the serious side
Boris claims WA undermines GFA by putting a border between NI and rUK.
If that is the case ( and I'm not saying it is) allow it to happen and prove it.
Ammend things after a no deal, not before.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:05 am On the serious side
Boris claims WA undermines GFA by putting a border between NI and rUK.
If that is the case ( and I'm not saying it is) allow it to happen and prove it.
Ammend things after a no deal, not before.

At some point the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras will have to stop kicking the can down the road and face up to the lose:lose scenario they have created. Who do they piss off more? What political, social and economic price are they willing to pay for whatever form of Brexit they decide to pursue? How much in hock are they to their financial and political backers in UK and outside of the UK? Who and how much dirt do they have on the Blonde bumblecunt?

It really is a matter of how deep is the shit we are in and how much deeper are they going to make it. Even with a trade deal we will still see significant disruption to trade and a significant negative impact on our economy. Politically we have trashed most of our reputation and any goodwill with two of our largest trading partners the EU and the USA. We remain a laughing stock with the rest of the world - the soya sauce debacle was just a hoot! The election of Biden has brought the phoney world of Trump and the BB crashing down, truth and reality now seems the order of the day. The sunny uplands' if they ever existed, are many, many years away.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:01 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:59 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:43 am
Possibly. However US economy will need a boost after pandemic.
Point stands about who's bad guy though

What would the EU be doing that makes them the bad guy?

Depriving NI of Wagonwheels and monster munch!

So nothing, or you're saying us leaving is on the EU so it's their fault anyway?

A deal is still possible, though both sides still think the other will blink first, which probably means no deal is more likely.
Oh happy days

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:33 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:01 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:59 am

What would the EU be doing that makes them the bad guy?

Depriving NI of Wagonwheels and monster munch!

So nothing, or you're saying us leaving is on the EU so it's their fault anyway?

What?
I've said nothing of the sort.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:35 am A deal is still possible, though both sides still think the other will blink first, which probably means no deal is more likely.
Oh happy days

A deal is likely I think - the hardman language from both sides is mainly posturing for home audiences.

Seems to me there will never be a better year to bury an unpopular deal.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:39 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:03 pm I think Fishfoodie is right that the EU dont need but I think they will drive a hard bargain now to get a deal, they recognise the UK Gov has backed itself into a corner and has no viable exit strategy. However I do think there will be a deal but it will not prejudice any of the other EU trade deals, Blonde Bumblecunt is completely fecked! Even with a deal we are fecked for foreseeable future with checks etc at the borders, long queues at passport controls, increase price of products in the shops, lorries stuck in Kent, etc.

I'm inclined to agree.

I don't think the UK has done anything to endear themselves to the EU: on the contrary, I think they have given the EU every justification to cast them off without a second's thought.

Very true. If people voted Brexit for reasons like sovereignty or whatever, then fine, so be it but Leavers have slagged off the EU as the cause of all our problems for decades and now they complain when the EU concentrates on looking after its own interests. Get real.

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:44 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:26 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:48 pm

Looks like Heinz will be the beneficiary then.

Right.

The important thing is not to look at what the data conveys, but to slant your eyes and reinterpret it so that it says what you want it to say and confirms your opinion.

It would seem that the prospect of imports attracting a 6% tariff is cause for celebration.

You have made two incorrect assumptions 1) that 6% tariff is cause for celebration and 2) That I have interpreted the data to say what I wanted it to. I was merely pointing out that Heinz was likely to to the benefactor if the facts were as you stated.

Actually the whole thing is wrong, if the UK leaves with No Deal they could if they so wish apply a 0% tariff to all soy sauce and it would just mean the Dutch end up competing on a level playing field with the Japanese or Chinese or anywhere else. What they cannot do under WTO rules is put punative rates on specific countries just because they dont like them.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:42 am

This is just something a friend told me, and I haven't fact checked it, so with that in mind -

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Oh sod it, I decided I should check it, this from the first search

Port of Rotterdam reveals scale of Brexit challenge

https://www.ft.com/content/b5ee770a-ced ... 1a884dd8c6

Brexit: Government's bill suffers heavy House of Lords defeat

Peers voted overwhelmingly to remove a section of the bill that would allow ministers to break international law - by 433 votes to 165.

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.