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ASMO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:44 am

Bloody awful, most of my best meetings have been down the pub, lots of problems solved over a pint or 2

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:31 am

And of course it wasn't just #10; it was multiple Ministries; & the likes of TPHQ, for their failed Mayoral candidate.

This is why a scrote like JRM is trying to re-write the legislation that was enforcible; & retrospectively turn these illegal parties; into innocent; "work gatherings"

ASMO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:38 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:31 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:58 am


Where did you read anyone saying that was the case?

It seems pretty heavily implied in your post. Civil servants, MPs and cabinet ministers have been getting sloshed since time immemorial, often on the job.

I fully believe Brown, Thatcher and May would have ensured this didn't happen and that Boris has created an atmosphere of lawlessness though.

Culture has definately changed since when i first started in the CS, nowadays it is completely discouraged, if you want a drink after work you slip off down the pub for a quiet one, in fact my dept has completely banned any alcohol at lunchtime.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:24 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:14 am


Cut through - any weaseling out that it was not illegal as it was on the crown estate wont wash.

Is it cut through if your polling goes up?!

A big problem labour have in these polls is Tory voters aren't saying they'll labour. They're just saying they won't vote. Which they will at an election, for the Tories.

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:14 am


Cut through - any weaseling out that it was not illegal as it was on the crown estate wont wash.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:19 am

Not going so well for Labour financially.

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:15 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:24 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:14 am


Cut through - any weaseling out that it was not illegal as it was on the crown estate wont wash.

Is it cut through if your polling goes up?!

A big problem labour have in these polls is Tory voters aren't saying they'll labour. They're just saying they won't vote. Which they will at an election, for the Tories.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... -you-think

Its not clear at all - much of the critical support in 2019 came from brand new conservatives voters and there is no reason they will 'come home' to the conservatives particularly without with Corbyn and brexit as motivators.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:20 am I think there's a misunderstanding of the "red wall". Anyone who goes to these places will see it - the high street may be crap but there's lots of developments of large homes for pretty affordable prices with big cars outside. It's cheap to live a Tory lifestyle up north, greatly facilitated by low interest rates.
These people won't vote Labour in a hurry and the constituencies are changing character as fast as places like Chesham and Amersham are becoming more Liberal.

petej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:32 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:20 am I think there's a misunderstanding of the "red wall". Anyone who goes to these places will see it - the high street may be crap but there's lots of developments of large homes for pretty affordable prices with big cars outside. It's cheap to live a Tory lifestyle up north, greatly facilitated by low interest rates.
These people won't vote Labour in a hurry and the constituencies are changing character as fast as places like Chesham and Amersham are becoming more Liberal.

The red wall seats are also demographically ageing as a lot of the young move away.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:24 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:14 am


Cut through - any weaseling out that it was not illegal as it was on the crown estate wont wash.

Is it cut through if your polling goes up?!

A big problem labour have in these polls is Tory voters aren't saying they'll labour. They're just saying they won't vote. Which they will at an election, for the Tories.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:20 am I think there's a misunderstanding of the "red wall". Anyone who goes to these places will see it - the high street may be crap but there's lots of developments of large homes for pretty affordable prices with big cars outside. It's cheap to live a Tory lifestyle up north, greatly facilitated by low interest rates.
These people won't vote Labour in a hurry and the constituencies are changing character as fast as places like Chesham and Amersham are becoming more Liberal.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:19 am

Not going so well for Labour financially.

PCPhil wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:14 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:20 am I think there's a misunderstanding of the "red wall". Anyone who goes to these places will see it - the high street may be crap but there's lots of developments of large homes for pretty affordable prices with big cars outside. It's cheap to live a Tory lifestyle up north, greatly facilitated by low interest rates.
These people won't vote Labour in a hurry and the constituencies are changing character as fast as places like Chesham and Amersham are becoming more Liberal.

I don’t get the myth that if you are doing alright you must be a tory (sub plot…Labour is for losers). Most professionals I mix with are not of that persuasion. Brexit for a lot of folk was a nice simple answer to all their disappointments and rage.

Brazil wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:19 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:19 am

Not going so well for Labour financially.

The thing she misses is that a significant portion of the debt is due to settling cases and paying legal fees that are a hangover from Jezbollah's tenure, and in particular that idiotic report that they produced absolving him, Murphy, Milne and every other trotgimp of any responsibility for the disaster of 2019. It's no coincidence that the influence of the ineptly litigious Unite Union at the time resulted in this outcome for the labour party. The sooner Starmer gets shut of the lot of the last residues of that regime the better.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:00 pm I get a sense that having to apologise to the Queen is something that will hang over Boris forever, and the Tory party will need to move fast so it doesn't linger around them more generally.

Brazil wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:19 pm
The thing she misses is that a significant portion of the debt is due to settling cases and paying legal fees that are a hangover from Jezbollah's tenure, and in particular that idiotic report that they produced absolving him, Murphy, Milne and every other trotgimp of any responsibility for the disaster of 2019. It's no coincidence that the influence of the ineptly litigious Unite Union at the time resulted in this outcome for the labour party. The sooner Starmer gets shut of the lot of the last residues of that regime the better.

the former head of the Government unit responsible for drawing covid-19 restrictions

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:19 pm

Boris Johnson is drawing up a list of officials to offer resignations over partygate in a bid to salvage his premiership, The Independent has learned.

Dubbed “Operation Save Big Dog” by the prime minister himself, the blueprint includes a drive to work out which heads should roll following the publication of senior official Sue Gray’s findings, as well as highlighting the prime minister’s achievements, according to sources.

Dan Rosenfield, Boris Johnson’s chief of staff, and Martin Reynolds, his private secretary and author of the ‘BYOB’ email, have both been noted as possible departures.

While putting names to the plan is a matter of hot debate, a more broadly accepted idea is that at least one senior political appointee and a senior official must be seen to leave Downing Street over the affair, as both groups share blame, two Whitehall sources said.

A former Tory cabinet minister told The Independent that, although they backed Mr Johnson, they believed a “root and branch” overhaul of No 10 and parts of the Cabinet Office would prove essential to move on from partygate. It would be a “bare minimum to translate contrition into action”, they said.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:37 pm What charming people....

Boris Johnson is drawing up a list of officials to offer resignations over partygate in a bid to salvage his premiership, The Independent has learned.

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:23 pm Whilst I appreciate there is a concerted effort now to get rid of the Blonde Bumblecunt, and there is still more to come I understand, they aren't really having to dig very hard to find lots and lots of shit to throw at him. It is beyond words just how much of a shithole No10 and the Cabinet was with the BB presiding. I cannot believe that we now have a PM who has made up a 'I am isolating' covid story in order to go into hiding and who is now planning an 'Operation Save Big Dog' behind closed doors involving sacrificing individuals careers to save his skin. This has actually gone beyond any 'The Thick of It' script, reality has now exceeded satirical parody in terms of how ridiculous the plot line has become. Apologies to the Queen, the Head of the Covid Taskforce having lock down parties, wine coolers in the office, bottles of wine smuggled into No10 in suitcases ... what the fuck! I honestly don't know what to say anymore, it has become unbelievably unbelievable!

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:37 pm What charming people....

Boris Johnson is drawing up a list of officials to offer resignations over partygate in a bid to salvage his premiership, The Independent has learned.

Dubbed “Operation Save Big Dog” by the prime minister himself, the blueprint includes a drive to work out which heads should roll following the publication of senior official Sue Gray’s findings, as well as highlighting the prime minister’s achievements, according to sources.

Dan Rosenfield, Boris Johnson’s chief of staff, and Martin Reynolds, his private secretary and author of the ‘BYOB’ email, have both been noted as possible departures.

While putting names to the plan is a matter of hot debate, a more broadly accepted idea is that at least one senior political appointee and a senior official must be seen to leave Downing Street over the affair, as both groups share blame, two Whitehall sources said.

A former Tory cabinet minister told The Independent that, although they backed Mr Johnson, they believed a “root and branch” overhaul of No 10 and parts of the Cabinet Office would prove essential to move on from partygate. It would be a “bare minimum to translate contrition into action”, they said.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 93433.html