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petej wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:18 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:04 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:43 am Rats in a sack!

Once you accept they are all self serving cnuts then nothing surprises you anymore. They will destroy each other eventually and I honestly don't give a sh1t, however the collateral damage to our country, our institutions and our people has been and will continue to be immense and unforgivable.

We have had the debate elsewhere on this site about Scotland and its politics and I still honestly believe that the SNP are doing so well up here not because of the people of Scotland have swung towards independence, although that sentiment has grown since the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras came into power, but more because we don't want to be shackled to a Tory Gov driven by racists, misogynists, nonces and crooks who don't give a shit about anyone north of Watford unless if involves shooting grouse or chasing foxes. The Tory party lurch to the far right and adoption of populist and racist policies has driven them further and further away from the political views of the majority of Scotland and with the collapse of a sensible Labour Party under Corbyn folk were left with little choice. Wee Nic isn't a left wing zealot, many of her policies are pretty main stream and centrist and wouldn't have looked out of place in previous Tory governments let alone Labour ones. They are popular with the majority of voters in Scotland. it is the fear that folk feel when looking over the border and seeing the mayhem and destruction being wrought by this bunch of destructive, disaster venture capitalist backed Gov that makes folk vote SNP. Starmer may change the dynamics but in the interim all JRM has done in his ludicrous comments about the Scottish Tory assistant referee has confirmed the above in many of folks minds.

There's that side of it, but you've got to realise why the unionist parties don't want to let their Scottish parties become separate - and this applies to some people in those parties in Scotland as well as down south. If they separate, it will allow people of a pro-independence mindset to put their case to the Scottish party. There are right wing and left wing pro independence viewpoints, and these were heartily squashed in the last referendum. E.g. various trades union banned debate or votes at Scottish conferences (if I remember rightly Prospect were really worried as many branch offices had voted in favour). With the SNP moving further left since Sturgeon took over from Salmond, there are some of the more traditional / country seats full of old school right of centre voters who are looking for a home, and I get the feeling that's what Alba was wanting to be (but it ended up full of loonies and ended up looking more like UKIP).

This is probably more a conversation for the Scottish Politics thread I reckon, so I'll leave it there.

Scottish labour have taken a daft position on independence by going all in on unionist. A more neutral position would have been better for them. Allowing independence voices to have a voice is important in the main parties. Totally shutting it down has has hurt labour far more than it has the Tories.

salanya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:30 am

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:21 am

salanya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:52 am

I think we all know about JRM's attitudes, but for him to call the Conservative leader in Scotland 'lightweight' openly on television is pretty callous. Didn't even try to wheel back on his words either. Very publicly disregarding conservatives in Scotland.

Charlie Stayte making Brandon Lewis look very silly on Breakfast - not too difficult.

I actually think Goves comments are much worse - “he’s in Elgin, the National leader is in London”

From the Minister of Levelling Up… and a Scotsman

Wow, I missed that one.

The level of support for Boris is quite baffling - they all must have a lot of dirt on each other.

......his difficulties were illustrated this morning when the cabinet minister doing interviews this morning failed to deny reports that privately Johnson has been telling colleagues he has done nothing wrong.

Another Tory MP told me that in the tearoom the PM told him and colleagues 'it's not his fault and he's bravely taking the blame for others' - 'caused much consternation among colleagues' given that he'd just given a public apology

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:36 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:31 am Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

That would be par for the course - Ross calls out Johnson for his lies and deceit and Ross has to resign for it.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:37 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:31 am Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

Think that's a bit harsh. He has consistently stood up to a lot of the nonsense coming from Westminster which I think puts him in good standing. Even most loyal Scottish Torys must see the wisdom of distancing themselves from the shitshow.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:53 am Well fine, but lets not pretend we don't have our own racists, misogynists, nonces and crooks in our own government.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:31 am Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

He'd do wonders for his standing and popularity if in his resignation he has a go at that nanny boy c*nt Mogg.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:04 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:43 am Rats in a sack!

Once you accept they are all self serving cnuts then nothing surprises you anymore. They will destroy each other eventually and I honestly don't give a sh1t, however the collateral damage to our country, our institutions and our people has been and will continue to be immense and unforgivable.

We have had the debate elsewhere on this site about Scotland and its politics and I still honestly believe that the SNP are doing so well up here not because of the people of Scotland have swung towards independence, although that sentiment has grown since the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras came into power, but more because we don't want to be shackled to a Tory Gov driven by racists, misogynists, nonces and crooks who don't give a shit about anyone north of Watford unless if involves shooting grouse or chasing foxes. The Tory party lurch to the far right and adoption of populist and racist policies has driven them further and further away from the political views of the majority of Scotland and with the collapse of a sensible Labour Party under Corbyn folk were left with little choice. Wee Nic isn't a left wing zealot, many of her policies are pretty main stream and centrist and wouldn't have looked out of place in previous Tory governments let alone Labour ones. They are popular with the majority of voters in Scotland. it is the fear that folk feel when looking over the border and seeing the mayhem and destruction being wrought by this bunch of destructive, disaster venture capitalist backed Gov that makes folk vote SNP. Starmer may change the dynamics but in the interim all JRM has done in his ludicrous comments about the Scottish Tory assistant referee has confirmed the above in many of folks minds.

There's that side of it, but you've got to realise why the unionist parties don't want to let their Scottish parties become separate - and this applies to some people in those parties in Scotland as well as down south. If they separate, it will allow people of a pro-independence mindset to put their case to the Scottish party. There are right wing and left wing pro independence viewpoints, and these were heartily squashed in the last referendum. E.g. various trades union banned debate or votes at Scottish conferences (if I remember rightly Prospect were really worried as many branch offices had voted in favour). With the SNP moving further left since Sturgeon took over from Salmond, there are some of the more traditional / country seats full of old school right of centre voters who are looking for a home, and I get the feeling that's what Alba was wanting to be (but it ended up full of loonies and ended up looking more like UKIP).

This is probably more a conversation for the Scottish Politics thread I reckon, so I'll leave it there.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:48 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:31 am Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

He'd do wonders for his standing and popularity if in his resignation he has a go at that nanny boy c*nt Mogg.

I'd say the opposite. Every time he's called a branch office he can show he's his own man and isn't in tow to people like Mogg. Of course if Boris does resign which I suspect he might he can also take the credit for that as well.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:11 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:48 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:31 am Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

He'd do wonders for his standing and popularity if in his resignation he has a go at that nanny boy c*nt Mogg.

I'd say the opposite. Every time he's called a branch office he can show he's his own man and isn't in tow to people like Mogg. Of course if Boris does resign which I suspect he might he can also take the credit for that as well.

Don't think he will, cabinet have all backed him. Can't imagine the Grey report will be released until there's a new story. Maybe he'll step down at the locals - maybe.

Have never been entirely convinced by the Branch Office theory. I think people are aware if you're voting for the conservatives in Scotland you're voting for the English ones. Which is a shame Ruth Davidson has been my favourite politician in a long time. She was too good for politics unfortunately.

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:18 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:11 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:48 am

I'd say the opposite. Every time he's called a branch office he can show he's his own man and isn't in tow to people like Mogg. Of course if Boris does resign which I suspect he might he can also take the credit for that as well.

Don't think he will, cabinet have all backed him. Can't imagine the Grey report will be released until there's a new story. Maybe he'll step down at the locals - maybe.

Have never been entirely convinced by the Branch Office theory. I think people are aware if you're voting for the conservatives in Scotland you're voting for the English ones. Which is a shame Ruth Davidson has been my favourite politician in a long time. She was too good for politics unfortunately.

Rumours are strong that there is further dirt to come out hence the prevaricating from the BB. He knows this too and is still shitting himself. Apparently it will continue to be drip fed into the media and every time they think they have the fire under control more petrol will be thrown on the flames. This is why more MPs are calling him out, they know he is losing his power base, it still has a long way to run.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:41 am Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:00 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:41 am Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:08 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:00 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:41 am Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:08 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:00 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:41 am Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:17 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:08 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:00 pm

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:08 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:00 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:41 am Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:11 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:48 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:31 am Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

He'd do wonders for his standing and popularity if in his resignation he has a go at that nanny boy c*nt Mogg.

I'd say the opposite. Every time he's called a branch office he can show he's his own man and isn't in tow to people like Mogg. Of course if Boris does resign which I suspect he might he can also take the credit for that as well.

Don't think he will, cabinet have all backed him. Can't imagine the Grey report will be released until there's a new story. Maybe he'll step down at the locals - maybe.

Have never been entirely convinced by the Branch Office theory. I think people are aware if you're voting for the conservatives in Scotland you're voting for the English ones. Which is a shame Ruth Davidson has been my favourite politician in a long time. She was too good for politics unfortunately.

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:38 pm If all else fails, change the narrative!

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:32 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:17 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:08 pm

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:59 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:32 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:17 pm

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:15 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:08 am and 24hrs too late; Carrie tests positive; & the Bumblecunt has to isolate.

ya right, sure.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:07 pm What a worm Rees-Mogg is. A demonstratively devout Catholic whose personal belief system is often so far from the teachings of Jesus that you wonder if he's actually ever read the Gospels.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:59 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:32 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:17 pm

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:59 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:32 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:17 pm

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

A Conservative MP faces suspension from the Commons after the standards watchdog found he undermined a formal apology over intimidatory behaviour towards staff by indicating in media interviews that he did not fully mean the gesture.
Daniel Kawczynski will be asked to make a series of fresh apologies, including to the staff members who originally complained about his actions, and who the Shrewsbury and Atcham MP effectively identified when talking about the case, the Commons standards committee found.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:19 pm It's hard to overstate just how fucking bad this current crop of Tory MPs is.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:14 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:59 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:32 pm

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

That, & the rules had to be simple; so that responsible people could abide by them; & police could enforce them. Otherwise people would have had to carry around phonebook sized sets of rules.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:52 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:14 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:59 pm

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

That, & the rules had to be simple; so that responsible people could abide by them; & police could enforce them. Otherwise people would have had to carry around phonebook sized sets of rules.

And that they weren't expecting people to comply in such overwhelming numbers.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:57 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:52 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:14 pm

That, & the rules had to be simple; so that responsible people could abide by them; & police could enforce them. Otherwise people would have had to carry around phonebook sized sets of rules.

And that they weren't expecting people to comply in such overwhelming numbers.

But again, to me that's indicative of their view of the masses. The plebs are too stupid and attached to getting drunk, they can't understand the science, so we have to be harsh with them. It'll be fine for our chaps to break the rules though.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:20 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:19 pm It's hard to overstate just how fucking bad this current crop of Tory MPs is.

They've basically become UKIP over the last 5 years.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:40 pm Tell you what though, I'm really glad we didn't get any of that chaos with Ed Miliband. We dodged a bullet there, eh?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:18 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:57 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:52 pm

And that they weren't expecting people to comply in such overwhelming numbers.

But again, to me that's indicative of their view of the masses. The plebs are too stupid and attached to getting drunk, they can't understand the science, so we have to be harsh with them. It'll be fine for our chaps to break the rules though.

We're talking about the fucker who said people burned to death in a block of flats because they lacked the common sense to get out of the building

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:59 pm

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:15 pm In non Blonde slug news this serial offender is at iot again

A Conservative MP faces suspension from the Commons after the standards watchdog found he undermined a formal apology over intimidatory behaviour towards staff by indicating in media interviews that he did not fully mean the gesture.
Daniel Kawczynski will be asked to make a series of fresh apologies, including to the staff members who originally complained about his actions, and who the Shrewsbury and Atcham MP effectively identified when talking about the case, the Commons standards committee found.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... apology

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:15 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:18 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:57 pm

But again, to me that's indicative of their view of the masses. The plebs are too stupid and attached to getting drunk, they can't understand the science, so we have to be harsh with them. It'll be fine for our chaps to break the rules though.

We're talking about the fucker who said people burned to death in a block of flats because they lacked the common sense to get out of the building

Lets not fall for the deflection from JRM about the rules being too strict, this is bullshit. At the time we knew feck all about covid, we saw people falling over in street in China and Italian health service being overwhelmed by folk dying on stretchers in corridors. We had not a feckin clue what we were dealing with nor how we were going to cope with it. Vaccines were unthinkable back then with folk saying they would be many years away. Even then we were told that 20,000 deaths would be a good result, we have over 150,000 at the moment and nearly 400 yesterday. Any sensible Gov would, in the face of an unknown and potentially deadly virus which we didnt know fully how it spread, would lock down and buy time. We absolutely had to protect the NHS so it wouldn't be overwhelmed and not cope with the peaks of the pandemic. Health workers were in bin bags and ski goggles in the wards and shitting themselves, unfortunately many died die to lack of PPE. Thousands of folks grannies and grandads were dying in unprotected care homes, cared for by brave souls on a minimum wage and no PPE either. For that miserable, toe rag fecker JRM to suggest the rules were 'too strict' in order to protect that cheating bag of shit of a PM is beyond words, beyond any words I can muster!