NPR

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:42 pm**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:38 pm The 'large percentage' he wrote about did not mention deaths. Only you linked that - perhaps just after the red mist descended when you noticed that someone else was wrong on the internet.

I quoted the whole post , it was therefore pretty clear who mentioned killing. Some hoop to leap through there.

The other clue tying it all in was the word “even”.....

Perhaps taking your own advice and actually reading before trying (dismally) to be clever would be a better use of your energy.

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:48 pm**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:42 pm
Enzedder wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:38 pm The 'large percentage' he wrote about did not mention deaths. Only you linked that - perhaps just after the red mist descended when you noticed that someone else was wrong on the internet.

I quoted the whole post , it was therefore pretty clear who mentioned killing. Some hoop to leap through there.

The other clue tying it all in was the word “even”.....

Perhaps taking your own advice and actually reading before trying (dismally) to be clever would be a better use of your energy.

This is what you wrote

“A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

I can only see a comment about deaths in your post. Please enlighten us.

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:51 pm**

Herd immunity works. Unfortunately in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

These are not my words , these are not my words... these are not my words.

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:52 pm**

pants on fire!

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:39 am**

Ted. wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:52 pm

pants on fire!

This!! Why does any one, sane or otherwise, engage with someone so blinkered by his own prejudice.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:57 am**

Just to lighten the mood - love Jeff Dunham and Achmed

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:13 am**

I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:28 am**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:51 pm
Herd immunity works. Unfortunately in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

These are not my words , these are not my words... these are not my words.

The shameless irony of this post.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:29 am**

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:13 am I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

You’re granting him too much intelligence. He’s doing nothing other than being contrarian and anyone with any sense has him on ignore. It’s utterly predictable. He’ll quote this with some snide point trying to provoke but won’t get an answer because I ignore him.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:42 am**

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:29 am
MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:13 am I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.
You’re granting him too much intelligence. He’s doing nothing other than being contrarian and anyone with any sense has him on ignore. It’s utterly predictable. He’ll quote this with some snide point trying to provoke but won’t get an answer because I ignore him.

Bimbo may have the (ahem) occasional contrarian moment but he posts frequently enough for me to become accustomed to his rather abbreviated style.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:38 am**

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:29 am
MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:13 am I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.
You’re granting him too much intelligence. He’s doing nothing other than being contrarian and anyone with any sense has him on ignore. It’s utterly predictable. He’ll quote this with some snide point trying to provoke but won’t get an answer because I ignore him.

It really is a more enjoyable experience.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:29 am**

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:13 am I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

Frankly the whole dispute boils down to your own definition of a 'large percentage.'

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:42 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:29 am
MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:13 am I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.
Frankly the whole dispute boils down to your own definition of a 'large percentage.'

10%? 15% maybe?

Personally I'd rather not have to even contemplate losing my ability to walk up a flight of stairs without having to rest afterwards. I know two fit 50-something women in Cape Town in exactly that state after contracting Covid in May & June.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:42 pm**

Quite frankly the who mentioned “killing” being in question even post the full quote and response being repeated demonstrates just how warped some people actually are when it comes to my post.

That Sandstorm is now weakling away with 10-15% being “large” shows he doesn’t understand the issue at all.

If he thinks 10-15% of infections are becoming “long covid” then it demonstrates absolutely no understanding of basic stats or the scale of the actual virus and it’s dangers.

This is common place on here and why it’s worth posting to correct those views.

It also clear that the use of single experience examples to “prove”something is now how people are wired. It’s terrifyingly stupid.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:49 pm**

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2020-03-26

The estimate is 500,000 people have the virus in the last week of November. This would mean 50-75,000 cases of “long covid” , the week is falling cases from October. So by estimate of some 200,000 cases of long covid are now happening from October.

Does anyone really think 200,000 cases a month of long covid are actually happening in the UK. ?

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:56 pm**

For the record it kills about 5% of the over 80’s that are Infected. A large % if compared to the common cold. But still has a 95% survival rate.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:43 pm**

Covid is now the leading cause of death in young adults in many parts of the USA.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:03 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:43 pm Covid is now the leading cause of death in young adults in many parts of the USA.

The statistics as measured don’t show that, her extrapolation may be correct, however the amount of “recorded” Corona deaths is nothing like the excess recorded.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:17 pm**

Oxford AZ Vaccine confirmed as "safe and effective" according to peer review published in the Lancet.

Dosage is still TBC, confused by the fact that no-one over 50 got the half-dose/full-dose mistake - and the size of that group was around half that of a normal Phase III trial vs the full trial which was nearly 10x the size.

I suspect that it will receive authorisation based on the half dose/full dose for the lower risk groups, with a further evaluation once the US trial is complete mid to end January - which would rather neatly align to the quantity of doses available for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being allocated to the high risk groups

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:17 pm**

Oxford vaccine has now passed safety trials.

Looks like tis the easiest to store and transport so a real boost.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxf ... s-12155304

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:40 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:17 pm Oxford vaccine has now passed safety trials.

Looks like tis the easiest to store and transport so a real boost.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxf ... s-12155304

It's the real game changer
Hopefully Distribution in new year.....

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:20 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:42 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:29 am
MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:13 am I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.
Frankly the whole dispute boils down to your own definition of a 'large percentage.'
10%? 15% maybe?

Personally I'd rather not have to even contemplate losing my ability to walk up a flight of stairs without having to rest afterwards. I know two fit 50-something women in Cape Town in exactly that state after contracting Covid in May & June.

a case in point mine would be 25-35%

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:21 pm**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:40 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:17 pm Oxford vaccine has now passed safety trials.

Looks like tis the easiest to store and transport so a real boost.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxf ... s-12155304
It's the real game changer
Hopefully Distribution in new year.....

if they get the 1/2 dose followed by a full dose regulated

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:59 pm**

As soon as the AZ vaccine is approved a new trial will be starting mixing the vaccines - one dose of one and one of the other - to assess whether that provides better levels of immunity

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:32 pm**

And as a slightly unrelated but still very interesting development - a universal, long lasting, flu vaccine has just completed Phase I trials. That's a game changer

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:43 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:32 pm And as a slightly unrelated but still very interesting development - a universal, long lasting, flu vaccine has just completed Phase I trials. That's a game changer

Yeah, saw the news on that. Presumably targeting an extremely stable part of the virus (I did read about which bit it targets, but can't remember).

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:14 pm**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:57 am Just to lighten the mood - love Jeff Dunham and Achmed

I’m surprised that he’s still allowed to get away with that. I’d have thought the twitterati would have “cancelled” him by now.

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:26 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:43 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:32 pm And as a slightly unrelated but still very interesting development - a universal, long lasting, flu vaccine has just completed Phase I trials. That's a game changer
Yeah, saw the news on that. Presumably targeting an extremely stable part of the virus (I did read about which bit it targets, but can't remember).

I think so, and something that's only possible with modern vaccine development techniques.

Tge comparison to Covid vaccine development is stark though - they've been hanging around for years for funding

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:41 pm**

What the hell is happening in Wales

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:30 pm**

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:41 pm

What the hell is happening in Wales

Transmission via sheep

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:44 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:30 pm
Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:41 pm

What the hell is happening in Wales
Transmission via sheep

Ahh , That would explain the numbers in Aberdeen & shire

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:54 pm**

Welsh pubs don’t sell booze at present.

“Let’s all meet at Aled’s place for a few jars, boyos “

Posted: **Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:03 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:32 pm And as a slightly unrelated but still very interesting development - a universal, long lasting, flu vaccine has just completed Phase I trials. That's a game changer

"But it's only the Flu......................."

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:54 am**

#DailyCovidUpdate | 8th December 2020

- Cases: +12,282
- Deaths (28-day): +616

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:06 am**

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:20 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:42 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:29 am

Frankly the whole dispute boils down to your own definition of a 'large percentage.'
10%? 15% maybe?

Personally I'd rather not have to even contemplate losing my ability to walk up a flight of stairs without having to rest afterwards. I know two fit 50-something women in Cape Town in exactly that state after contracting Covid in May & June.
a case in point mine would be 25-35%

The real figure is under 1%.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:26 am**

There's a distinct Anti-Welsh theme to the page of this thread. Tut tut

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:32 am**

USA has given up. Nearly 3,000 dead yesterday, they're exceeding the first wave, and there's no end in sight

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:34 am**

People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:37 am**

I should have said history of "significant" allergic reactions

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:38 am**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:34 am People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

That should have been in the Pfizer data and part of their recommendations on administering this vaccine

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