Stop voting for fucking Tories

[fishfoodie]

You can say the same about the useless creep Williamson who happens to be white.

It's always Open Season on white males. Females and people of colour....not so much.

Depends on if the person of colour just kisses ass, or attempts to have a mind of their own; like Sajid Javid ?

[Slick]

She has form ... lots of it! In fact 3 thousand, 2 hundred and 64 thousand and 3 million times of form.

Is it because she is a woman of colour?

Nah ... just thick and has already been sacked from ministerial role for lying and found guilty of bullying by the independent Gov watchdog who subsequently resigned when the Blonde Bumblecunt decided she did it unintentionally! Do you really want to take this any further?

I didn't think it was relevent in the first place but you do like to bring it up when it suits.

[Insane_Homer]

[I like neeps]

Homeless families ‘could save for mortgage deposits’, says Conservative candidate for London mayor

https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/ne ... mpaign=H60

Shaun Bailey is surely a parody that's gone too far.

[GogLais]

Maybe but there are what 800+ in the HoL? I’d be surprised if he brings any knowledge or experience that isn’t there already.

Sorry, just saw I didn’t respond.

Yeah, 800 is ridiculous for an upper chamber.

Should be limited to the same number as the commons and have a 20 cycle for me.

You get one term, so no re-election skull duggery

So, beefy is fine, but one of the old codgers needs to drop off the conveyor.

I’d have a second chamber that was mixed, part nominated, part elected, and the nominated members come from a wide range within society. For example you’d have the CBI and FSB nominating representatives, balanced by the Trades Unions. Faith based nominations, not just from the CoE, including humanists. Sports and Arts represented, environmental organisations etc. Generally major organisations within society. Then nominations from the major parties, plus have say 30% elected on ten year terms with a split in the terms so that half of the seats are up every five years. Ten year terms all round, no more than two terms allowed, and five year medical examinations to ensure fitness to serve. Then also potentially a voters ballot similar to jury service.

Great minds think alike. I like the US Senate model of a third up for election every two years. The only thing is if the Second Chamber elections don't coincide with general elections then turnout is going to be low.

[ASMO]

Sorry, just saw I didn’t respond.

Yeah, 800 is ridiculous for an upper chamber.

Should be limited to the same number as the commons and have a 20 cycle for me.

You get one term, so no re-election skull duggery

So, beefy is fine, but one of the old codgers needs to drop off the conveyor.

I’d have a second chamber that was mixed, part nominated, part elected, and the nominated members come from a wide range within society. For example you’d have the CBI and FSB nominating representatives, balanced by the Trades Unions. Faith based nominations, not just from the CoE, including humanists. Sports and Arts represented, environmental organisations etc. Generally major organisations within society. Then nominations from the major parties, plus have say 30% elected on ten year terms with a split in the terms so that half of the seats are up every five years. Ten year terms all round, no more than two terms allowed, and five year medical examinations to ensure fitness to serve. Then also potentially a voters ballot similar to jury service.

Great minds think alike. I like the US Senate model of a third up for election every two years. The only thing is if the Second Chamber elections don't coincide with general elections then turnout is going to be low.

Get rid of anything faith related, people who believe in imaginary friends have no place in Government

[Random1]

Strange response, the Tories are in government they take the plaudits and the fall accordingly.
Chartwell have agreed they fecked up and apologised.
The PM and Hancock have said the company agreed that they would up their game and agreed to improve.
The appallingly stuff they have sent out is not in dispute by anyone.
And tbh both the PM and Hancock thanked social media for sgining a light on what Hancock called a disgrace.

Only the staunchest Trump like right wing Tory apologist would disagree and post whataboutery given the facts.

you have to ask yourself however, would they have lifted a finger had they not have been named and shamed on social media? what checks and balances were in place to audit what was being sent out to ensure public money was being used effectively, and that families were in fact getting what was being promised?

Surely the response should be that theu will be looking to recover money from the company for the substandard and potentially fraudulent substandard food deliveries.
They shoild have served them warning that their contract was under review.
They have no business sense whatsoever.

Who needs to recover it from the contractor?

The heads of the schools?

The government distributed the funds. The schools pick the distributors.

So who doesn’t have business seemed?

[fishfoodie]

I’d have a second chamber that was mixed, part nominated, part elected, and the nominated members come from a wide range within society. For example you’d have the CBI and FSB nominating representatives, balanced by the Trades Unions. Faith based nominations, not just from the CoE, including humanists. Sports and Arts represented, environmental organisations etc. Generally major organisations within society. Then nominations from the major parties, plus have say 30% elected on ten year terms with a split in the terms so that half of the seats are up every five years. Ten year terms all round, no more than two terms allowed, and five year medical examinations to ensure fitness to serve. Then also potentially a voters ballot similar to jury service.

Great minds think alike. I like the US Senate model of a third up for election every two years. The only thing is if the Second Chamber elections don't coincide with general elections then turnout is going to be low.

Get rid of anything faith related, people who believe in imaginary friends have no place in Government

The intersection between Faith Based, & Charitable is sizeable; & as the current Governments awareness of the reality of people in poverty's lives show; necessary. The same is probably true in Education.

[Random1]

For those who are super eager to defend the corporation on the back of a PR tweet

I’m not the one being super eager. The super eager ones are people wanting to blame a Tory for everything.

Firstly - the charge was that the torries had given a fat cheque to a donor, who was chair of the company.

Which isn’t supported by the facts.

There isn’t a central contract. The scheme involves schools being given grants and then they pay who they see fit. Or even use a voucher system if they choose.

So not sure how that’s a Tory issue.

Secondly, i was pointing out that this was trial by social media, which is a fucking disease IMO

The counter point made by the company seems reasonable to me. Unless you’re saying they’re lying that it was £10.50 and for 5 days.

For me, the company has no driver to lie about it, as those particular facts are specific and measurable, and so easily confirmed (or not) with even a cursory amount of investigation, so why lie if they’d be found out so simply?

Wish a journalist would actually do some work rather than just report what they’ve read on Twitter - it whips you guys up and just reinforces your prejudices.

Strange response, the Tories are in government they take the plaudits and the fall accordingly.
Chartwell have agreed they fecked up and apologised.
The PM and Hancock have said the company agreed that they would up their game and agreed to improve.
The appallingly stuff they have sent out is not in dispute by anyone.
And tbh both the PM and Hancock thanked social media for sgining a light on what Hancock called a disgrace.

Only the staunchest Trump like right wing Tory apologist would disagree and post whataboutery given the facts.

I agree, the packages were shit and a rip off.

But the charge earlier in the thread, was one of cronyism aimed at the government.

The government aren’t party to the contract. The schools pick the contractor. I was pointing out that this can’t be used as an example of cronyism.

My latter point on trial by social media is just a personal thing. I think it is one of the things that has led to such an ill informed society.

People leap to conclusions before someone has dug through the detail - that’s what journalists used to do for us. But now, we have to do it ourselves because speed is more important than complete, unbiased reporting.

[Random1]

That’s just fucking cringe.

I don’t know why politicians do it - it’s just awful.

[C69]

That’s just fucking cringe.

I don’t know why politicians do it - it’s just awful.

It's at least consistent from this government tbh

[SaintK]

I loathe Morgan but holy shit that is truly appalling from Hancock.
Just put your fucking hands up and admit you were wrong.

[Random1]

That’s just fucking cringe.

I don’t know why politicians do it - it’s just awful.

It's at least consistent from this government tbh

Come on, you need to give boris extra points for originality when he took that jouno’s phone. That was extra special.

[salanya]

This is such a cringeworthy example of the issue with the (bipartisan) politics in the UK: it is near impossible to get politicians to be honest and admit to mistakes, or to things that weren't handled well enough.

Either they evade, they lie or they attack the opposition for whatever they did or didn't do.

You wanted to be elected, you are in charge now, so own up to things, and you can always end with a positive that this is something you'll address and improve.

[sockwithaticket]

Fucking hell, this is why Armando Iannucci stopped doing The Thick Of It, he said real life politics was getting beyond his ability to satirise it and it's only gotten worse from then.

Politicians of all stripes, though we've primarily seen it from the Tories in recent years for obvious reasons, clearly all get taught not to stray from specific talking points and to be evasive even when it's ridiculous or more difficult to 'answer' in that manner.

Hancock's a metaphorical midget of a politician, but that was awful even by his lamentable standards.

[Biffer]

I’d have a second chamber that was mixed, part nominated, part elected, and the nominated members come from a wide range within society. For example you’d have the CBI and FSB nominating representatives, balanced by the Trades Unions. Faith based nominations, not just from the CoE, including humanists. Sports and Arts represented, environmental organisations etc. Generally major organisations within society. Then nominations from the major parties, plus have say 30% elected on ten year terms with a split in the terms so that half of the seats are up every five years. Ten year terms all round, no more than two terms allowed, and five year medical examinations to ensure fitness to serve. Then also potentially a voters ballot similar to jury service.

Great minds think alike. I like the US Senate model of a third up for election every two years. The only thing is if the Second Chamber elections don't coincide with general elections then turnout is going to be low.

Get rid of anything faith related, people who believe in imaginary friends have no place in Government

In a free and open society, where there is a sizeable proportion who are religious, they have a right to a voice as much as anyone else. I’m only talking about a handful, fewer than the number of bishops in the HoL (there’s 26 of the fuckers) and including a humanist or other non secular rep. The whole point here is that the second chamber should represent society at large, faith is a part of that. Can’t play exclusionary because we don’t like it (I’m an atheist as well), because if we do it in one area, it justifies other people doing it in another area.

[sturginho]

Fucking hell, this is why Armando Iannucci stopped doing The Thick Of It, he said real life politics was getting beyond his ability to satirise it and it's only gotten worse from then.

Politicians of all stripes, though we've primarily seen it from the Tories in recent years for obvious reasons, clearly all get taught not to stray from specific talking points and to be evasive even when it's ridiculous or more difficult to 'answer' in that manner.

Hancock's a metaphorical midget of a politician, but that was awful even by his lamentable standards.

Shirley a car crash like that is much worse than just saying "yes, in hindsight it was wrong, but thankfully we've fixed it now"

Repeating "I'm glad" over and over when Morgan asks "yes or no" just makes him look thick

[sockwithaticket]

Fucking hell, this is why Armando Iannucci stopped doing The Thick Of It, he said real life politics was getting beyond his ability to satirise it and it's only gotten worse from then.

Politicians of all stripes, though we've primarily seen it from the Tories in recent years for obvious reasons, clearly all get taught not to stray from specific talking points and to be evasive even when it's ridiculous or more difficult to 'answer' in that manner.

Hancock's a metaphorical midget of a politician, but that was awful even by his lamentable standards.

Shirley a car crash like that is much worse than just saying "yes, in hindsight it was wrong, but thankfully we've fixed it now"

Repeating "I'm glad" over and over when Morgan asks "yes or no" just makes him look thick

You'd think wouldn't you? They've clearly decided otherwise.

Anecdotally the obvious, deliberate evasion does absolutely nothing to positively impact the rock bottom opinion most seem to hold of politicians (the politicians they're aware of and regularly see on TV at least, I'm sure plenty of our 650 MPs are perfectly diligent and do right by their constituents).

[ASMO]

Great minds think alike. I like the US Senate model of a third up for election every two years. The only thing is if the Second Chamber elections don't coincide with general elections then turnout is going to be low.

Get rid of anything faith related, people who believe in imaginary friends have no place in Government

In a free and open society, where there is a sizeable proportion who are religious, they have a right to a voice as much as anyone else. I’m only talking about a handful, fewer than the number of bishops in the HoL (there’s 26 of the fuckers) and including a humanist or other non secular rep. The whole point here is that the second chamber should represent society at large, faith is a part of that. Can’t play exclusionary because we don’t like it (I’m an atheist as well), because if we do it in one area, it justifies other people doing it in another area.

Disagree completely, religion is a personal belief, is very divisive and has no place in any form of government, these people you mention will still be represented even if there are no religious people there.

[Openside]

IH you really are whinger in chief, I bet you were a total snitch at school. You just want to rubbish everything, I am sure you have never made a slip of the tongue It’s hardly headline news.

and you'll defend almost anything tory, so I bet you're a total cunt.

I absolutely do not! I think there are lots of things that i think could have been done better but I don't have all the information they do (so may not have grasped potential pitfalls) I also don't want to be doing it myself so I take that into account. You are just relentlessly negative and whiny about everything I bet you are a really boring cunt.

[Sandstorm]

Whenever I see Hancock calling from his narrow Red Room, I imagine removing the pictures from behind him, painting the walls grey and putting a row of bars in front of his face.

[Biffer]

IH you really are whinger in chief, I bet you were a total snitch at school. You just want to rubbish everything, I am sure you have never made a slip of the tongue It’s hardly headline news.

and you'll defend almost anything tory, so I bet you're a total cunt.

I absolutely do not! I think there are lots of things that i think could have been done better but I don't have all the information they do (so may not have grasped potential pitfalls) I also don't want to be doing it myself so I take that into account. You are just relentlessly negative and whiny about everything I bet you are a really boring cunt.

Not restricted to this particular topic, but I always cringe when I read something like this. To me it buys into the ‘masters and betters’ narrative of the class system that the people in power must be smarter than us and know more than us because they’re the people in power. Particularly if they went to the right school, have a plummy accent and inherited wealth.

That’s not directed really at you or this topic, it’s just a bit of phraseology that’s often thrown out to justify a line which grinds my gears.

[GogLais]

Get rid of anything faith related, people who believe in imaginary friends have no place in Government

In a free and open society, where there is a sizeable proportion who are religious, they have a right to a voice as much as anyone else. I’m only talking about a handful, fewer than the number of bishops in the HoL (there’s 26 of the fuckers) and including a humanist or other non secular rep. The whole point here is that the second chamber should represent society at large, faith is a part of that. Can’t play exclusionary because we don’t like it (I’m an atheist as well), because if we do it in one area, it justifies other people doing it in another area.

Disagree completely, religion is a personal belief, is very divisive and has no place in any form of government, these people you mention will still be represented even if there are no religious people there.

I hesitate to get philosophical but all beliefs are personal aren't they? The divide between the religious and non-religious is generally far less toxic than between say Leave and Remain, at least in my experience. I wouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, if having a few religious people was the price of a reformed Second Chamber I'd be willing to pay it.

[Sandstorm]

Not restricted to this particular topic, but I always cringe when I read something like this. To me it buys into the ‘masters and betters’ narrative of the class system that the people in power must be smarter than us and know more than us because they’re the people in power. Particularly if they went to the right school, have a plummy accent and inherited wealth.

That’s not directed really at you or this topic, it’s just a bit of phraseology that’s often thrown out to justify a line which grinds my gears.

OS is a former soldier, it's ingrained in his DNA.

[Biffer]

Not restricted to this particular topic, but I always cringe when I read something like this. To me it buys into the ‘masters and betters’ narrative of the class system that the people in power must be smarter than us and know more than us because they’re the people in power. Particularly if they went to the right school, have a plummy accent and inherited wealth.

That’s not directed really at you or this topic, it’s just a bit of phraseology that’s often thrown out to justify a line which grinds my gears.

OS is a former soldier, it's ingrained in his DNA.

Ah, right. It’s an understandable mindset from that point of view (and is very necessary in the military I reckon).

[sturginho]

IH you really are whinger in chief, I bet you were a total snitch at school. You just want to rubbish everything, I am sure you have never made a slip of the tongue It’s hardly headline news.

and you'll defend almost anything tory, so I bet you're a total cunt.

I absolutely do not! I think there are lots of things that i think could have been done better but I don't have all the information they do (so may not have grasped potential pitfalls) I also don't want to be doing it myself so I take that into account. You are just relentlessly negative and whiny about everything I bet you are a really boring cunt.

because we all know that Boris is a details man

[Insane_Homer]

I absolutely do not! I think there are lots of things that i think could have been done better but I don't have all the information they do (so may not have grasped potential pitfalls) I also don't want to be doing it myself so I take that into account. You are just relentlessly negative and whiny about everything I bet you are a really boring cunt.

Whinging about me 'whining'

I absolutely do not!

Yes you do, you've just done it, again and you are, just as much as I'm a "snitch", "relentlessly negative", "whiny", "boring cunt". twat.

[I like neeps]

[Random1]

and you'll defend almost anything tory, so I bet you're a total cunt.

I absolutely do not! I think there are lots of things that i think could have been done better but I don't have all the information they do (so may not have grasped potential pitfalls) I also don't want to be doing it myself so I take that into account. You are just relentlessly negative and whiny about everything I bet you are a really boring cunt.

Not restricted to this particular topic, but I always cringe when I read something like this. To me it buys into the ‘masters and betters’ narrative of the class system that the people in power must be smarter than us and know more than us because they’re the people in power. Particularly if they went to the right school, have a plummy accent and inherited wealth.

That’s not directed really at you or this topic, it’s just a bit of phraseology that’s often thrown out to justify a line which grinds my gears.

Not sure that’s what openside means.

Have you been in a decision making position during a crisis where you’re making judgement calls on something that’ll impact others?

It’s not a criticism if you haven’t, not many people have managed crises, let alone one of this scale.

In case you haven’t, One of the things that is likely to happen is that people who aren’t ‘in the room’ criticise the decision from afar. They are often without all the facts you are in possession of, as in most highly complex, fast moving situations, there’s myriad things to balance.

I suspect open side may have been in that sort of a decision making role, as he’s got the humility to understand that he won’t know a fraction about the decision making criteria used to make the calls the ministers and civil servants are currently making.

His point about him not wanting to be a politician is a good one too.

[Insane_Homer]

He's has no problem passing opinions about all thing Labour/Corbyn/Abbott on PR without needing to know "All of the facts"

[Random1]

He's has no problem passing opinions about all thing Labour/Corbyn/Abbott on PR without needing to know "All of the facts"

Ha! Well, I’ll let him defend that!

[ASMO]

I absolutely do not! I think there are lots of things that i think could have been done better but I don't have all the information they do (so may not have grasped potential pitfalls) I also don't want to be doing it myself so I take that into account. You are just relentlessly negative and whiny about everything I bet you are a really boring cunt.

Not restricted to this particular topic, but I always cringe when I read something like this. To me it buys into the ‘masters and betters’ narrative of the class system that the people in power must be smarter than us and know more than us because they’re the people in power. Particularly if they went to the right school, have a plummy accent and inherited wealth.

That’s not directed really at you or this topic, it’s just a bit of phraseology that’s often thrown out to justify a line which grinds my gears.

Not sure that’s what openside means.

Have you been in a decision making position during a crisis where you’re making judgement calls on something that’ll impact others?

It’s not a criticism if you haven’t, not many people have managed crises, let alone one of this scale.

In case you haven’t, One of the things that is likely to happen is that people who aren’t ‘in the room’ criticise the decision from afar. They are often without all the facts you are in possession of, as in most highly complex, fast moving situations, there’s myriad things to balance.

I suspect open side may have been in that sort of a decision making role, as he’s got the humility to understand that he won’t know a fraction about the decision making criteria used to make the calls the ministers and civil servants are currently making.

His point about him not wanting to be a politician is a good one too.

I have, however the difference is that politicians dont do it for the benefit of people, only for political ends, the benefit of them or their mates or the party, those are the filters through which all of their decision making is made. I speak from experience having worked closely with politicians from all sides for many many years.

[Openside]

This is such a cringeworthy example of the issue with the (bipartisan) politics in the UK: it is near impossible to get politicians to be honest and admit to mistakes, or to things that weren't handled well enough.

Either they evade, they lie or they attack the opposition for whatever they did or didn't do.

You wanted to be elected, you are in charge now, so own up to things, and you can always end with a positive that this is something you'll address and improve.

I agree I think they under estimate peoples ability to handle bare facts. all he needed to say was I didn't feel the govt at the time needed to take that action. Public opinion seemed to suggest this was not a popular move so it was re-looked at and the decision was reversed. I am pleased this has now been resolved.

[Openside]

and you'll defend almost anything tory, so I bet you're a total cunt.

I absolutely do not! I think there are lots of things that i think could have been done better but I don't have all the information they do (so may not have grasped potential pitfalls) I also don't want to be doing it myself so I take that into account. You are just relentlessly negative and whiny about everything I bet you are a really boring cunt.

Not restricted to this particular topic, but I always cringe when I read something like this. To me it buys into the ‘masters and betters’ narrative of the class system that the people in power must be smarter than us and know more than us because they’re the people in power. Particularly if they went to the right school, have a plummy accent and inherited wealth.

That’s not directed really at you or this topic, it’s just a bit of phraseology that’s often thrown out to justify a line which grinds my gears.

I think you misunderstand me it is nothing to do with masters and betters being smarter than us - I have experience of this in the Army, soldiers moan about everything (and sometimes they are right to) but quite often things need to be done in a certain way to ensure things are not missed or happen safely. The soldiers are not aware of these constraints and are just moaning because the transport isn't there to collect them etc.

I think the government are doing a pretty good job in frankly appalling circumstances - half the country want to fuck the elderly to save the economy the other half are happy sitting on their arse getting paid 80% for walking the dog (all fractions are plucked out of thin air) - The country is horribly divided already over Brexit the pandemic is just making it worse. Sitting on the sidelines moaning about everything isn't helping anyone. If people are so convinced they have all the answers, put your shoulder to the wheel and stand for election.

[Biffer]

I absolutely do not! I think there are lots of things that i think could have been done better but I don't have all the information they do (so may not have grasped potential pitfalls) I also don't want to be doing it myself so I take that into account. You are just relentlessly negative and whiny about everything I bet you are a really boring cunt.

Not restricted to this particular topic, but I always cringe when I read something like this. To me it buys into the ‘masters and betters’ narrative of the class system that the people in power must be smarter than us and know more than us because they’re the people in power. Particularly if they went to the right school, have a plummy accent and inherited wealth.

That’s not directed really at you or this topic, it’s just a bit of phraseology that’s often thrown out to justify a line which grinds my gears.

I think you misunderstand me it is nothing to do with masters and betters being smarter than us - I have experience of this in the Army, soldiers moan about everything (and sometimes they are right to) but quite often things need to be done in a certain way to ensure things are not missed or happen safely. The soldiers are not aware of these constraints and are just moaning because the transport isn't there to collect them etc.

I think the government are doing a pretty good job in frankly appalling circumstances - half the country want to fuck the elderly to save the economy the other half are happy sitting on their arse getting paid 80% for walking the dog (all fractions are plucked out of thin air) - The country is horribly divides already over Brexit the pandemic is just making it worse. Sitting on the sidelines moaning about everything isn't helping anyone. If people are so convinced they have all the answers put your shoulder to the wheel and stand for election.

As I EXPLICITLY SAID it wasn’t aimed at you, it’s just a bit of phraseology that annoys me.

[Openside]

He's has no problem passing opinions about all thing Labour/Corbyn/Abbott on PR without needing to know "All of the facts"

You will of course be able to substantiate this claim with numerous examples of passing opinions on 'all things Labour/Corbyn/Abbott'

I suspect you will find very little other than the belief at the last election Corbyn made Labour unelectable (hardly a exclusive opinion and one borne out by the facts) and re Abbott besides laughing at her terrible grasp of Maths, her hypocrisy and privately educating her son and appearing on telly wearing two left shoes there will be diddly squat.

[Openside]

He's has no problem passing opinions about all thing Labour/Corbyn/Abbott on PR without needing to know "All of the facts"

Looks like Whinger boy his becoming a stalker - Good O

[dpedin]

I absolutely do not! I think there are lots of things that i think could have been done better but I don't have all the information they do (so may not have grasped potential pitfalls) I also don't want to be doing it myself so I take that into account. You are just relentlessly negative and whiny about everything I bet you are a really boring cunt.

Not restricted to this particular topic, but I always cringe when I read something like this. To me it buys into the ‘masters and betters’ narrative of the class system that the people in power must be smarter than us and know more than us because they’re the people in power. Particularly if they went to the right school, have a plummy accent and inherited wealth.

That’s not directed really at you or this topic, it’s just a bit of phraseology that’s often thrown out to justify a line which grinds my gears.

I think you misunderstand me it is nothing to do with masters and betters being smarter than us - I have experience of this in the Army, soldiers moan about everything (and sometimes they are right to) but quite often things need to be done in a certain way to ensure things are not missed or happen safely. The soldiers are not aware of these constraints and are just moaning because the transport isn't there to collect them etc.

I think the government are doing a pretty good job in frankly appalling circumstances - half the country want to fuck the elderly to save the economy the other half are happy sitting on their arse getting paid 80% for walking the dog (all fractions are plucked out of thin air) - The country is horribly divides already over Brexit the pandemic is just making it worse. Sitting on the sidelines moaning about everything isn't helping anyone. If people are so convinced they have all the answers put your shoulder to the wheel and stand for election.

I find it really difficult to accept the Gov has done a pretty god job when by almost every international measure we have one of the highest death rates due to covid19 and one of the biggest collapses in GDP of every comparable country. As the 5th richest country in the world we have one of the worst outcomes of dealing with covid19. We are close to or beyond 100,000 deaths and suffered the biggest number of excess deaths since WW2. If this is a pretty good job then I'm living in a different world. What specific measures do you use when coming to the conclusion we have done pretty good job? Brexit was a choice and to implement it now when we could have sought an extension due to covid19 pandemic is a self inflicted injury.

[Insane_Homer]

Oh look, he's now suddenly the type that lectures scientists and entertainers et al telling them stay out politics.

Besides, I'm too honest to go anywhere near politics and the pay is shyte. Although some of the holidays, kick backs, benefits could be maybe make up for it some of, if I were lazy enough.

I tried it once with reffing.

[Openside]

Oh look, he's now suddenly the type that lectures scientists and entertainers et al telling them stay out politics.

Besides, I'm too honest to go anywhere near politics and the pay is shyte. Although some of the holidays, kick backs, benefits could be maybe make up for it some of, if I were lazy enough.

I tried it once with reffing.

I have done nothing of the sort you deluded cretin